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The Channel 22 Blues

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TheOriginalLarry

Since the news of the WB and UPN networks merging into The C-W (which will grace KSTW-11, 22 will lose all network affiliation) came out, I've pondered what Channel 22's possible changes will be come September...

Will there be new call letters? A return to KTZZ-TV?

More syndicated, foreign or paid programs?

Will Channel 22 become Telemundo or Univision?

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The only thing that will happen to 22 is return the station to being a independent. Tribune will never make it a Spanish-language outlet as long as they're running the show.

If Univision or Telemundo comes to The Puget Sound they might go after the already on the air 33, 45 or 51.
 
> The only thing that will happen to 22 is return the station
> to being a independent. Tribune will never make it a
> Spanish-language outlet as long as they're running the show.
>
>
> If Univision or Telemundo comes to The Puget Sound they
> might go after the already on the air 33, 45 or 51.
>
My money says you should brush up on your spanish. ALL advertisers nationwide are increasing their budget for advertising that targets hispanics, the big nets are looking at spanish language programs, or programs based on popular hispanic programs...it'll happen.
 
Telemundo 22?

> > The only thing that will happen to 22 is return the
> station
> > to being a independent. Tribune will never make it a
> > Spanish-language outlet as long as they're running the
> show.
> >
> >
> > If Univision or Telemundo comes to The Puget Sound they
> > might go after the already on the air 33, 45 or 51.
> >
> My money says you should brush up on your spanish. ALL
> advertisers nationwide are increasing their budget for
> advertising that targets hispanics, the big nets are looking
> at spanish language programs, or programs based on popular
> hispanic programs...it'll happen.

I actually agree with Robojock....my God. Is it a symptom? Does this look infected?

But seriously, you don't have to live in Skagit County to appreciate the numbers of Spanish speaking people in the Northwest in 2006. It's a market force to be reckoned with. Ch. 22 has a BIG 5,000,000 watt signal and a powerful presence on cable and satellite TV systems (something 33, 45 and 51 do not have on many of the smaller cable operations in the Puget Sound. Telemundo, a network not carried by Comcast could fit perfectly.....
>
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Re: Telemundo 22?

> I actually agree with Robojock....my God. Is it a symptom?
> Does this look infected?
>
> But seriously, you don't have to live in Skagit County to
> appreciate the numbers of Spanish speaking people in the
> Northwest in 2006. It's a market force to be reckoned with.
> Ch. 22 has a BIG 5,000,000 watt signal and a powerful
> presence on cable and satellite TV systems (something 33, 45
> and 51 do not have on many of the smaller cable operations
> in the Puget Sound. Telemundo, a network not carried by
> Comcast could fit perfectly.....

But I doubt it if NBC/Universal is looking for a station in the Puget Sound area to put Telemundo on. They can secure an affiliation deal but like I said Tribune will keep KTWB-22 as a regular independent. And with Univision on the selling block the only place they'll remain on is Comcast channel 98 on your cable dial.
 
Re: Telemundo 22?

> Ch. 22 has a BIG 5,000,000 watt signal

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Re: Telemundo 22?

> > I actually agree with Robojock....my God. Is it a symptom?
>
> > Does this look infected?
> >
> > But seriously, you don't have to live in Skagit County to
> > appreciate the numbers of Spanish speaking people in the
> > Northwest in 2006. It's a market force to be reckoned
> with.
> > Ch. 22 has a BIG 5,000,000 watt signal and a powerful
> > presence on cable and satellite TV systems (something 33,
> 45
> > and 51 do not have on many of the smaller cable operations
>
> > in the Puget Sound. Telemundo, a network not carried by
> > Comcast could fit perfectly.....
>
> But I doubt it if NBC/Universal is looking for a station in
> the Puget Sound area to put Telemundo on. They can secure an
> affiliation deal but like I said Tribune will keep KTWB-22
> as a regular independent. And with Univision on the selling
> block the only place they'll remain on is Comcast channel 98
> on your cable dial.
>

The cost of running an independent station is ASTRONOMICALLY higher than running a network affiliation of some kind. Trust me, Tribune will look to some kind of network for KTWB or sell it off.
 
Re: Telemundo 22?

> > Ch. 22 has a BIG 5,000,000 watt signal
>
> Not really???
>
Yup...really..UHF requires a MUCH higher power to cover the same distances that a 100kw VHF on channel 2, 3, 4 or 5 can cover. That power bill's gotta be a bitch.
 
Re: Telemundo 22?

> > > Ch. 22 has a BIG 5,000,000 watt signal
> >
> > Not really???
> >
> Yup...really..UHF requires a MUCH higher power to cover the
> same distances that a 100kw VHF on channel 2, 3, 4 or 5 can
> cover. That power bill's gotta be a bitch.

KOMO and KING-TV, in the lower ends of the VHF dial, require 100,000 watts (the maximum for FM generally), KIRO, KCTS, KSTW, KVOS and KCPQ, in the higher end of VHF have something like 316,000 watts. (I don't have exact power outputs on me, check http://members.shaw.ca/nwbroadcasters/tvpage.htm for those.) UHF, in the 512 MHz and up range need a lot more power and an old coat hanger or something like it for antennae...)
>
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UHF Power Bills not so bad, really.

> > > > Ch. 22 has a BIG 5,000,000 watt signal
> > >
> > > Not really???
> > >
> > Yup...really..UHF requires a MUCH higher power to cover
> the
> > same distances that a 100kw VHF on channel 2, 3, 4 or 5
> can
> > cover. That power bill's gotta be a bitch.
>
> KOMO and KING-TV, in the lower ends of the VHF dial, require
> 100,000 watts (the maximum for FM generally), KIRO, KCTS,
> KSTW, KVOS and KCPQ, in the higher end of VHF have something
> like 316,000 watts. (I don't have exact power outputs on me,
> check http://members.shaw.ca/nwbroadcasters/tvpage.htm for
> those.) UHF, in the 512 MHz and up range need a lot more
> power and an old coat hanger or something like it for
> antennae...)
> >
>
One advantage of the short wavelengths on UHF is that you can buld a higher gain gain antenna in the same space taken by a VHF antenna. For example, KSTW's Digital channel is currently 850kW. But they only use a 33kW transmitter to feed the high gain antenna on Capitol Hill. Not much more power than they currently use to put out 316kW on Channel 11.

So power bill to power bill, I'd much rather run a UHF TV transmitter than a 50kw AM transmitter. Probably a better dollar return on your kilowatt hours too.

Let's face it, cable TV is the great equalizer. With 70% of homes on cable and another 12% or so on Satellite, you really only need a good over the air signal to reach people who can't afford cable or satellite.

That's especially important now that most stations have direct feeds to their local cable company headends and Dish Net. Over the air TV transmission is almost becoming an unnecessary expense for most stations. Except for the fact that the only way to get mandatory carriage on cable and satellite is to HAVE an FCC approved over-the-air signal.


-Power Dick
 
Re: UHF Power Bills not so bad, really.

> Let's face it, cable TV is the great equalizer. With 70% of
> homes on cable and another 12% or so on Satellite, you
> really only need a good over the air signal to reach people
> who can't afford cable or satellite.
>
> That's especially important now that most stations have
> direct feeds to their local cable company headends and Dish
> Net. Over the air TV transmission is almost becoming an
> unnecessary expense for most stations. Except for the fact
> that the only way to get mandatory carriage on cable and
> satellite is to HAVE an FCC approved over-the-air signal.


Interesting parallel can be drawn to operating costs of satellite radio, I would think. Not much expense in way of power to run sticks all over the country; but you have that enormous initial investment of tossing a rock into space and hoping it stays in geo-sync orbit long enough to get the ROI. Meanwhile, stations all over the country which are also cranking out "Best of Led Zeppelin" on a 13-minute rotation are paying 100kw (or a 1/3 of that, I guess) for the same privilege.
 
Re: Telemundo 22?

> > I actually agree with Robojock....my God. Is it a symptom?
>
> > Does this look infected?
> >
> > But seriously, you don't have to live in Skagit County to
> > appreciate the numbers of Spanish speaking people in the
> > Northwest in 2006. It's a market force to be reckoned
> with.
> > Ch. 22 has a BIG 5,000,000 watt signal and a powerful
> > presence on cable and satellite TV systems (something 33,
> 45
> > and 51 do not have on many of the smaller cable operations
>
> > in the Puget Sound. Telemundo, a network not carried by
> > Comcast could fit perfectly.....
>
> But I doubt it if NBC/Universal is looking for a station in
> the Puget Sound area to put Telemundo on. They can secure an
> affiliation deal but like I said Tribune will keep KTWB-22
> as a regular independent. And with Univision on the selling
> block the only place they'll remain on is Comcast channel 98
> on your cable dial.

Not on Comcast in Skagit & Whatcom Counties. There is no Ch. 98. No Telemundo unless you want to order it as part of an Espanol package on digital cable with MTV Latin, CNN Espanol, Spanish versions of Disney, Showtime, HBO, etc.

I had it for a while until my wife made me take it off (as well as those a'la carte Asian TV channels) because she complained we never watched these channels enough to justify paying for them month after month.


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