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The Day The Music Died

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According to Billboard the first Surf song (Beach Boys' Surfin' Safari) hit the 1961 charts as #100.

Surf music took off the next year - 1963.

Dick Dale's Let's Go Trippin' hit #60 on the Billboard chart in 1961, and was #4 in Los Angeles. It was released in September 1961, preceding the Beach Boys' Surfin' by two months. Surfin' Safari was released, with 409 on the B side, in June 1962, and peaked at #14.
 
So that would appear to include 1961, right?

I remember having a conversation with a number of friends during the summer of 1960 and we all seemed to agree that the previous year had been awful for pop (T-40) music. I don't remember that continuing into the following year.

But the other thing to consider is it may have been "the doldrums" for teenage white music on pop radio, but it was a boom period for black music that became influential for the second coming of rock & roll in the later 60s. Some of the dirtiest music one could imagine, and Top 40 radio was afraid of it. But it got airplay after 11PM by DJs in Cleveland and Memphis. It was also a boom period for country music. This was the era of Patsy Cline, Buck Owens, and Johnny Cash. No doldrums there. The end of the country boom was when The Beatles arrived, and Chet Atkins sought to attract younger listeners with "countrypolitan." So nothing stands still. There still was exciting music to be found if you looked for it.

My comments pertain only to T-40 music as I wasn't a Country music fan at all back then (although Chet Atkins was a favorite whom I saw in person in Japan in '65). Also, I lived in AZ and CA during that time. The only "Eastern" music I was aware of was on shows like "American Bandstand" which didn't play controversial music of any kind.
 
I lived in AZ and CA during that time.


You've put this thread in "National Radio." That means more than just where you grew up. There was a lot of music that was popular outside of your personal social circle.

If you want to talk about surf music, you can't ignore The Ventures, who had a major national hit with Walk Don't Run in 1960. If white music in Arizona was boring, Ray Charles released "What'd I Say" during this time. Just because YOU were living in the doldrums doesn't mean everyone else was.
 
Dick Dale's Let's Go Trippin' hit #60 on the Billboard chart in 1961, and was #4 in Los Angeles. It was released in September 1961, preceding the Beach Boys' Surfin' by two months. Surfin' Safari was released, with 409 on the B side, in June 1962, and peaked at #14.

I was using http://www.bobborst.com/popculture/top-100-songs-of-the-year/?year=1961 as my reference but it must be different than yours. I also checked my KTKT Hooper & Pulse listings for 1961 and didn't see any Surf songs there.
 
You've put this thread in "National Radio." That means more than just where you grew up. There was a lot of music that was popular outside of your personal social circle.

Of course. But I am not telepathic and cannot remember what my peers in Memphis or Jasper Junction were dancing to way back then. I did quote Billboard which is as close as I can come.

If you will remember, the original subject was the death of Holly, Richardson and Valens which was a national radio subject and why this post is located here. I didn't change the discussion - only replied to other's posts which, obviously, were sourced from where I was living at the time.

If you want to talk about surf music, you can't ignore The Ventures, who had a major national hit with Walk Don't Run in 1960. If white music in Arizona was boring, Ray Charles released "What'd I Say" during this time. Just because YOU were living in the doldrums doesn't mean everyone else was.

IMHO, Walk, Don't Run was not Surf music. It was instrumental and not different than Duane Eddy's Because They're Young or Sandy Nelson's Teen Beat. The Beach Boys really began the Surf phase and some of the Ventures later music fit that description (Pipeline, Wipe Out, etc.).

Not sure Ray Charles' What I Say has anything to do with this conversation about Surf.
 
I also checked my KTKT Hooper & Pulse listings for 1961 and didn't see any Surf songs there.

Hooper and Pulse were radio ratings companies. They never, ever published or tabulated lists of music.
 


Hooper and Pulse were radio ratings companies. They never, ever published or tabulated lists of music.


In the late 50's and early 60's KTKT put out a weekly flyer listing that week's song ratings by Hooper & Pulse. I have a year's worth of those original flyers. If you would like to see a sample please give me a URL and I will be happy to share them with you.
 
They have 27 million users. But go ahead and post a more authoritative source.

How about quoting the population of China? That would be several billion but no more accurate.

How about I just edit the Wikipedia posting to agree with me? Makes about as much sense.

You're losing it A.
 


In the late 50's and early 60's KTKT put out a weekly flyer listing that week's song ratings by Hooper & Pulse. I have a year's worth of those original flyers. If you would like to see a sample please give me a URL and I will be happy to share them with you.

I thought those surveys/rankings were done by the stations themselves, based on local record sales, requests, maybe personal interviews, and the like. And the result was more airplay for #1 than #30. Weren't Hooper and Pulse the forerunners of Arbitron/Nielsen?
 


In the late 50's and early 60's KTKT put out a weekly flyer listing that week's song ratings by Hooper & Pulse. I have a year's worth of those original flyers. If you would like to see a sample please give me a URL and I will be happy to share them with you.

Hooper and Pulse were radio ratings companies, so many stations that were at the top of the ratings would put "Hooper rated #1" or "Pulse rated #1" or something similar on all their published promotional material.

Statements like that were common back when regulations did not require attribution and a statement of limitations.

In the 50's and much of the 60's, Pulse and Hooper and the lesser known Trendex were the dominant forces in local market radio ratings research, with Hooper fading away around 1972 and The Pulse publishing its last survey in September of 1978.

None of those companies published music charts, rankers or lists.

A quick search online of Billboard or Broadcasting magazines from that period will reveal no references to Hooper or Pulse music charts.
 
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