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The "dissing" of Air America

Sorry to anyone who might be upset if there's any gloating about the possibility of AAR leaving town, but hey:
they're not the only station that someone might make fun of here. Look at WRKO and all THOSE posts! :)

There is a place for left-leaning talk on the dial (and one could say there is, on the left part of the FM dial)
but Air America, for all the ballyhoo about it, kind of fumbled the ball. Whether it was CC not promoting them
properly, or getting on weak signals, or putting on the droning voice of Franken or Randi Rhodes saying that
ha ha, the President should be shot; or whether it was the fact that they couldn't balance their books,
or that shows somehow weren't attracting an audience...

or whether it was the fact that conservative talk
radio succeeds, especially in Boston, because it's an alternative to the Left media out there and has over
the years been skillfully done. Whatever the reason, AAR's lack of success isn't surprising--and note that if
there are any libtalk shows with potential, they seem to come from other outlets like Jones.

Look, it probably would have been better if AAR had tried to put together a compelling show, someone who
puts entertainment/info together well, and marketed it to the so-called conservative talkers like WRKO
or WTKK (WBZ, I think, is a bit more centrist--and they don't really have open slots). They're "conservative
talkers" because that has worked in the past (and for that matter, are they ALL conservative? Mike
Barnicle, Jim Braude...and Marge Clapprood in the past...)

AAR may be going down but that doesn't mean liberal or moderate talk will; what I would have done:

--Get compelling, entertaining hosts (concentrate more on entertaining, not on winning elections, though
the Left has certainly had success with the latter in Boston!)

--make sure each AAR station has a DAILY ---LOCAL-- host! Not all syndie! But that would apply to the
idea of AAR doing a "network" rather than marketing individual shows to stations...

--Market yourselves to the big stations in town like WRKO (big signals). True, the radio landscape has
been littered with the failed libtalkers of the past: Hightower, Cuomo, J. Jackson, etc. But hey I thought
Steph Miller had potential and I liked Colmes' show when WRKO briefly had it.

--Balance your books--$20 milliion in debt? Of course maybe they were hoping the advertisers would
come through. Did they?

etc.

If libtalk should disappear from 1200 and 1430 either Monday, or a couple weeks after that, or Jan 1,
don't be surprised--and yes, radio is a business and the ratings/billings just weren't there--but
people can learn from mistakes and perhaps it will rise in some other way. Though you might also
argue that the Democrats now having control of Congress might make the conservative talkers
stronger than ever, as it's the opposition getting their voices together and rallying...
 
Oh and no problem, Norm...I guess more than a few of us can go overboard at times. I guess I do have a life,
and perhaps some opinions that may differ from some on this board. But hey it's a discussion board and that's
what makes it good. No, great! ::)
 
Some of AAR's hosts found success in other markets. For example, Randi Rhodes consistently outperformed Rush in her home market of West Palm Beach (also my hometown). Mike Malloy did well in Atlanta, one of the Reddest big cities in America.

I think the problem is that radio has become a medium dominated by conservative listeners. While liberal talk can succeed on a local level, it has unfortunately not proven itself on a national level.
 
agree with Rac's analysis.

There was an arrogance of money methinks. Fancy liberals think - ah, no need to learn the biz of radio, throw money at it.

It worked so long as it was a charity, never as a business.
 
It may have been a case of trying to get too big, too fast...They needed to keep an eye on all their
expenditures. Rob Glaser of Real Networks gave them a $10 million "loan", but in many cases expenditures
were utility bills, AP, etc., that just weren't being paid (see the bankruptcy report on The Smoking Gun)--
oh, and big salaries to the likes of Franken. You know something was going on when their big "star"
was saying he had missed several paychecks. Spending too much, not raking in the ad dollars.

Oh, and while some here have complained about the "dissing of AAR", other outlets like WRKO have
been targets of ridicule, etc. What goes around comes around, and I guess I have to endure all
those anti-'RKO posts (well, I do still listen to Howie!) for every anti-AAR post I did. Sometimes you
eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you, and such is life.

I'd like to think I "make fun of" AAR, not "hate" them--if you like it, fine for you.
 
Today's Boston Radio Watch announced 1200/1430's upcoming change in line up, citing only the fact that Ed Shultz is moving to a new time and Franken isn't sure if he's returning when he comes back from Iraq.

No mention of a sale, whether complete or in the works. No mention of any plans or consideration of format changes.

I agree that the station needs more local programming; don't agree that the hosts aren't entertaining (at least for the most part - everyone has good and bad days).
 
FPB said:
Today's Boston Radio Watch announced 1200/1430's upcoming change in line up, citing only the fact that Ed Shultz is moving to a new time and Franken isn't sure if he's returning when he comes back from Iraq.

No mention of a sale, whether complete or in the works. No mention of any plans or consideration of format changes.

I agree that the station needs more local programming; don't agree that the hosts aren't entertaining (at least for the most part - everyone has good and bad days).
Except for the period shortly after one of her dogs died, I can't recall when Stephanie Miller has had a bad day.
 
the premise for these shows - stephanie miller, franken, etc - playing clips of rush or o'reilly and laughing at how stupid they are - gets tedious and to me is a flawed concept. I think you have to be a die-hard Dean voter to care. Normal people don't care so much about Rush and O'Reilly to want to hear them mocked all day. If they're really so fascinating and bizarre, I might as well tune in to them and hear the real thing.
 
Thom Hartmann is going into Franken's slot, according to BRW... he's a good host but not electrifying.

Malloy is back on a new network (NovaM) and they webcast, commercial free, for free! (archive). He's highly entertaining but definitely a flamethrower. He dishes out the invective just as vehemently as Savage, et al... by far, my favorite show on talk radio.
 
johnwas5 said:
the premise for these shows - stephanie miller, franken, etc - playing clips of rush or o'reilly and laughing at how stupid they are - gets tedious and to me is a flawed concept. I think you have to be a die-hard Dean voter to care. Normal people don't care so much about Rush and O'Reilly to want to hear them mocked all day. If they're really so fascinating and bizarre, I might as well tune in to them and hear the real thing.
The slogan for the right-wing-radio segment of the Stephanie Miller show is: we listen to them so you don't have to. According to Talkers Magazine, Steph has a million listeners...just think of all the time saved and the useful things people are free to do! Oh, and although a "simple-minded" listener may think this segment is Bill O'Reilly all the time, other right-wing nut-jobs are skewered...including recetly WTKK madman Michael Graham.
 
>>we listen to them so you don't have to

And a site called BoreAmerica.com says "monitoring Air America so you won't have to"

There are also sites which do the same so libs who hate O'Reilly or conservatives who hate Olby can
find out what he said lately...
 
>the premise for these shows - stephanie miller, franken, etc - playing clips of rush >or o'reilly and laughing at how stupid they are - gets tedious and to me is a >flawed concept.<
>
On the other hand, the day after the last elections Limbaugh basically admitted that he's nothing but a shill for the Republican party. He said that's he's getting tired of saying things he doesn't believe in. Flawed concept? For radio, possibly not. For democracy, YES! The premise of AAR is that these people on the right - as stupid as they are - have been influencing public opinion. So, yes; exposure has been the focus. Maybe it gets tedious, but maybe it has to be done.
 
but there's the failure. These shows are supposed to entertain, not meet some standard of truth that you're setting for them, and they fail to entertain, so they fail to attract audience, and AA is on the brink of extinction. The only reason its gone this far is because it is subsidized by ideologues. Rush does a lousy show, I agree, and his admission that he's been shilling was as bizarre as Bush saying stay the course had never been his policy. But he is able to attract and hold an audience, something Al Franken and the lot haven't proven they can do, so they frankly don't matter much.
 
>>they fail to entertain, so they fail to attract audience, and AA is on the brink of extinction.

Ironic that it can't do well nationwide and regionwide--especially here in New England. Mr. Newt was on C-SPAN
yesterday and he mentioned that New England has 24 Congressmen. Number of Republicans? One. The blue-est
region of the country, and AAR (admittedly on weaker signals) gets microscopic ratings--this is the one region
you'd expect it to do quite well. (Competition from WBUR may be a factor too)

And how does AAR do in the rest of New England? In Providence, the ratings for WHJJ plummeted with
a move to AAR and when the plug was pulled the prog. dir. said "The Air America Experiment has been a failure". A couple stations in Western MA run it--not sure how well it does...

They're on very weak signals in Vermont, none in NH or RI; and I'm not sure how their New Haven
and Portland (ME) signals do in ratings, but if Air America can't make it in the blue-est region of
the country...
 
Clearly, idealogues exist on both sides of the political debate. When the right insists that we'd be better off leaving everything to the free market, then they ignore facts to the contrary and -Pass Laws- to support their cause, they are idealogues. When Michael Medved (spelling?) creates an argument that Christianity is a "superior" religion, he's an idealogue.

AAR does have a mission to counteract rightwing idealogy. And I agree that they spend too much time critiquing O'Reilly and Co. I really care alot less about what O'Reilly says than what George W. Bush DOES (or, rather is told to do by Dick Chenny). And at the end of the day, it appears to me that Miller, Franken Rhodes etc look at it the same way. But there are hundreds of O'Reilly's on the air, and maybe a couple dozen Rhodes's at best. The O'Reilly lies have to be dealt with.

We're really talking about the degradation of political dialogue this country has seen over the last several years.

The left needs to understand that speaking truth to power doesn't win elections. It's the side that defines the debate who wins elections. So long as one side doesn't care what they say to define the debate, they'll spew any lies that stick. And when the opposing party needs to spend time answering the charges instead of dealing with the issues that he feels are important, the lies will win out.

So, will the left take on a Carl Rove style of attack and defame, and will AAR follow the lead? Probably not. Unfortunately idealogues on the left believe in dealing in truth and showing respect for the average voter.
 
>>So, will the left take on a Carl Rove style of attack and defame, and will AAR follow the lead? Probably not. Unfortunately idealogues on the left believe in dealing in truth and showing respect for the average voter.

I can't say for sure if either side is totally "telling the truth". If anything, I'd expect prog-talk to "attack and
defame" as much as conservatalk has (...if they haven't already done so) and what the "truth" is depends on
what side of the aisle you're on. I don't want to get into an argument that would move this thread to
Off the Air or even take it outside, but for every site out there that details "O'Reilly's lies" there's one pointing
out "Franken's lies", etc. Such is politics these days. I won't mention any sites, on either side; use a search
engine and you're sure to find sites, blogs, and discussion boards aplenty.
 
> but for every site out there that details "O'Reilly's lies" there's one pointing
>out "Franken's lies", etc.

Of course I've heard Prog-talkers get it wrong. I've heard them make try to make an issue out of something and leave me thinking, "Ya, so what?". Believe me; my world doesn't come crashing down.

And I am equally capable of listening to O'Reilly and deciding when he speaks truth, when his opinion is a bit scewed and he completely makes stuff up.

If talkers on the right want to be entertainers, let them spin platters. Let them become weather guys (always leave 'em smiling!). Let them revive radio drama. Heck they all deal in fiction every day anyway!
 
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