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The Deal With Leibowitz?
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airchic
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Word is he has a huge-paying job with PR/advertizing firm. KFYI could not come close.
(Point of interest...Laurie Cantillo originally hired him when she was with KTAR, by the way...)
Even Bill Heywood and Preston Westmoreland claim the bigger buckaroos they are earning in real estate keeps them from getting lured back in to radio...
(Point of interest...Laurie Cantillo originally hired him when she was with KTAR, by the way...)
Even Bill Heywood and Preston Westmoreland claim the bigger buckaroos they are earning in real estate keeps them from getting lured back in to radio...
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ummmmmmmm
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I know this may be hard to believe but there is life outside of radio. There's much money to be made and the "BS Factor" goes way down. That's worth a ton of coin in my book as well.
ummmmmmmm said:
Well said. There is more talent escaping radio than illegals crossing the border. There are many disillusioned souls counting the days until they can escape the sh*tbox that radio has become. Did that sound bitter?
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MASTER_CONTROL
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i believe leibowitz and maybe sharpe are workin gratis 8)
If a pay increase lures you away from radio, something you should be doing because you love it, then does radio really need you?
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dr.akbar
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KFYI deletes Heidi Fogelsong's last name in her commercials for Coulter...as if we don't know who "Heidi" is 
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ummmmmmmm
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KJCB said:
Radio companies take advantage of the fact that people love the work. It runs in the blood but that shouldn't mean that it's ok to underpay and give absolutely no loyalty to people. Radio people are a commodity. If companies invested in their talent, radio would be in much better shape than it is today. Unfortunately the opposite is happening. Look at HD radio, 2-3 times the stations per market are now, or will soon be available. Are 2-3 times the jobs for talent available? No, and the quality of their product shows it. If things keep going the way they're presently going radio won't need me, you or anybody else on this board. That's why the smartest people in this business are keeping their eyes open and taking advantage of opportunities that give them control of their own futures.
BTW, this isn't just about talent either. Sales people are in the same boat. In a few years (if it's not already available) agencies will be able to log on to a corporate sales site, pick their spots, demos and dayparts and click the purchase button. They'll be able to mp3 the produced spots straight to the production director and boom...buy is placed. This won't replace all sales people but I guarantee there will be far fewer jobs in that field as well.
Bottom line. The only person who's going to cover your a$$ is you. Don't rely on the beancounters to keep you around because you love the work or you're a good person. Their need to increase profits and reduce operating costs will always be the determining factor if you're employed or not.
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airchic
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Cannot confirm Leibo is indeed, still with the PR firm...He subbed for Bruce Jacobs this AM...Though, this could have been a holiday, day off from the firm...???
Ummmmmmmm again I agree, not to sound like I'm kissing up to you or anything. Radio is becoming, actually has already become, a commodity that is bleeding talent at a profuse rate. Intelligent people, students of the medium, see the writing on the wall and understand that the USERS have done nothing but take. This behavior will continue until either the market implodes, which it will or the government steps in and reverses some major mistakes. My mind leans more towards the former.
Nobody has fun in radio anymore. Those that have been around it long enough to "remember" may still have a passion for it, but are no longer enjoying themselves. Look at the evolution of sales in the past decade or how technology that initially made our jobs easier is now eliminating jobs. How about broadcast engineers? Happy? I bet not. GM's...do they still exist? Nah. Now they're market/cluster managers that have MBA's, finance degrees and could give a sh*t about broadcasting.
Those who still romanticize radio just may find themselves out in the cold someday soon. Like Ummmmmmmm said, watch out for #1 or some spreadsheet toting investment banker might just take away your livelihood by surprise. Companies overpaid for stations all across the country and the fragmentation that's taking place is not helping. A downturn in the economy will make it VERY difficult for radio operators to service their debt and radio, like many other industries before it, will suffer the consequences of high debt, cost cutting and lower quality. It is hard to find anyone under 25, males especially, that are regular radio listeners.
***Flame retardant suit on***
Radio companies take advantage of the fact that people love the work. It runs in the blood but that shouldn't mean that it's ok to underpay and give absolutely no loyalty to people. Radio people are a commodity. If companies invested in their talent, radio would be in much better shape than it is today. Unfortunately the opposite is happening. Look at HD radio, 2-3 times the stations per market are now, or will soon be available. Are 2-3 times the jobs for talent available? No, and the quality of their product shows it. If things keep going the way they're presently going radio won't need me, you or anybody else on this board. That's why the smartest people in this business are keeping their eyes open and taking advantage of opportunities that give them control of their own futures.
BTW, this isn't just about talent either. Sales people are in the same boat. In a few years (if it's not already available) agencies will be able to log on to a corporate sales site, pick their spots, demos and dayparts and click the purchase button. They'll be able to mp3 the produced spots straight to the production director and boom...buy is placed. This won't replace all sales people but I guarantee there will be far fewer jobs in that field as well.
Bottom line. The only person who's going to cover your a$$ is you. Don't rely on the beancounters to keep you around because you love the work or you're a good person. Their need to increase profits and reduce operating costs will always be the determining factor if you're employed or not.
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Nobody has fun in radio anymore. Those that have been around it long enough to "remember" may still have a passion for it, but are no longer enjoying themselves. Look at the evolution of sales in the past decade or how technology that initially made our jobs easier is now eliminating jobs. How about broadcast engineers? Happy? I bet not. GM's...do they still exist? Nah. Now they're market/cluster managers that have MBA's, finance degrees and could give a sh*t about broadcasting.
Those who still romanticize radio just may find themselves out in the cold someday soon. Like Ummmmmmmm said, watch out for #1 or some spreadsheet toting investment banker might just take away your livelihood by surprise. Companies overpaid for stations all across the country and the fragmentation that's taking place is not helping. A downturn in the economy will make it VERY difficult for radio operators to service their debt and radio, like many other industries before it, will suffer the consequences of high debt, cost cutting and lower quality. It is hard to find anyone under 25, males especially, that are regular radio listeners.
***Flame retardant suit on***
Radio companies take advantage of the fact that people love the work. It runs in the blood but that shouldn't mean that it's ok to underpay and give absolutely no loyalty to people. Radio people are a commodity. If companies invested in their talent, radio would be in much better shape than it is today. Unfortunately the opposite is happening. Look at HD radio, 2-3 times the stations per market are now, or will soon be available. Are 2-3 times the jobs for talent available? No, and the quality of their product shows it. If things keep going the way they're presently going radio won't need me, you or anybody else on this board. That's why the smartest people in this business are keeping their eyes open and taking advantage of opportunities that give them control of their own futures.
BTW, this isn't just about talent either. Sales people are in the same boat. In a few years (if it's not already available) agencies will be able to log on to a corporate sales site, pick their spots, demos and dayparts and click the purchase button. They'll be able to mp3 the produced spots straight to the production director and boom...buy is placed. This won't replace all sales people but I guarantee there will be far fewer jobs in that field as well.
Bottom line. The only person who's going to cover your a$$ is you. Don't rely on the beancounters to keep you around because you love the work or you're a good person. Their need to increase profits and reduce operating costs will always be the determining factor if you're employed or not.
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Do you guys really think the "beancounters" in other industries care about their employees? If you think it's isolated to just broadcasting, please pass the pipe.
As to HD, the fact is there are too many stations on the band to begin with... that's why you have stations that lose money and/or have no ratings... this idea that some HD-3 subchannel should have a full boat of talent is ridiculous. Subchannels will be what replaces those interesting but superniche channels I pass by scanning through XM: the music of Broadway, Subsaharan music, etc, etc. IMHO, HD is more of a tool to retaliate at other new media than a necessity for 95% of listeners
As to HD, the fact is there are too many stations on the band to begin with... that's why you have stations that lose money and/or have no ratings... this idea that some HD-3 subchannel should have a full boat of talent is ridiculous. Subchannels will be what replaces those interesting but superniche channels I pass by scanning through XM: the music of Broadway, Subsaharan music, etc, etc. IMHO, HD is more of a tool to retaliate at other new media than a necessity for 95% of listeners
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ummmmmmmm
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KJCB said:
I'm sure you're correct about the beancounters not caring in other industries. Radio is all I can speak of because it's the only industry I've been working in since high school. I can tell you this though, the environment and importance of talent (in the corporate world's eyes, not the public's) drastically changed with the era of consolidation.
Now I'm at a point in my life where it's time to take control of the future. Does that mean I'll leave broadcasting? No. I've been very successful at it and like I said before it's in my blood. But I will be open to new opportunities to be in control of my own future instead of having a blind trust in people who will throw you under the bus to save a dollar, increase the bottom line on the budget or to further their own careers.
HD is a retaliation to satellite and internet streams. It's a weak attempt at it though. Broadcasting companies are getting behind HD because it's the only new form of media nobody else can get into. God forbid Wi-Fi becomes available to the masses and it becomes portable. That's a level playing field. Radio's worst nightmare.
ummmmmmmm said:
I think it's so funny to hear you talk about BS factor going down when you put out as much (if not more) as you complain about. Isn't that the REAL reason why you're living life "outside of radio" right now? Because of your "BS" factor? Another thing...it's even funnier to see you posting on this board. Didn't you tell me once that only radio losers and people who couldn't make it post on this board?
KJCB above asks: Is radio better off when some on-air types leave the biz for better money outside of radio? I don't see that.
I left radio, of my own accord, a number of years ago. It wasn't because I hated radio. In fact, my posting here is indicative that radio is still very much a passion for me. But passion for the medium doesn't pay the mortgage or the electric bill.
In my last radio job, I had been with the same station for seven years. I was under contract, with a non-compete. Because I started at this station at an entry level, I started at a lower salary. I was happy to be employed. But because of a super-restricive non-compete, I couldn't "cross the street" or even leave the market. Ownership had exercised non-competes on some of my colleagues who tried to leave the market for off-air TV jobs, and even they were forced to stay. So my only hope was to wait until the contract was up and hope I could find a new job immediately. Since ownership never wanted contracts to lapse without a new one signed, the window for that was incredibly small. So I stayed for seven years even though I tried desperately to find something else in broadcasting.
My highest salary was $23,000 / year (this was early 1990s) and I was, by then, in management. I'm married with two kids, and even though my wife works, there's no way to save for retirement and pay for college, etc., on that kind of coin. So, I did what was right for my family, and left the biz. (Ownership even tried to force me to abide by my contract even though I was leaving radio entirely. Nice.)
I owe radio nothing. Nor does radio owe me. Sure, I would love to be on the air again. It's what I love. But I love providing for my family more. So many people want to be on the radio that the biz can chew you up and spit you out and 15 people will be in line for your old job. Radio execs take advantage of that; it's human nature.
So... Good for Leibo. If he's got a great paying p.r. gig, more power to him. At least he gets to be creative. Very few of the creative people in radio are making decent money. A few morning show hosts, some talk show guys, etc.... The real money is in sales. Does anyone on this board think sales is more fun than on-air?
I left radio, of my own accord, a number of years ago. It wasn't because I hated radio. In fact, my posting here is indicative that radio is still very much a passion for me. But passion for the medium doesn't pay the mortgage or the electric bill.
In my last radio job, I had been with the same station for seven years. I was under contract, with a non-compete. Because I started at this station at an entry level, I started at a lower salary. I was happy to be employed. But because of a super-restricive non-compete, I couldn't "cross the street" or even leave the market. Ownership had exercised non-competes on some of my colleagues who tried to leave the market for off-air TV jobs, and even they were forced to stay. So my only hope was to wait until the contract was up and hope I could find a new job immediately. Since ownership never wanted contracts to lapse without a new one signed, the window for that was incredibly small. So I stayed for seven years even though I tried desperately to find something else in broadcasting.
My highest salary was $23,000 / year (this was early 1990s) and I was, by then, in management. I'm married with two kids, and even though my wife works, there's no way to save for retirement and pay for college, etc., on that kind of coin. So, I did what was right for my family, and left the biz. (Ownership even tried to force me to abide by my contract even though I was leaving radio entirely. Nice.)
I owe radio nothing. Nor does radio owe me. Sure, I would love to be on the air again. It's what I love. But I love providing for my family more. So many people want to be on the radio that the biz can chew you up and spit you out and 15 people will be in line for your old job. Radio execs take advantage of that; it's human nature.
So... Good for Leibo. If he's got a great paying p.r. gig, more power to him. At least he gets to be creative. Very few of the creative people in radio are making decent money. A few morning show hosts, some talk show guys, etc.... The real money is in sales. Does anyone on this board think sales is more fun than on-air?
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