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The Club Scene

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BJSteigner

Did you notice that the club scene is changing from a turntable to electronics? Now I know why the club scene is dead. Technology is making it too easy for anyone to DJ. HOW ABOUT BRINGING BACK THE TURNTABLES ONLY!!!

SAVE THE VINYL PRESSES!!!!!
 
not really a discussion that belongs in the production thread... but... being someone who spent a ton of time DJing clubs....let me say this.

vinyl sucks.... sure.. there is the feel, the bass, the blah blah blah....

guys who wax poetic (pun intended ) about vinyl are just like the guys who still stick to analog tape.... they are holding on to a myth. ... the myth is this...

the way we used to do it was better.

the truth is....

it may have been good.... and it may be easier now to do the things that required a HIGH amount of skill to do before.... but, you have a head start on the guys that are doing it the easy way... use your creativity along with the amazing skills, add in the new tools... and you should STILL be light years ahead of the newbies...


if you aren't.... you are antiquated, and need to move on.
 
Remember one thing though... digital is 20 times more likely to go out than analog.
Don't try and argue, it's already been proven. I would rather have back up vinyl than
have to deal with an angry crowd while you switch out another cd player...if indeed you
actually have a backup player. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean it's antiquated.
And after 20 years of spinning I DO know what I am talking about, thank you very much.
Keep in mind, most stations are controlled environments where equipment is not subjected to the rigors of a club. Clubs are notorious for smoke and abuse. Vinyl is still your friend.
The rant is now done.
Thank you for time,
The Spindoctor
 
fresnel said:
guys who wax poetic (pun intended ) about vinyl are just like the guys who still stick to analog tape.... they are holding on to a myth. ... the myth is this...

the way we used to do it was better.
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OK, that's the myth. Now here's the reality: Analogue sounds better. Period. It might be easier to run CDs (or a laptop) in a club, but analogue sounds better. It has nothing to do with how we used to do it or how we do it now. Analogue sounds better. Period.
 
RadioMoo said:
fresnel said:
guys who wax poetic (pun intended ) about vinyl are just like the guys who still stick to analog tape.... they are holding on to a myth. ... the myth is this...

the way we used to do it was better.
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OK, that's the myth. Now here's the reality: Analogue sounds better. Period. It might be easier to run CDs (or a laptop) in a club, but analogue sounds better. It has nothing to do with how we used to do it or how we do it now. Analogue sounds better. Period.
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You show me one club goer who can tell the difference between an analog or digital source, going through a crappy mackie mixer and beat up speakers, while the person is drunk. In other words, the sound difference between analog and digital doesn't matter at all for club work, the only person that might be able to tell the difference is the person spinning, and again who cares. Your there to just spin tunes so people move their feet. So then why use analog, digital sounds great, its easier to set up and take down, easier to catalog, its just easier. It makes more sense

Its like using microphones. A Nuemann TLM-103 is going to sound better then an SM-58, but no one at the concert is going to notice the difference because of all the noise anyway...so why bother. save money.
 
The analog vs. digital debate has been going on for a long time, and it's one of the most ridiculous discussions ever. The fact is, with digital, what goes in is what comes out. Make a good digital recording of an analog source and it will sound exactly like the source. Analog is fine for solo instruments, or if you're deaf. But if you're concerned at all about dynamic range and/or frequency response, nothing beats a 24/192 recording.
 
Emmett said:
The fact is, with digital, what goes in is what comes out. Make a good digital recording of an analog source and it will sound exactly like the source.
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It's not a fact, it's a carryover from the "CDs sound just like the master tape" hype of the 80s. Why do so many people still track and mix to tape if digital is so wonderful?

But if you're concerned at all about dynamic range and/or frequency response, nothing beats a 24/192 recording.
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Dynamic range - yes; frequency response - no difference. BTW, most all-digital records are done at 24/96; they sound "cleaner" than tape, but they still lack depth and resolution.

Analogue is better. Period.
 
without a doubt, when people say that digital sounds just like analog, they are wrong. i won't get into the "math" of it all, but it will always be impossible for digital to sound exactly like analog. the problem is digital is a representation of the wave form and analog IS the waveform, thats the difference. (If anyone would like a more detailed explination on how this process works feel free to email me at [email protected], i love talking about this stuff )

When I track bands, I always track drums, bass and if i can vocals to tape. i love the warm/natural sound it gives. but I do that because I am putting the music onto a cd in hopes that someone will buy it and sit down with their nice stereo and listen to it and appreciate the great sounds they are hearing.

This post however was referring to using analog instead of digital when it comes to spinning music at a club. My point is that in a club atmosphere, no one can tell the different between analog and digital...and no ones cares, you go to a club cuz you want to get drunk and move your feet, plain and simple. so people use digital cuz its easier to set up, sometimes cost much less, easier to catalog music and easier to operate, so you might as well use digital.
 
another_radio_dude said:
When I track bands, I always track drums, bass and if i can vocals to tape. i love the warm/natural sound it gives. but I do that because I am putting the music onto a cd in hopes that someone will buy it and sit down with their nice stereo and listen to it and appreciate the great sounds they are hearing.
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Exactly my point. The same goes for mixing to tape. If digital was not capable of representing analog sound, what would be the point of mixng to tape, or tracking instruments with tape? It's just going to be transferred to a digital medium, right?

If you take a piece of vinyl, send it through good AD/DA converters and record it digitally, the digital recording will sound identical to the source. So, relating that to the original post, I know a guy who buys vinyl and transfers to CD for ease-of-use when he DJs. He still prefers vinyl, and will use it when he can...Not because it sounds better in a club, but just because there's something special about pulling a giant record out of a sleeve and dropping it on the platter. And that is something I can't argue with. ;)
 
Exactly my point. The same goes for mixing to tape. If digital was not capable of representing analog sound, what would be the point of mixng to tape, or tracking instruments with tape? It's just going to be transferred to a digital medium, right?

If you take a piece of vinyl, send it through good AD/DA converters and record it digitally, the digital recording will sound identical to the source. So, relating that to the original post, I know a guy who buys vinyl and transfers to CD for ease-of-use when he DJs. He still prefers vinyl, and will use it when he can...Not because it sounds better in a club, but just because there's something special about pulling a giant record out of a sleeve and dropping it on the platter. And that is something I can't argue with. ;)
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I will say that a vinyl record transferred directly, in real time on a stand alone burner (not dumped to a DAW and burned in the computer), sounds better than a store-bought CD of the same title (apart from the ridiculous abuse of peak limiting on the CD, but that's another thread), but it does not sound identical.
 
holy wow batman...


the analog digital debate... guys... its over... digital won. . . its easier to use and give you more flexibility.

yes.... I do know what high end gear is... have a ton of it sitting in front of me in my home studio.

but as was pointed out... in a club... nobody can tell... nor do they care...

use the tools that are at your disposal. . .



and yes... I have spent 17 years working in clubs, doing festivals,f.o.h... engineering/mixing in recording studios .... all sorts of other parties and whatnots....
 
fresnel said:
holy wow batman...


the analog digital debate... guys... its over... digital won. . . its easier to use and give you more flexibility.
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Digital editing is infinitely easier and more flexible than china markers, razor blades and splicing tape; I do it every day and enjoy the hell out of it, but analogue wins the sonic war which is what matters to me.
 
Back in the day, when we played both CD's and vinyl on the air, I noticed the analog media seemed more alive, like it "breathed" more than the digital. And I was amazed because, trust me, I wanted the digital to sound better! I feel like I went through the same thing when we got out first FM Optimod. It was technically cleaner, technically superior, but it missed the "live" feel of the old school processing.
 
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