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The Cowboys will be on KFNC

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/031106dnspohotair.de35dc4.html

Supposedly there had been a handshake agreement between Jerry Jones and Bob McNair that their teams radio broadcasts would be kept out of each other's home market. I guess that deal has gone by the wayside, if it ever really existed.

Of course, the Cowboys broadcasts were easily available in Houston from KLVI.

Will there now be a DFW area station carrying the Texans broadcasts?
 
Sirius, baby! All NFL, all the time!
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>
>
> Supposedly there had been a handshake agreement between
> Jerry Jones and Bob McNair that their teams radio broadcasts
> would be kept out of each other's home market. I guess that
> deal has gone by the wayside, if it ever really existed.
>
> Of course, the Cowboys broadcasts were easily available in
> Houston from KLVI.
>
> Will there now be a DFW area station carrying the Texans
> broadcasts?
>
 
The "handshake agreement" was PR spin. KPRC wanted to continue with the Cowboys' broadcasts, but Infinity didn't want to essentially compete with itself since it also controlled rights to the Texans' broadcasts (especially when a CC station was involved).

The Texans' games aren't even on TV in DFW, let alone radio, and that is unlikely to change. The Oilers were never on radio there either, even when they were winning.
 
I've heard the reason was that Bob McNair told several local stations that if they EVER wanted a chance to b-cast Texan games in the future that they would never b-cast a Cowboy game. If that's true, I applaud KNFC's rejection of McNair's strongarming.

Texans games in Dallas??? Why?? One, there are no Texan fans in Dallas and two, if Dallas fans want to listen to a loser, they have the Rangers.



http://www.dallasnews.com/> sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/031106dnspohotair.de35dc4.html
>
>
> Supposedly there had been a handshake agreement between
> Jerry Jones and Bob McNair that their teams radio broadcasts
> would be kept out of each other's home market. I guess that
> deal has gone by the wayside, if it ever really existed.
>
> Of course, the Cowboys broadcasts were easily available in
> Houston from KLVI.
>
> Will there now be a DFW area station carrying the Texans
> broadcasts?
>
 
> The Texans' games aren't even on TV in DFW, let alone radio,
> and that is unlikely to change.

CBS' KTVT has run quite a few of the games the past four years. Biggest obstacles to more games being carried are the Texans' crappy record, as well has market exclusivity issues with Cowboys home games. If the Texans start winning, you will see more of their games telecast in DFW.

> The Oilers were never on
> radio there either, even when they were winning.

I recall 1310 in DFW having the Oilers at one time. This may have been in the KAAM days.

The Oilers had fairly widespread NBC regional TV coverage in the Luv Ya Blue days, but after Bum Phillips was fired and the team went down the drain, most NBC afflils in this part of the country opted for "best available game."
 
> I've heard the reason was that Bob McNair told several local
> stations that if they EVER wanted a chance to b-cast Texan
> games in the future that they would never b-cast a Cowboy
> game.

Which is a stupid tactic, if true. As a businessman McNair should understand that stations should put up the best competition possible. And when negotiations for a fresh contract come up, it's all about the future and maximizing revenue.

> Texans games in Dallas??? Why?? One, there are no Texan
> fans in Dallas

The Texans are going to have to win, win consistently, and win big for their regional fan base to grow, while hoping that the Cowboys go through a long stretch of mediocrity.

Spurring interest in the Texans is perhaps the key argument from those wanting Vince Young to be the #1 pick--it will draw attention away from the Cowboys, especially among the legions of UT fans.

> and two, if Dallas fans want to listen to a loser, they have the Rangers.

Unfortunately there are still more Rangers fans in the state than Astros fans, from what I can tell. Much if not most of the state has a pretty negative image of anything Houston...a situation that goes back decades.
 
You are all forgetting something here. The Texans have the market exclusively when their games are being played. If the two teams are playing at the same time then the home market team has exclusivity - so not all Dallas games will make it into the Houston market.




> > I've heard the reason was that Bob McNair told several
> local
> > stations that if they EVER wanted a chance to b-cast Texan
>
> > games in the future that they would never b-cast a Cowboy
> > game.
>
> Which is a stupid tactic, if true. As a businessman McNair
> should understand that stations should put up the best
> competition possible. And when negotiations for a fresh
> contract come up, it's all about the future and maximizing
> revenue.
>
> > Texans games in Dallas??? Why?? One, there are no Texan
> > fans in Dallas
>
> The Texans are going to have to win, win consistently, and
> win big for their regional fan base to grow, while hoping
> that the Cowboys go through a long stretch of mediocrity.
>
> Spurring interest in the Texans is perhaps the key argument
> from those wanting Vince Young to be the #1 pick--it will
> draw attention away from the Cowboys, especially among the
> legions of UT fans.
>
> > and two, if Dallas fans want to listen to a loser, they
> have the Rangers.
>
> Unfortunately there are still more Rangers fans in the state
> than Astros fans, from what I can tell. Much if not most of
> the state has a pretty negative image of anything
> Houston...a situation that goes back decades.
>
 
> > I've heard the reason was that Bob McNair told several
> local
> > stations that if they EVER wanted a chance to b-cast Texan
>
> > games in the future that they would never b-cast a Cowboy
> > game.
>
> Which is a stupid tactic, if true. As a businessman McNair
> should understand that stations should put up the best
> competition possible. And when negotiations for a fresh
> contract come up, it's all about the future and maximizing
> revenue.
>
> > Texans games in Dallas??? Why?? One, there are no Texan
> > fans in Dallas
>
> The Texans are going to have to win, win consistently, and
> win big for their regional fan base to grow, while hoping
> that the Cowboys go through a long stretch of mediocrity.
>
> Spurring interest in the Texans is perhaps the key argument
> from those wanting Vince Young to be the #1 pick--it will
> draw attention away from the Cowboys, especially among the
> legions of UT fans.
>
> > and two, if Dallas fans want to listen to a loser, they
> have the Rangers.
>
> Unfortunately there are still more Rangers fans in the state
> than Astros fans, from what I can tell. Much if not most of
> the state has a pretty negative image of anything
> Houston...a situation that goes back decades.

Where it is true there are far more Cowboy fans statewide than past Oiler and current Texan fans, you are mistaken when it comes to baseball. The Astros have a far wider reach state and region wide than the Rangers. Austin, San Antonio, El Paso and the Rio Grand Valley markets carry Astros broadcasts and fairly large fan bases. Those same outer state markets carry Cowboys and large Cowboy fan bases. The Astros are steeper in tradition, have minor league teams throughout Texas and have been in the post season most of the last 10 years, not to mention last year's World Series. The Astros also have a wider reach through Louisiana, Mississippi and Arkansas believe it or not. The Rangers only wish they had half of the Astros fan base. The Astrodome's presence from the early and mid 60's when Dallas had no baseball established the Astros as this state's baseball team and it has remained that way for the past 4 and half decades.
>
 
> You are all forgetting something here. The Texans have the
> market exclusively when their games are being played. If
> the two teams are playing at the same time then the home
> market team has exclusivity - so not all Dallas games will
> make it into the Houston market.

That applies to TV, not radio. KBME carried all the Saints games this past year, including those going head-to-head with the Texans.
 
Not true. Someone is asleep at the wheel in the Texans front office and with CBS Radio Houston. It never happens here in the Northeast because the market managers will not allow it. With CBS Radio owning the rights to the Giants, Eagles and Pats with overlapping markets a good market manager who is paying millions a season will fight for the exclusivity they paid for.

Other games run in New England, but in the Boston market, the Pats flagship will not allow other games on when the Pats are on the field. Same in New York and in Philly.

In fact, CBS Radio has such a history of protecting their rights that they will not even let the NFL put their broadcasts on the Web. If CBS Radio Houston has allowed other teams broadcasts in the market then they have no one to blame but themselves. But given the way that company is run these days, I'm not suprised.

> > You are all forgetting something here. The Texans have
> the
> > market exclusively when their games are being played. If
> > the two teams are playing at the same time then the home
> > market team has exclusivity - so not all Dallas games will
>
> > make it into the Houston market.
>
> That applies to TV, not radio. KBME carried all the Saints
> games this past year, including those going head-to-head
> with the Texans.
>
 
Much if not most
> of
> > the state has a pretty negative image of anything
> > Houston...a situation that goes back decades.

Unfortunately, Houston and Dallas have a historical spat that has never been resolved. Sports has been at the center of it for a long time. Dallas fans want to believe they have the better teams and when one of our teams does well they call us "bandwagoners, instead of real fans."
And to some extent, there are a lot of those in Houston. But Dallas has a lot of cling-on fans too. You think Mavericks games have always sold out? Not a chance.
The Cowboys and the Spurs have uncommonly loyal fanbases. Their games consistently either sell out or come close to it, even when they're not so hot.
Obviously, SA has been doing exceptionally well since adding Tim Duncan in 1997, but years before that and years before the Admiral's heyday. SA fans were going to games in droves. The Spurs are a fixture in San Antonio.
The Astros aren't lagging far behind, but I wouldn't say we're as crazy or obsessive as Red Sox fans.
The Rangers and the Texans, no matter how you spin it, just don't have the historical support.
The Texans are bran new and excitement over the developing franchise has caused all the games to sell out, but give it 2 more years and then we'll see how attendance is.
Brash loyalty is ALWAYS sparked by a winning team. The Yankees? Red Sox?
Yeah, they won a ****ing lot of games when they were in their infancies and they've been damn good ever since.


> Where it is true there are far more Cowboy fans statewide
> than past Oiler and current Texan fans, you are mistaken
> when it comes to baseball. The Astros have a far wider
> reach state and region wide than the Rangers. Austin, San
> Antonio, El Paso and the Rio Grand Valley markets carry
> Astros broadcasts and fairly large fan bases. Those same
> outer state markets carry Cowboys and large Cowboy fan
> bases. The Astros are steeper in tradition, have minor
> league teams throughout Texas and have been in the post
> season most of the last 10 years, not to mention last year's
> World Series. The Astros also have a wider reach through
> Louisiana, Mississippi and Arkansas believe it or not. The
> Rangers only wish they had half of the Astros fan base. The
> Astrodome's presence from the early and mid 60's when Dallas
> had no baseball established the Astros as this state's
> baseball team and it has remained that way for the past 4
> and half decades.
> >
>

The Astros have traditionally been the favored team in Texas. As you mentioned, we have the Gulf Coast region (including New Orleans) without baseball teams, all of which root for the Stros'.
If the Astros can pull of a world series victory, then I think we could potentially get the kind of loyal fanbase that Boston and NY have. I don't think people will ever look at Houston and say "wow, that's a great baseball city."
However, I think the Astros are winning enough to spark even more long-term interest.
As I mentioned earlier, that is what rocketed the Yankees and Red Sox to selling out every game.

Here's the ranking of sports teams as I see it. Dallas pretty well owns two sports in the state.
Basketball: San Antonio Spurs
Baseball: Houston Astros
Football: Dallas Cowboys
Hockey: Dallas Stars
 
Re: The Cowboys will be on IN BEAUMONT

> Couldn't this not be a problem because KFNC is a rimshot?
>
why is this a problem? there are cowboy fans in beaumont.
 
> Unfortunately, Houston and Dallas have a historical spat
> that has never been resolved.

We (and I say we as someone who was born in North Texas) have never had a problem with Houston. It's Houston who's always been jealous of us.

Dallas fans want to believe they have
> the better teams

Outside of baseball, we do.

But
> Dallas has a lot of cling-on fans too. You think Mavericks
> games have always sold out? Not a chance.

That's the sitaution in every city. No one supports a loser.

> The Rangers and the Texans, no matter how you spin it, just
> don't have the historical support.

The Rangers never *really* took a foothold in North Texas until Nolan Ryan was signed. There have always been a lot of Astros fans in DFW, and there still are.

> Here's the ranking of sports teams as I see it. Dallas
> pretty well owns two sports in the state.
> Hockey: Dallas Stars

Well, yeah. Only competition is a handful of minor league teams. And the Aeros get virtually no media attention in Houston.
 
Yes, true. What youse guys do in the NE doesn't apply here.
Before the Texans came around and for years before the Oilers headed to Hickville, the Cowboys were broadcast on local radio. Maybe that's because both the Cowboys and Texans/Oilers run their own networks and don't rely on CBS Radio.

> Not true. Someone is asleep at the wheel in the Texans
> front office and with CBS Radio Houston. It never happens
> here in the Northeast because the market managers will not
> allow it. With CBS Radio owning the rights to the Giants,
> Eagles and Pats with overlapping markets a good market
> manager who is paying millions a season will fight for the
> exclusivity they paid for.
>
> Other games run in New England, but in the Boston market,
> the Pats flagship will not allow other games on when the
> Pats are on the field. Same in New York and in Philly.
>
> In fact, CBS Radio has such a history of protecting their
> rights that they will not even let the NFL put their
> broadcasts on the Web. If CBS Radio Houston has allowed
> other teams broadcasts in the market then they have no one
> to blame but themselves. But given the way that company is
> run these days, I'm not suprised.
>
> > > You are all forgetting something here. The Texans have
> > the
> > > market exclusively when their games are being played.
> If
> > > the two teams are playing at the same time then the home
>
> > > market team has exclusivity - so not all Dallas games
> will
> >
> > > make it into the Houston market.
> >
> > That applies to TV, not radio. KBME carried all the Saints
>
> > games this past year, including those going head-to-head
> > with the Texans.
> >
>
 
Re: I Ain't A Done Deal Yet!

Don't know if y'all caught KC on ESPN 790 yesterday afternoon (and judging by the ratings, MANY of you didn't!), but according to KC, CC is still in negotiations with the COWBOYS (according to KC it's up to Jerry Jones to decide), so it ain't over 'til it's over!

He also did a little Infinity bashing -- o.k., a LOT -- but again, if you're listening to the other sports station in town, you wouldn't know now, would you?

Let the battle begin!
 
Re: The Cowboys will be on IN BEAUMONT

Ah, my brevity gets me in trouble again. I meant that it isn't any more of a problem for the Texans in Houston than having the Cowboys on BMTs AM last season
 
Re: The Cowboys will be on IN BEAUMONT

> Ah, my brevity gets me in trouble again. I meant that it
> isn't any more of a problem for the Texans in Houston than
> having the Cowboys on BMTs AM last season
>
Thinking about this - can KFNC and KLVI carry the Cowboys games? Or will KLVI have to drop them since KFNC is a "Beaumont" station?
 
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