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The Fan

Jeff- way to avoid the point. Sucks to be reminded that your "pet" format has no appeal to the vast majority of people, huh? Get used to it, smooth jazz's time has come and gone...

And Where- oh, totally agree on the saturation. But again, that's where the business end of this comes in. At some point, with 3 cows grazing the sports talk field, the grass will get a little thinner, a little browner. And some suit will look around and say 'hey the grass is much greener over there". Maybe 105.3 and ESPN team up to topple the ticket. Maybe ESPN starts losing billing to the upstart, and decide to cut the local talent and just ride the bird... Or maybe CBS decides that hitching a sports talk wagon to Ben and Skin and a non-sports morning show was a stupid idea and they flip to something else...I don't know HOW the story ends, I'm just enjoying watching the proceedings...
 
salemjedi54 said:
Why do you former KLLI listeners dislike sports? I am curious. What about sports/talk do you not like?
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I can only speak for myself, but here goes....

I dislike sports for the same reason I dislike, say, onions. They simply don't appeal to me. In the case of sports, I don't see what's entertaining about watching millionaires play kids' games. But, hey...there's probably something I enjoy that you just don't "get." That's just the way of the world.
 
WheredidMergeGo said:
On top of that, is there REALLY enough "talent" in this market to carry THREE sports station through a broadcast day?? Let alone interest in sports (outside the cowboys)? Is there enough listeners (who buy products advertised on stations) to carry THREE stations with the cowboys season over? Can you spread coverage of the mavericks over 3 stations with any quality? The ticket has hockey pretty much covered in the mid day show as well as post game coverage.
Can the half dozen soccer fans drive a show on one, two or three stations?
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Consider the stations and tap the brakes about "talent". That's an awfully generic term in this market.

KTCK - Guys who (for the most part sans the dufus yuck monkeys) have been doing sports most of their career. They already knew how do it, and did it well.

ESPN - Half of their drivel is national, and bad at that! The first local show is a guy who is barely able to speak English without sounding like he's choking on a potato. The second guy works two hours a day and barely has anything to say. Every once in a while, Dale shows up extolling his own greatness. The big coup was signing Greggo, and since they have him on three times a month, how's that going?

KLLI - The Jagger mix is the bastard child at a family reunion. He just doesn't belong there, and management should figure that out. As for the "talent" here, aside from Ben & Skin (whom I enjoy quite a bit), the guys are Ticket rejects and a bunch of tools named Fred.

In short, that ubiquitous peanut butter can be spread thick. Seen the grocery store lately? Many brands, same food. And who eats Skippy anyway? (That would be ESPN).
 
70 percent of espn revenue is locked in. Cable fees. They are in a major buying mood right now.in the next three months.....dallas and 103.5 will see major benefits of being espn's partner.
deal's close to done.
 
um..so are you saying I won't have to hear the same four commercials every break (autoflex, cookie diet, 1-800 the dogs, and trophy nissan) on 105.3? oh I forgot dallas kan. Write off the car (or the dead psa inventory), not the kid.
 
I dislike sports radio NOT because I dislike sports BUT because it's nothing but a bunch of armchair-quarterback ******bags who seriously believe think know better how to run things than the owner, manager, coaches and players instead of the people who actually get PAID to do it and have devoted their lives to it.

I find the format baffling.
 
LanceHall said:
I dislike sports radio NOT because I dislike sports BUT because it's nothing but a bunch of armchair-quarterback ******bags who seriously believe think know better how to run things than the owner, manager, coaches and players instead of the people who actually get PAID to do it and have devoted their lives to it.

I find the format baffling.
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Wow - just replace "sports radio" with "radio-info boards"!!! Come on - that's funny!!

But yea - it's also my point - I like sports radio (as well as this place) in small doses as I like to hear what the people who are non experts but for some reason get paid to talk about it, have to say. In many cases these talking heads have contacts with the teams or players and sometimes know a little bit more than the national media. I would say that One or Two GOOD (NOT Three) sports stations is a good thing as it CAN be a better pipeline of information about your favorite team or sport that the national sports media may be slow to pick up on.

As an example - I like hockey - I like listening to post game reactions from the players and the coach before I even get home (assuming I went to the game).
I can even tolerate a show during the season with an ex player and local sports personality breaking down the previous or upcoming game as well as another show breaking down the action across the NHL. Now this is just ONE sport. If i cared as much about basketball and football (I do with football but there is just SO much media be it radio/tv/internet/print that you can't fart on a Monday without hitting someone talking about the previous game) then I can see how a sports station can succeed. Not to mention even the best sports station is maybe 50% sports during prime time and 40% guy talk and 10% crap!

So basically - arguably the best sports station in this market had to veer into guy talk to keep high ratings so the lone "guy talk" station with tanking ratings decided to try to glom onto the sports format.

Then again - if "The Fan" gives it time to grow and get talent and compete then it would be nice to have a quality FM sports station.

Thank GAWD radio is notorious for giving new formats and ideas PLENTY of time to grow and develop!!
 
Yes, there are 3 stations called Sports talk - but are they the same? The Ticket takes ZERO calls (except for Norman) and is focused on the hosts. ESPN is all about the national be-all, end-all experts. The Fan is going caller driven, which drives me INSANE. However, this might give them a shot, b/c the people who call in will listen to be formulating their next call based on whatever that "caller who just stole my thunder" said.

Kinda like selling hamburgers, no? LOTS of places sell hamburgers, but everyone is different.
 
Open lines makes an interesting mix of programming. Its better than the gestapo control over at The Ticket when it comes to calls.
 
Slambang said:
Open lines makes an interesting mix of programming. Its better than the gestapo control over at The Ticket when it comes to calls.
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The person that cares about the caller's opinion is usually limited to the caller him/herself. People don't tune in to hear Don from Wylie's opinion on the Cowboys they can get that stuf from the guy at the watercooler. That's not to say that the occasional caller can't make a good point. But for the most part hosts will use callers as a time fill crutch.
 
whodatdj said:
Slambang said:
Open lines makes an interesting mix of programming. Its better than the gestapo control over at The Ticket when it comes to calls.
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The person that cares about the caller's opinion is usually limited to the caller him/herself. People don't tune in to hear Don from Wylie's opinion on the Cowboys they can get that stuf from the guy at the watercooler. That's not to say that the occasional caller can't make a good point. But for the most part hosts will use callers as a time fill crutch.
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Oh I totally disagree. I wake up after every Cowboys game hoping that Don from Wylie will call in. Because I won't be able to REALLY understand the game, and it's implications, until some guy who works all day at his mundane job weighs in on the situation. Because obviously Don is going to have much more insight, than guys who spend 3-5 hours a day talking about it, guys who go to the games, hear all the press conferences, go to training camp, etc. I've been hooked on Don from Wylie's opinions ever since I heard him say that Aikman was overrated and the Cowboys should be starting Steve Buerlein. Because his genius was proven for me right there. After all, what has Aikman ever done? ;)
 
little1 said:
whodatdj said:
Slambang said:
Open lines makes an interesting mix of programming. Its better than the gestapo control over at The Ticket when it comes to calls.
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The person that cares about the caller's opinion is usually limited to the caller him/herself. People don't tune in to hear Don from Wylie's opinion on the Cowboys they can get that stuf from the guy at the watercooler. That's not to say that the occasional caller can't make a good point. But for the most part hosts will use callers as a time fill crutch.
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Oh I totally disagree. I wake up after every Cowboys game hoping that Don from Wylie will call in. Because I won't be able to REALLY understand the game, and it's implications, until some guy who works all day at his mundane job weighs in on the situation. Because obviously Don is going to have much more insight, than guys who spend 3-5 hours a day talking about it, guys who go to the games, hear all the press conferences, go to training camp, etc. I've been hooked on Don from Wylie's opinions ever since I heard him say that Aikman was overrated and the Cowboys should be starting Steve Buerlein. Because his genius was proven for me right there. After all, what has Aikman ever done? ;)
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Which is why you'll have your burger served at ESPN, or the Ticket. Don from Wylie, and all the thousands of his ilk, will be tuned into the Fan, b/c they know they can't get through at the other two places. Are there enough Don's to maintain the station? Dunno, I don't listen to it.
 
But does Don care about Dan's opinion, does dan care about Don's, and do either of them care about Dave's opinion? And will they stick around after they've had their say?
 
I listen to sports radio occasionally and when I do, I listen to The Ticket, because those guys actually have personalities. I can actually tell the difference in their hosts unlike the ones on 105.3. When it comes to caller driven radio, I never understood what propels someone to call into a talk show, sports or otherwise, and share their thoughts. Seems like a waste of time to me.
 
After a big Cowboys/Mavs/Stars/Rangers game, would you tune in the following morning to listen to Jagger or Dunham and Miller?
 
The percentage of people who call in talk radio is so tiny that it would not matter if all the dans, daves and dons went to another station. There would be about 20 of them.


remember the early days of the tickets when they did take calls and it was the worst part of the station. The same stupid callers over and over again, overdoing it, and trying to milk their own fame. Once in a very blue moon you might find someone who could contain and maintain.

Line 4 guy is the exception to sports talk radio callers by a mile.
 
marksman said:
The percentage of people who call in talk radio is so tiny that it would not matter if all the dans, daves and dons went to another station. There would be about 20 of them.
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Although I agree many callers are dunderheads who just get on to hear themselves back on delay for the chics, I think you are a little off onthe "Dan, Dave and Don" ratio. I know (just lil' ol' me) many people who have called KTCK and never get through because self-aggrandizing dimwits like Danny won't take their calls, and once he does, refuses to put them on because he is so far above them.

Call talking can be a beating, but let's face it ... they are the reason you are there.
 
Make Me said:
After a big Cowboys/Mavs/Stars/Rangers game, would you tune in the following morning to listen to Jagger or Dunham and Miller?
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Jagger.

Unless, that is, he too was talking about the mind-numbing "big Cowboys/Mavs/Stars/Rangers game."

If that were their topic, too...I'd put in a CD.
 
DJ2PR said:
marksman said:
The percentage of people who call in talk radio is so tiny that it would not matter if all the dans, daves and dons went to another station. There would be about 20 of them.
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Although I agree many callers are dunderheads who just get on to hear themselves back on delay for the chics, I think you are a little off onthe "Dan, Dave and Don" ratio. I know (just lil' ol' me) many people who have called KTCK and never get through because self-aggrandizing dimwits like Danny won't take their calls, and once he does, refuses to put them on because he is so far above them.

Call talking can be a beating, but let's face it ... they are the reason you are there.
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I am thankful they do not put callers through. Thier show is fine without having to hear from dimwit callers. If Danny refuses to put callers on, it is most likely because they sound like idiots. he is doing them the favor of saving them from embarrassing themselves on the radio.
 
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