THE DOO WOP VAULT HAS IT!!!!

[doowopvault]

THAT'S RIGHT!!!! rare 1950's early 60's Doo Wop, r&b vocal groups, rock and acappella...plus the classics. Syndicated on 13 stations so far, with more to come.Available 24/7 via my podcast at www.doowopvault.podomatic.com Check it out!!! it'll make you dance, prance and make romance.

 

[WDAE-FM101]

Outstanding. Great job pulling this together.

 

[RADIO TRUTH]

THAT'S RIGHT!!!! rare 1950's early 60's Doo Wop, r&b vocal groups, rock and acappella...plus the classics. Syndicated on 13 stations so far, with more to come.Available 24/7 via my podcast at www.doowopvault.podomatic.com Check it out!!! it'll make you dance, prance and make romance.

It violates U. S. copyright laws to put any music in a podcast unless you get permission for each individual song from each individual record company. There is no blanket music license for podcasts.

 

[doowopvault]

THAT'S RIGHT!!!! rare 1950's early 60's Doo Wop, r&b vocal groups, rock and acappella...plus the classics. Syndicated on 13 stations so far, with more to come.Available 24/7 via my podcast at www.doowopvault.podomatic.com Check it out!!! it'll make you dance, prance and make romance.

It violates U. S. copyright laws to put any music in a podcast unless you get permission for each individual song from each individual record company. There is no blanket music license for podcasts.

As long as the stations Broadcasting the show pays their royalties, there isn't a problem. AND.....that would be a little difficult, because the independent labels that recorded these gems are no longer in business, for some of the labels...over 50 years.

 

[hornet61]

How many versions of Gloria (same as cadillacs and passions) do you play i have heard at least half a dozen versions...reason I ask are you, east coast doo-wop or do you play aLot of R&B sometimes incorrectly labeled doo-wop).. I don't consider "the Platters" or " Little Anthony"as Doo-Wop.

 

[TheFonz]

I don't consider "the Platters" or " Little Anthony"as Doo-Wop.

Whoa............now you've opened a can of worms. Please define "doo-wop" for us.

 

[Jimmy128]

I don't consider "the Platters" or " Little Anthony"as Doo-Wop.

Whoa............now you've opened a can of worms. Please define "doo-wop" for us.

"Long Lonely Nights" by Lee Andrews and the Hearts.

"A Story Untold" by the Nutmegs.

 

[doowopvault]

How many versions of Gloria (same as cadillacs and passions) do you play i have heard at least half a dozen versions...reason I ask are you, east coast doo-wop or do you play aLot of R&B sometimes incorrectly labeled doo-wop).. I don't consider "the Platters" or " Little Anthony"as Doo-Wop.

My man.....the show is called "the Doo Wop Vault", and like Alan Freed, most of my show is Doo Wop. But to spice things up,I play early R&B vocal groups and singles artists, plus some early 60's acappella. I do not play the common cuts that you hear on other shows, I'm not besmirching what other DJ's do, just saying that they've been played to death. Give it a listen to hear what i'm talking about. AND...when I do play an R&B group or artist...yes, it is labeled as R&B. www.doowopvault.podomatic.com

 

[hornet61]

How many versions of Gloria (same as cadillacs and passions) do you play i have heard at least half a dozen versions...reason I ask are you, east coast doo-wop or do you play aLot of R&B sometimes incorrectly labeled doo-wop).. I don't consider "the Platters" or " Little Anthony"as Doo-Wop.

thank you very much, that is the exact answer i wanted to hear.....Fonze, read his answer, this gentlemen programmed a Doo-Wop station and also plays R&B and correctly ID's it as R&B...The problem i have had in the past defining Doo-Wop it has been lumped in with R&B and pop for so many years that I cannot win the arguement..so i quit trying..Platters and little Anthony are 60% pop and 39% R&B and 1% doo-wop (only because they are a harmony group). The Clovers are 100% R&B and Mystics are closer to 100% doo-wop. R&B has practically disappeared as a genre , because every one throws doo-wop around as if it were gospel..



My man.....the show is called "the Doo Wop Vault", and like Alan Freed, most of my show is Doo Wop. But to spice things up,I play early R&B vocal groups and singles artists, plus some early 60's acappella. I do not play the common cuts that you hear on other shows, I'm not besmirching what other DJ's do, just saying that they've been played to death. Give it a listen to hear what i'm talking about. AND...when I do play an R&B group or artist...yes, it is labeled as R&B. www.doowopvault.podomatic.com

 

[hornet61]

How many versions of Gloria (same as cadillacs and passions) do you play i have heard at least half a dozen versions...reason I ask are you, east coast doo-wop or do you play aLot of R&B sometimes incorrectly labeled doo-wop).. I don't consider "the Platters" or " Little Anthony"as Doo-Wop.

My man.....the show is called "the Doo Wop Vault", and like Alan Freed, most of my show is Doo Wop. But to spice things up,I play early R&B vocal groups and singles artists, plus some early 60's acappella. I do not play the common cuts that you hear on other shows, I'm not besmirching what other DJ's do, just saying that they've been played to death. Give it a listen to hear what i'm talking about. AND...when I do play an R&B group or artist...yes, it is labeled as R&B. www.doowopvault.podomatic.com

thank you very much, that is the exact answer i wanted to hear ,and i can't wait to listen, it sounds great.......Fonze, read his answer, this gentlemen programmed a Doo-Wop station and also plays R&B and correctly ID's it as R&B...The problem i have had in the past defining Doo-Wop it has been lumped in with R&B and pop for so many years that I cannot win the arguement..so i quit trying..Platters and little Anthony are 60% pop and 39% R&B and 1% doo-wop (only because they are a harmony group). The Clovers are 100% R&B and Mystics are closer to 100% doo-wop. R&B has practically disappeared as a genre , because every one throws doo-wop around as if it were gospel..

 

[doowopvault]

The Platters were a great Rockin R&B group back in the early 50's when they recorded for Federal. Then Buck Ram, for reasons of getting the groups recordings played on the far left hand side of the dial,additional airplay, toned them down, put violins, harps etc behind them and made them more socially acceptable.Now they were being played on "white stations". As far as little Anthony, when they first started out, they were the Duponts, and they were Doo Wop, but got toned down and were turned into a pop group in the 60's.But the term "Doo Wop" wasn't used until Gus Gossert in the late 60's early 70's. Before that, it was called Rock n Roll by Alan Freed.Plus...acappella wasn't played on the radio until Slim Rose of Times Square Records played it on his show in the early 60's.

 

[TheFonz]

The Clovers are 100% R&B

So then, "Love Potion #9" is R&B?

 

[doowopvault]

The Clovers are 100% R&B

So then, "Love Potion #9" is R&B?

Many of their cuts were, that's why Tommy Dr Jive Smalls had them appear on his R&B review at the Apollo. they even made the R&B chart IN 1954 with little mama. here is a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG9ajU_UmnI

 

[RADIO TRUTH]

As long as the stations Broadcasting the show pays their royalties, there isn't a problem. AND.....that would be a little difficult, because the independent labels that recorded these gems are no longer in business, for some of the labels...over 50 years.

The independent labels were all bought up by the major label conglomerates. If You use music in a podcast without the permission of the copyright holder, the copyright holder can take legal action against you for damages. Here is a link to an article that clearly defines why you're violating copyright laws. http://www.broadcastlawblog.com/2011/07/articles/music-rights/beware-music-use-in-podcasts-downloads-and-ondemand-streams-are-not-covered-by-your-soundexchange-royalties/

 

[doowopvault]

As long as the stations Broadcasting the show pays their royalties, there isn't a problem. AND.....that would be a little difficult, because the independent labels that recorded these gems are no longer in business, for some of the labels...over 50 years.

The independent labels were all bought up by the major label conglomerates. If You use music in a podcast without the permission of the copyright holder, the copyright holder can take legal action against you for damages. Here is a link to an article that clearly defines why you're violating copyright laws. http://www.broadcastlawblog.com/2011/07/articles/music-rights/beware-music-use-in-podcasts-downloads-and-ondemand-streams-are-not-covered-by-your-soundexchange-royalties/

First off, I suggest you read about the Independent labels such as Nu-Kat, Lu Pine, Milestone, Lummtone,Klick, Combo etc, they were not bought up, they just closed up shop because they could not afford to pay payola to get their records played. Second....I make NO MONEY from this podcast, it's only used for listeners who missed the show on the terrestrial stations. So if they want to come after me like i'm some criminal, when all i'm doing is entertaining people, putting a smile on their faces, here i'm, go to it.

2nd...you make me out to be some criminal, meanwhile people like you say nothing, not one word about how ridiculous it is to have to pay three different entities to play the same song. AND....it isn't good enough to pay royalties for the songs you play on terrestrial radio, but if you run the station on an internet stream, you have to pay the same entities again for songs you just finished paying for the right to play on the terrestrial station!!!!. Also...if you have a Doctors office, and you play the radio on the phone while people are on hold, you have to pay royalties. if you play the radio in any business...you have to pay royalties. This is gangsterism , extortion. I have no problem with artists getting paid royalties...but at the point of sales...that's it. so if you want to look at ones action, don't look at the people PLAYING these tunes, which helps sales, look at the thieves of BMI, ASCAP and sound exchange.

 

[hornet61]

The Clovers are 100% R&B

So then, "Love Potion #9" is R&B?

I believe yes, all of the clovers catolog is R&B..having said that..Doo-wop is a hybrid of R&B and Rock n' roll/Pop...harmony groups using alot of nonsense lyrics ,as defined in the early 70's....define Doo-Wop ,if not a nonsense lyric introduced by some group at some point in time in a lyric.
Doo-Wop,Shu-Doo-Wop, Wop,Wop, rama -lama -ding Dong...some DJ coined the term referencing certain style and lyric and boom
any harmony group from 1948 forward was called doo-wop...the platters never did nonsence lyrics... i'll ask you this..what is you rational for labeling both "I'm On the outside looking in" by little anthony and "rama-lama Ding-dong" by the edsels as doo-wop..why then don't we do away with the term R&B..or give me a specific example of an R&B song and a Doo-Wop song....Buck Ram was the Berry Gordy of his day Black Music for White People..or as they called It back then "Cross-over"..Little Anthony eventaully went that direction when he hooked up with homoginized sound of Teddy Randazzo...yes you are right I did open a bucket of worms..

 

[RADIO TRUTH]

First off, I suggest you read about the Independent labels such as Nu-Kat, Lu Pine, Milestone, Lummtone,Klick, Combo etc, they were not bought up, they just closed up shop because they could not afford to pay payola to get their records played. Second....I make NO MONEY from this podcast, it's only used for listeners who missed the show on the terrestrial stations. So if they want to come after me like i'm some criminal, when all i'm doing is entertaining people, putting a smile on their faces, here i'm, go to it.

2nd...you make me out to be some criminal, meanwhile people like you say nothing, not one word about how ridiculous it is to have to pay three different entities to play the same song. AND....it isn't good enough to pay royalties for the songs you play on terrestrial radio, but if you run the station on an internet stream, you have to pay the same entities again for songs you just finished paying for the right to play on the terrestrial station!!!!. Also...if you have a Doctors office, and you play the radio on the phone while people are on hold, you have to pay royalties. if you play the radio in any business...you have to pay royalties. This is gangsterism , extortion. I have no problem with artists getting paid royalties...but at the point of sales...that's it. so if you want to look at ones action, don't look at the people PLAYING these tunes, which helps sales, look at the thieves of BMI, ASCAP and sound exchange.

First, the assets of Milestone Records were bought by Rhino which was bought by WEA. The Relic Records Label, when it was in business, bought the rights from the estates of a majority of the obscure doo wop labels listed above.

Secondly, you are preaching to the choir about the royalty structure of the RIAA, ASCAP, BMI and SESAC. I also think it's ridiculous. Despite what you or I think, these are still the current U. S. copyright laws whether we like them or not. The article and I were just pointing out that if you continue to put music in podcasts without the permission of the copyright holder, you have the potential to get sued.

If you want to know what I really think, I think it's idiotic to have an internet radio station and pay ridiculous royalties with no potential to make any money or have any significant audience. The definition of a professional means that you get compensation for what you do. I'm sure that you and every other internet radio station won't have the opportunity to turn a profit for a minimum of ten years or until unlimited bandwidth is cheap enough and readily available. If you're not making money, you're not a professional and it's just a hobby. That puts you in the same boat with at least 10,000 other internet stations who also bitch about royalties and have no chance of making a dime.

 

[TheFonz]

The Clovers are 100% R&B

So then, "Love Potion #9" is R&B?

I believe yes, all of the clovers catolog is R&B..having said that..Doo-wop is a hybrid of R&B and Rock n' roll/Pop...harmony groups using alot of nonsense lyrics ,as defined in the early 70's....define Doo-Wop ,if not a nonsense lyric introduced by some group at some point in time in a lyric.
Doo-Wop,Shu-Doo-Wop, Wop,Wop, rama -lama -ding Dong...some DJ coined the term referencing certain style and lyric and boom
any harmony group from 1948 forward was called doo-wop...the platters never did nonsence lyrics... i'll ask you this..what is you rational for labeling both "I'm On the outside looking in" by little anthony and "rama-lama Ding-dong" by the edsels as doo-wop..why then don't we do away with the term R&B..or give me a specific example of an R&B song and a Doo-Wop song....Buck Ram was the Berry Gordy of his day Black Music for White People..or as they called It back then "Cross-over"..Little Anthony eventaully went that direction when he hooked up with homoginized sound of Teddy Randazzo...yes you are right I did open a bucket of worms..

Wow...you're all over the map here. I'm trying to follow you..........here's what I've got so far: In your original post you were trying to define ARTISTS by genre. Now you're backing off and saying that an artist or group can do songs from several genres. You're also saying that "Love Potion #9" is a R&B song, even though it made the Pop charts. And you're saying that in order for a song to be classified as "doo wop" it has to have "nonsense lyrics". Have I got it about right?

 

[doowopvault]

First off, I suggest you read about the Independent labels such as Nu-Kat, Lu Pine, Milestone, Lummtone,Klick, Combo etc, they were not bought up, they just closed up shop because they could not afford to pay payola to get their records played. Second....I make NO MONEY from this podcast, it's only used for listeners who missed the show on the terrestrial stations. So if they want to come after me like i'm some criminal, when all i'm doing is entertaining people, putting a smile on their faces, here i'm, go to it.

2nd...you make me out to be some criminal, meanwhile people like you say nothing, not one word about how ridiculous it is to have to pay three different entities to play the same song. AND....it isn't good enough to pay royalties for the songs you play on terrestrial radio, but if you run the station on an internet stream, you have to pay the same entities again for songs you just finished paying for the right to play on the terrestrial station!!!!. Also...if you have a Doctors office, and you play the radio on the phone while people are on hold, you have to pay royalties. if you play the radio in any business...you have to pay royalties. This is gangsterism , extortion. I have no problem with artists getting paid royalties...but at the point of sales...that's it. so if you want to look at ones action, don't look at the people PLAYING these tunes, which helps sales, look at the thieves of BMI, ASCAP and sound exchange.

First, the assets of Milestone Records were bought by Rhino which was bought by WEA. The Relic Records Label, when it was in business, bought the rights from the estates of a majority of the obscure doo wop labels listed above.

Secondly, you are preaching to the choir about the royalty structure of the RIAA, ASCAP, BMI and SESAC. I also think it's ridiculous. Despite what you or I think, these are still the current U. S. copyright laws whether we like them or not. The article and I were just pointing out that if you continue to put music in podcasts without the permission of the copyright holder, you have the potential to get sued.

If you want to know what I really think, I think it's idiotic to have an internet radio station and pay ridiculous royalties with no potential to make any money or have any significant audience. The definition of a professional means that you get compensation for what you do. I'm sure that you and every other internet radio station won't have the opportunity to turn a profit for a minimum of ten years or until unlimited bandwidth is cheap enough and readily available. If you're not making money, you're not a professional and it's just a hobby. That puts you in the same boat with at least 10,000 other internet stations who also bitch about royalties and have no chance of making a dime.

First.....You are not talking about the Milestone record label Owned by Jackson & Madelon Baker. There were two other Milestone record labels, one one in NY, and one owned by rockabilly star Werly Fairburn which recorded the Blue jays and Jodimars.

2nd....my Definition of a professional is performance and attitude, not whether they are paid or not. there are others in this business who believe if you broker your airtime, you are also not a professional. So this all comes down to opinion...and you know what they say about them...right.I will not spend days and weeks sparring on this issue. people are so quick to question the actions of those with no power than those with power. I will say this for the last time, my podcast is only used for those who missed the show on the terrestrial stations that broadcast my show, that's it.no money is being made from the podcast, it's only use is that of an archive, that's it, that's all.now....if there are people out there employed by those gangster organisations that have a problem with that, then let the games begin.

 

[RADIO TRUTH]

First.....You are not talking about the Milestone record label Owned by Jackson & Madelon Baker. There were two other Milestone record labels, one one in NY, and one owned by rockabilly star Werly Fairburn which recorded the Blue jays and Jodimars.

2nd....my Definition of a professional is performance and attitude, not whether they are paid or not. there are others in this business who believe if you broker your airtime, you are also not a professional. So this all comes down to opinion...and you know what they say about them...right.I will not spend days and weeks sparring on this issue. people are so quick to question the actions of those with no power than those with power. I will say this for the last time, my podcast is only used for those who missed the show on the terrestrial stations that broadcast my show, that's it.no money is being made from the podcast, it's only use is that of an archive, that's it, that's all.now....if there are people out there employed by those gangster organisations that have a problem with that, then let the games begin.

The Milestone record label that I mentioned that was sold to Rhino had Diamonds And Pearls by the Paradons on it. If you and others who use music in podcasts without permission from the copyright holders get sued, you can't say you weren't warned. Your definition of professional is idiotic. A true professional gets paid for services rendered. You're one of tons of hobbyists living out a fantasy that your internet station is relevant. If you were really a professional and had a significant audience, you wouldn't be complaining about paying the royalties but, with no money coming in, the $3000.00 minimum yearly royalty payments must seem like a lot for a hobby that only strokes your ego.