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The Fox/Time Warner Cable carriage dispute

jal41

jal41

I am surprised no one has brought this up, although only New York, Los Angeles, and Dallas appear to be affected. This is the most talked about retransmission dispute in a couple of years.

In short...Fox wants $$$$$ for carriage of its O&O's...Time Warner Cable balked and launched a public media campaign called "Roll Over or Get Tough"...Fox doesn't back down...Fox refuses an interim carriage agreement...Sen. John Kerry threatens the FCC on Fox because football would be threatened.

With just hours to go, it looks like WNYW/WWOR/KTTV/KCOP/KDFW/KDFI will go dark on Time Warner Cable systems. Don't know if the Fox cable channels are affected or not. Fox and News Corp are firm in their desire for $$$$$$$$.
 
Tampa And Orlando are also affected (Bright House Networks customers). WTVT Tampa and WOFL Orlando are both owned by Fox, and Bright House gets it's cable programming from Time Warner. This means many Gator fans will have to scramble to see Friday's Sugar Bowl.
 
Obtuse1 said:
Tampa And Orlando are also affected (Bright House Networks customers). WTVT Tampa and WOFL Orlando are both owned by Fox, and Bright House gets it's cable programming from Time Warner.
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Same for Detroit's western suburbs, which will see WJBK dropped from the Bright House system there if a solution was not found.
 
Both parties are screaming about money...yet both sides have also spent thousands and thousands of dollars on full page newspaper ads both in major cities and in USA Today, trashing the other party.

A pox on both your houses. Truthfully, if DirecTV wouldn't go dark everytime it rained down here in Florida...which is to say, every afternoon in the summer, I'd throw dishes across my house.

Both companies make a disgusting amount of money, and this has gotten way out of hand.
 
I remember awhile ago .here with Comcast was threaten by from cable programing providers to pull the plug by the first of the year,but they settled before the deadline.It wasn't FOX ,I think it was Viacom "MTV Networks",I might be wrong.
 
It's after midnight here in the Tampa area and all the Fox channels are on the air on my Bright House/Time Warner cable system.
 
The Chicago Tribune and the Associated Press are reporting that Fox granted a "brief extension" to Time Warner Cable for the time being. Also, in the same article it reports that Sinclair and Mediacom Cable agreed to an extension involving CBS and Fox affiliates in their common markets.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-ap-us-tec-cable-tv-dispute,0,4676419.story

Of course, Chicago is a Comcast market, and the closest Time Warner systems are in the areas midway between there and Milwaukee, itself a Time Warner market. Fox no longer also its Milwaukee station (WITI), but they do own Fox Sports Wisconsin, but they're on a separate deal and wouldn't be affected.
 
Studio20 said:
Both parties are screaming about money...yet both sides have also spent thousands and thousands of dollars on full page newspaper ads both in major cities and in USA Today, trashing the other party.
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Not just in "major cities." I've spent the past week in Fort Wayne, Indiana, which is solidly Comcast country, and yet the two local papers carried Fox's full-page ads for several days running...even though there's essentially no TWC territory anywhere those papers circulate. Go figure.
 
Scott Fybush said:
I've spent the past week in Fort Wayne, Indiana, which is solidly Comcast country, and yet the two local papers carried Fox's full-page ads for several days running...even though there's essentially no TWC territory anywhere those papers circulate. Go figure.
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What about Defiance, Ohio, whose county is on the Indiana state line and is immediately northeast of Allen County, Indiana (Fort Wayne's county)? They're a Time Warner community; considering the closeness, I would think the Fort Wayne papers are sold there, and the ads are focused on them.

On the other hand, if the ads specifically say "Fort Wayne", then I call "shenannigans".
 
azumanga said:
Scott Fybush said:
I've spent the past week in Fort Wayne, Indiana, which is solidly Comcast country, and yet the two local papers carried Fox's full-page ads for several days running...even though there's essentially no TWC territory anywhere those papers circulate. Go figure.
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What about Defiance, Ohio, whose county is on the Indiana state line and is immediately northeast of Allen County, Indiana (Fort Wayne's county)? They're a Time Warner community; considering the closeness, I would think the Fort Wayne papers are sold there, and the ads are focused on them.

On the other hand, if the ads specifically say "Fort Wayne", then I call "shenannigans".
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According to the Fort Wayne market, only Van Wert & Paulding Counties in Ohio are part of the Fort Wayne Market. Defiance County can receive a Grade B signal of Fort Wayne stations, and there's a chance Fort Wayne stations are on cable. Since Defiance County isn't part of the Fort Wayne market, cable companies aren't required to carry Fort Wayne stations, unless there's some kind of a waiver that they can. Defiance County turns out to be part of the Toledo market. The Fox station in Toledo is owned by Lin Broadcasting. So I don't believe they're affected.
 
It's wall to wall Time Warner between Cincinnati, Dayton and Columbus so we've heard that a lot as well as Dish hoping to grab some subscribers. All Fox product present and accounted for today.
 
The newspapers haven't been making the situation clear. I walked out for my paper this morning and the story was on the front page--to get to my house on time they couldn't have told us whether there was a last-minute deal--but at least they made clear we won't lose Fox here. Good thing, since the pixilation is annoying on the digital channel. I just don't have the antenna turned right because the channels that aren't on cable are in the other direction. The Fox affiliate in that direction can be very good and it can be a mess. Walking in front of the antenna usually messes it up.
 
It's not as bad since only HGTV and Food Network is affected, but Cablevision yanked HGTV and Food Network thanks to a dispute with Scripps. I don't have a horse in this race since my cable company is Comcast, but I'm siding with Scripps since Cablevision screwed New York viewers out of Yankees games when The YES Network first launched. These days to my knowledge only DISH NETWORK customers are out of luck when it comes to the Yankees. I believe they're the only provider in YES's service area that doesn't carry it.
 
Time Warner rep was on WLW yesterday or the day before explaining the situation. Don't know that he did that great of job explaining how we are going to lose channels like the Fox Soccer Channel, which very few care about. He did indicate that a lot of people were under the impression that they would lose the local Fox over-the-air affiliate, which is not correct. Jack Bauer will be waterboarding the bad guys as planned.

Last year WDTN, the NBC affiliate, was pulled from the TWC lineup. Before the November sweeps (and after WDTN helped Dish get a bunch of new subscribers), kum-ba-yahs were sung and WDTN was back.
 
Dave said:
According to the Fort Wayne market, only Van Wert & Paulding Counties in Ohio are part of the Fort Wayne Market.[/color]
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Though they're Time Warner communities, as well (according to Zap2It).
 
jal41 said:
In short...Fox wants $$$$$ for carriage of its O&O's...Time Warner Cable balked and launched a public media campaign called "Roll Over or Get Tough"...Fox doesn't back down...Fox refuses an interim carriage agreement...Sen. John Kerry threatens the FCC on Fox because football would be threatened.

Fox and News Corp are firm in their desire for $$$$$$$$.
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And???
HMMM...lemme see here...with them working in cahoots with CC radio (and you cannot brodcast Rush without a Fox News Radio affiliation)..it's clearly visible that Rupie has an agenda!!!
 
I don't know when Fox's deal is up for renewal in Chicagoland/NW Indiana, as Fox Chicago is O&O. Comcast is the cable service in in the market, with WOW (Wide Open West) & RCN in parts of Chicago (maybe a few nearby suburbs) also in parts of the market. All 4 networks & WGN-TV were seeking large sums of money to carry their stations back in the late 90's, that there was a chance some of us had to get our outdoor antennas setup again. I know some people in my area don't want to go back to outdoor antennas, but that could happen. That has happened in my immediate Comcast service area, as they don't carry any of the Chicago DTV subchannels, except for Weigel's MeTV & MeToo.
 
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