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ok coming home tonight after listning to my stryper cd i turned on the radio. scanned the dial and there is the rev jimmy swaggert. he is saying how country music is christian bsecause it came out of gospel music, but rock music is evil because it is weird and you cant worship to it...or as he called it the modern rock noise stuff most christian teens are listing too these days? now why is the high and mighty rev swaggert saying that rockabilly is ok..he actually said that! but rock music is not..which rocabilly is rock music but thats beside the point. why is he still on this kick after all these years. we all know, well those of us over 25 anyway, that he is not a good example of anything!!! why is he doing this? and why did it upset me so :)..must calm down now...<P ID="signature">______________
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His focus is obviously in the wrong place.

I notice he spends MOST of his time preaching against sin.

What you focus on will get your attention. What gets your attention gets YOU.

See what I mean here?

So, you focus on sin...sin enslaves you one way or the other. It either enslaves you by drawing you back into it's icy grip. Or you become enlsaved to it by constantly running from it. IT'S CONTROLLING YOU BOTH WAYS!!!!

If you focus on Christ, HE gets your attention. And you're neither running from sin nor giving into it at that moment. When your attention is on Christ, sin has no control over you either way.

Here's a thought: Christ never called you to fight sin. He already did it. And HE won. Your job is now just to abide in him. In that moment that you're abiding, the sin problem has taken care of itself.

So back to radio...Swaggart. He seems to be completely focussed on sin. Not on Christ. You can see evidence of that borne out in his past.

As a by-product of being 'sin focused', some of the things he says are warped. Because the mind fixated on sin is doomed to be either hyper 'religious' or hyper 'rebelious.'

Don't get me wrong. Swaggart is probably indeed called and gifted by God to preach. He's just apparently struggling with a wrong concept of Christianity. And it's called being "Sin Conscious." A good portion of the church is caught in this trap.










> ok coming home tonight after listning to my stryper cd i
> turned on the radio. scanned the dial and there is the rev
> jimmy swaggert. he is saying how country music is christian
> bsecause it came out of gospel music, but rock music is evil
> because it is weird and you cant worship to it...or as he
> called it the modern rock noise stuff most christian teens
> are listing too these days? now why is the high and mighty
> rev swaggert saying that rockabilly is ok..he actually said
> that! but rock music is not..which rocabilly is rock music
> but thats beside the point. why is he still on this kick
> after all these years. we all know, well those of us over 25
> anyway, that he is not a good example of anything!!! why is
> he doing this? and why did it upset me so :)..must calm down
> now...
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by GaryThompson on 01/22/06 03:24 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> ok coming home tonight after listning to my stryper cd i
> turned on the radio. scanned the dial and there is the rev
> jimmy swaggert. he is saying how country music is christian
> bsecause it came out of gospel music, but rock music is evil
> because it is weird and you cant worship to it...or as he
> called it the modern rock noise stuff most christian teens
> are listing too these days? now why is the high and mighty
> rev swaggert saying that rockabilly is ok..he actually said
> that! but rock music is not..which rocabilly is rock music
> but thats beside the point. why is he still on this kick
> after all these years. we all know, well those of us over 25
> anyway, that he is not a good example of anything!!! why is
> he doing this? and why did it upset me so :)..must calm down
> now...

Unfortunately, Jimmy Swaggart isn't the only one who's gotten caught up in this thinking that christian rock/christian rap, etc is the "Devil's music". Churches, and to some extent church members, have embraced this sort of thinking for quite a while now. I've been to churches who believe that if it's not southern gospel or hymns, then it doesn't belong in the worship service. They are very much adamant about not having any sort of contemporary music in their services. They don't seem to understand, though, that worship is from the heart, and it doesn't have to do with the particular musical style you use. God wants us to worship Him from the heart, not by choosing a particular musical style. I personally don't care for a lot of the harder Christian rock and christian rap (or the secular versions, either), but that's just my personal tastes. I know there are people who enjoy christian rock/christian rap, and if it's used for the glory of God, Amen for it, even though I might not personally like those types of music. I don't believe people should make spiritual judgments about a particular type of music just because it's based on their personal tastes. We're not here to worship God the way we want, but the way He wants.

I tell my wife a lot when people start complaining about Christian rock and rap, etc, saying it's of Satan, that they're going to be a lot of surprised people in Heaven when some of those same songs they've been insisting are evil, are going to be sung up in Heaven. :)





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There'll be no radio in Heaven.
Will you be there??
www.EternalChoice.org
www.PassTheWord.net
 
Re: GT

Gary...

you are cool.

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I am sorry - this may sound mean. But nothing JS says has any credibility with me. He fell, his repentance is very questionable because he refused to submit to the authority of his denomination: authority ordained by God and agreed to by him when he joined the denomination. Unless you think leaving a denomination is OK when you don't want to submit to its authority. Like Henry VIII when he made up his own church.

As for JS's opinion of CCM / Christian rock. He is in the minority - his views represent a dying, legalistic approach to music. I totally destroyed the intellectual foundations of the anti-CCM movement years ago on my web site, proving scripturally that any style of music is OK for worship. It is time for JS to get off the spiritual baby food (as other posters have noted), go through the repentance procedure specified by his denomination, and get on with his walk with the Lord according to scripture. He is still a fallen man - and should not be in the pulpit until he does.

If I lived in Baton Rouge, I would be looking for a different church - because his is led by a man IN ERROR.
 
> > ok coming home tonight after listning to my stryper cd i
> > turned on the radio. scanned the dial and there is the rev
>
> > jimmy swaggert. he is saying how country music is
> christian
> > bsecause it came out of gospel music, but rock music is
> evil
> > because it is weird and you cant worship to it...or as he
> > called it the modern rock noise stuff most christian teens
>
> > are listing too these days? now why is the high and mighty
>
> > rev swaggert saying that rockabilly is ok..he actually
> said
> > that! but rock music is not..which rocabilly is rock music
>
> > but thats beside the point. why is he still on this kick
> > after all these years. we all know, well those of us over
> 25
> > anyway, that he is not a good example of anything!!! why
> is
> > he doing this? and why did it upset me so :)..must calm
> down
> > now...
>
> Unfortunately, Jimmy Swaggart isn't the only one who's
> gotten caught up in this thinking that christian
> rock/christian rap, etc is the "Devil's music". Churches,
> and to some extent church members, have embraced this sort
> of thinking for quite a while now. I've been to churches who
> believe that if it's not southern gospel or hymns, then it
> doesn't belong in the worship service. They are very much
> adamant about not having any sort of contemporary music in
> their services. They don't seem to understand, though, that
> worship is from the heart, and it doesn't have to do with
> the particular musical style you use. God wants us to
> worship Him from the heart, not by choosing a particular
> musical style. I personally don't care for a lot of the
> harder Christian rock and christian rap (or the secular
> versions, either), but that's just my personal tastes. I
> know there are people who enjoy christian rock/christian
> rap, and if it's used for the glory of God, Amen for it,
> even though I might not personally like those types of
> music. I don't believe people should make spiritual
> judgments about a particular type of music just because it's
> based on their personal tastes. We're not here to worship
> God the way we want, but the way He wants.
>
> I tell my wife a lot when people start complaining about
> Christian rock and rap, etc, saying it's of Satan, that
> they're going to be a lot of surprised people in Heaven when
> some of those same songs they've been insisting are evil,
> are going to be sung up in Heaven. :)
>
>
>
>
>
> **************************************
>
> There'll be no radio in Heaven.
> Will you be there??
> www.EternalChoice.org
> www.PassTheWord.net
>

The anti-CCM crowd can ruin what had been a good CCM station as well. WAJJ 89.3 in McKenzie, TN had been a CHR CCM station, but it was sold to the owners of WSOF in Madisonville, KY who have changed it to a platform for KJV-Only and anti-CCM preachers. I knew that when they took over this would happen, because of their reputation. I let the new owners know that I was disappointed in the changes and that I would not support their station because of their KJV Only and anti-CCM attitudes, and was pretty much treated as if they could care less, and they didn't need my support anyway.

However, I don't blame them nearly as much since it was already known what they would do. Most of the blame goes on the previous owners, who never let listeners know that there was a need for more money to stay on, never made any serious effort to try to find a buyer who would keep a CCM format, and especially because they sold to a group that they knew was anti-CCM and would change the station to what it is now with no apparent thought about it.

I've said this before, but when the KJVO and anti-CCM people get to Heaven, I hope their next door neighbor turns out to be a long haired, NIV toting Christian rock singer. :)<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by ccmfan on 01/24/06 04:46 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> > > ok coming home tonight after listning to my stryper cd i
>
> > > turned on the radio. scanned the dial and there is the
> rev
> >
> > > jimmy swaggert. he is saying how country music is
> > christian
> > > bsecause it came out of gospel music, but rock music is
> > evil
> > > because it is weird and you cant worship to it...or as
> he
> > > called it the modern rock noise stuff most christian
> teens
> >
> > > are listing too these days? now why is the high and
> mighty
> >
> > > rev swaggert saying that rockabilly is ok..he actually
> > said
> > > that! but rock music is not..which rocabilly is rock
> music
> >
> > > but thats beside the point. why is he still on this kick
>
> > > after all these years. we all know, well those of us
> over
> > 25
> > > anyway, that he is not a good example of anything!!! why
>
> > is
> > > he doing this? and why did it upset me so :)..must calm
> > down
> > > now...
> >
> > Unfortunately, Jimmy Swaggart isn't the only one who's
> > gotten caught up in this thinking that christian
> > rock/christian rap, etc is the "Devil's music". Churches,
> > and to some extent church members, have embraced this sort
>
> > of thinking for quite a while now. I've been to churches
> who
> > believe that if it's not southern gospel or hymns, then it
>
> > doesn't belong in the worship service. They are very much
> > adamant about not having any sort of contemporary music in
>
> > their services. They don't seem to understand, though,
> that
> > worship is from the heart, and it doesn't have to do with
> > the particular musical style you use. God wants us to
> > worship Him from the heart, not by choosing a particular
> > musical style. I personally don't care for a lot of the
> > harder Christian rock and christian rap (or the secular
> > versions, either), but that's just my personal tastes. I
> > know there are people who enjoy christian rock/christian
> > rap, and if it's used for the glory of God, Amen for it,
> > even though I might not personally like those types of
> > music. I don't believe people should make spiritual
> > judgments about a particular type of music just because
> it's
> > based on their personal tastes. We're not here to worship
> > God the way we want, but the way He wants.
> >
> > I tell my wife a lot when people start complaining about
> > Christian rock and rap, etc, saying it's of Satan, that
> > they're going to be a lot of surprised people in Heaven
> when
> > some of those same songs they've been insisting are evil,
> > are going to be sung up in Heaven. :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************************************
> >
> > There'll be no radio in Heaven.
> > Will you be there??
> > www.EternalChoice.org
> > www.PassTheWord.net
> >
>
> The anti-CCM crowd can ruin what had been a good CCM station
> as well. WAJJ 89.3 in McKenzie, TN had been a CHR CCM
> station, but it was sold to the owners of WSOF in
> Madisonville, KY who have changed it to a platform for
> KJV-Only and anti-CCM preachers. I knew that when they took
> over this would happen, because of their reputation. I let
> the new owners know that I was disappointed in the changes
> and that I would not support their station because of their
> KJV Only and anti-CCM attitudes, and was pretty much treated
> as if they could care less, and they didn't need my support
> anyway.
>
> However, I don't blame them nearly as much since it was
> already known what they would do. Most of the blame goes on
> the previous owners, who never let listeners know that there
> was a need for more money to stay on, never made any serious
> effort to try to find a buyer who would keep a CCM format,
> and especially because they sold to a group that they knew
> was anti-CCM and would change the station to what it is now
> with no apparent thought about it.
>
> I've said this before, but when the KJVO and anti-CCM people
> get to Heaven, I hope their next door neighbor turns out to
> be a long haired, NIV toting Christian rock singer. :)
>
Amen to that last sentence.

RDP <><
 
Hey CCM fan ---

> The anti-CCM crowd can ruin what had been a good CCM station
> as well.

Was that your only CCM station? I can help you become an "FM-DX'er" if you want. Given your location - Tennessee - there is good chance you are in fringe range of a WAY-FM outlet. Even translators can be heard 60 to 70 miles away. I have done full-power stations up to 300 miles away or more.

At one time - I even put up a web site on how to DX a nearby FM station, when traditionalists tried to jam it. The site is still up, even though I moved:

http://www.mindspring.com/~brucec/z88recep.htm

You could take what you learn, and put flyers in your church, hand them out to youth groups, etc. on how to DX the nearest CCM station. In that way, you could make it a personal ministry to minimize the impact of the format change on your station. You should know that in my pre-Christian days - I started a movement in my hometown of Midland to DX FM stations from Dallas, 350 miles away. Large antennas appeared all over town, and oil-rich kids had tuners and receivers capable of pulling in the distant stations.

I even was magnanimous enough to tell Calvary Chapel church people here in Dallas how to DX their weak station from Decatur, by urging them to buy GE Superadio 3's. Even though I don't enjoy their traditional music. It is nice to empower people to hear music that deepens their walk with the Lord.

I have even parked my car - with the bumper sticker of the local Christian rock station - in the church parking lot of a church that I attended briefly that was anti-CCM. No vandalism happened - a pleasant surprise!
 
Re: Hey CCM fan ---

> > The anti-CCM crowd can ruin what had been a good CCM
> station
> > as well.
>
> Was that your only CCM station? I can help you become an
> "FM-DX'er" if you want. Given your location - Tennessee -
> there is good chance you are in fringe range of a WAY-FM
> outlet. Even translators can be heard 60 to 70 miles away.
> I have done full-power stations up to 300 miles away or
> more.
>
> At one time - I even put up a web site on how to DX a nearby
> FM station, when traditionalists tried to jam it. The site
> is still up, even though I moved:
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~brucec/z88recep.htm
>
> You could take what you learn, and put flyers in your
> church, hand them out to youth groups, etc. on how to DX the
> nearest CCM station. In that way, you could make it a
> personal ministry to minimize the impact of the format
> change on your station. You should know that in my
> pre-Christian days - I started a movement in my hometown of
> Midland to DX FM stations from Dallas, 350 miles away.
> Large antennas appeared all over town, and oil-rich kids had
> tuners and receivers capable of pulling in the distant
> stations.
>
> I even was magnanimous enough to tell Calvary Chapel church
> people here in Dallas how to DX their weak station from
> Decatur, by urging them to buy GE Superadio 3's. Even
> though I don't enjoy their traditional music. It is nice to
> empower people to hear music that deepens their walk with
> the Lord.
>
> I have even parked my car - with the bumper sticker of the
> local Christian rock station - in the church parking lot of
> a church that I attended briefly that was anti-CCM. No
> vandalism happened - a pleasant surprise!
>

Bruce,
Thanks for the link. Actually I live in a good area for CCM radio now, and it's just been in the past 6 years or so that it has happened, although most of it is AC except for WAY-FM. I drive a lot in my work, so I get to hear most of the CCM stations in my area, including WAY-FM.

It's just that WAJJ had the best CHR mix of any station in the area, even better than WAY-FM. Their main shortcomings were they were low power and were almost totally automated. I only could get them when I was in part of the area where I work, but I liked getting to hear them when I could. The fact that they sold to an anti-CCM group was the worst thing they could do, and that still bugs me. However like I've said before the previous owners deserve most of the blame. I really don't blame the new owners for taking advantage of the opportunity to get a new station, although I still think it's terrible what they have become.
 
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