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The Future Of Radio: Rock Is Out, Latin In As Industry Reinvents Itself

Re: Yawn. More CCU hype.

> The Future Of Radio: Rock Is Out, Latin In As Industry
> Reinvents Itself
http://www.mtv.c> om/news/articles/1513542/20051111/index.jhtml?headlines=true

All this says, with numerous inaccuracies, is that fomrats and music tastes change. This has been happening since 1022.
>
>
> How long have I been saying this? Maybe MTV (the network
> that has its pulse on popluar trends) will convince you.
> What will it take?

Convince us of what? That some formats fade, and others take their place? Standards is dead, Beautiful Music is dead, MOR is dead, odies is dying, AAA is pretty much dead save a half dozen markets, etc., etc. Hip hop is all over the place, and the 14% of America that is Hispnanic can now propel staitons into good ratings positions. Big news. Yawn.
>
> Very nice Mega 101 mention.

Huh? It just says it is a year old. It does not say its numbers tanked through the Summer book, and that CCU may be thinking of putting Spanish oldies on it because it is selling next to nothing, less than hal of what Rock 101 sold.

> I like it when Clear Channel
> finally gets some good press.

Slurp. Big sucking sound coming from Houston. I have to lett Scott Adams know about you. You belong in a Dilbert strip.

> When you're at the top, I
> guess people hate you.

When you exaggerate and substitute puffery for the truth, people hate you.
 
Re: Yawn. More CCU hype.

> > The Future Of Radio: Rock Is Out, Latin In As Industry
> > Reinvents Itself
> http://www.mtv.c>
> om/news/articles/1513542/20051111/index.jhtml?headlines=true
>
>
> All this says, with numerous inaccuracies, is that fomrats
> and music tastes change. This has been happening since 1022.
>
> >
> >
> > How long have I been saying this? Maybe MTV (the network
> > that has its pulse on popluar trends) will convince you.
> > What will it take?
>
> Convince us of what? That some formats fade, and others take
> their place? Standards is dead, Beautiful Music is dead, MOR
> is dead, odies is dying, AAA is pretty much dead save a half
> dozen markets, etc., etc. Hip hop is all over the place, and
> the 14% of America that is Hispnanic can now propel staitons
> into good ratings positions. Big news. Yawn.
> >
> > Very nice Mega 101 mention.
>
> Huh? It just says it is a year old. It does not say its
> numbers tanked through the Summer book, and that CCU may be
> thinking of putting Spanish oldies on it because it is
> selling next to nothing, less than hal of what Rock 101
> sold.
>
> > I like it when Clear Channel
> > finally gets some good press.
>
> Slurp. Big sucking sound coming from Houston. I have to lett
> Scott Adams know about you. You belong in a Dilbert strip.
>
> > When you're at the top, I
> > guess people hate you.
>
> When you exaggerate and substitute puffery for the truth,
> people hate you.
>
Right On, David.
 
Re: Yawn. More CCU hype.

> > > The Future Of Radio: Rock Is Out, Latin In As Industry
> > > Reinvents Itself
> > http://www.mtv.c>
> >
> om/news/articles/1513542/20051111/index.jhtml?headlines=true
>
> >
> >
> > All this says, with numerous inaccuracies, is that fomrats
>
> > and music tastes change. This has been happening since
> 1022.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > How long have I been saying this? Maybe MTV (the
> network
> > > that has its pulse on popluar trends) will convince you.
>
> > > What will it take?
> >
> > Convince us of what? That some formats fade, and others
> take
> > their place? Standards is dead, Beautiful Music is dead,
> MOR
> > is dead, odies is dying, AAA is pretty much dead save a
> half
> > dozen markets, etc., etc. Hip hop is all over the place,
> and
> > the 14% of America that is Hispnanic can now propel
> staitons
> > into good ratings positions. Big news. Yawn.
> > >
> > > Very nice Mega 101 mention.
> >
> > Huh? It just says it is a year old. It does not say its
> > numbers tanked through the Summer book, and that CCU may
> be
> > thinking of putting Spanish oldies on it because it is
> > selling next to nothing, less than hal of what Rock 101
> > sold.
> >
> > > I like it when Clear Channel
> > > finally gets some good press.
> >
> > Slurp. Big sucking sound coming from Houston. I have to
> lett
> > Scott Adams know about you. You belong in a Dilbert strip.
>
> >
> > > When you're at the top, I
> > > guess people hate you.
> >
> > When you exaggerate and substitute puffery for the truth,
> > people hate you.
> >
> Right On, David.
>
amen to that
 
Re: Yawn. More CCU hype.

> > > > The Future Of Radio: Rock Is Out, Latin In As Industry
>
> > > > Reinvents Itself
> > > http://www.mtv.c>
> > >
> >
> om/news/articles/1513542/20051111/index.jhtml?headlines=true
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > All this says, with numerous inaccuracies, is that
> fomrats
> >
> > > and music tastes change. This has been happening since
> > 1022.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How long have I been saying this? Maybe MTV (the
> > network
> > > > that has its pulse on popluar trends) will convince
> you.
> >
> > > > What will it take?
> > >
> > > Convince us of what? That some formats fade, and others
> > take
> > > their place? Standards is dead, Beautiful Music is dead,
>
> > MOR
> > > is dead, odies is dying, AAA is pretty much dead save a
> > half
> > > dozen markets, etc., etc. Hip hop is all over the place,
>
> > and
> > > the 14% of America that is Hispnanic can now propel
> > staitons
> > > into good ratings positions. Big news. Yawn.
> > > >
> > > > Very nice Mega 101 mention.
> > >
> > > Huh? It just says it is a year old. It does not say its
> > > numbers tanked through the Summer book, and that CCU may
>
> > be
> > > thinking of putting Spanish oldies on it because it is
> > > selling next to nothing, less than hal of what Rock 101
> > > sold.
> > >
> > > > I like it when Clear Channel
> > > > finally gets some good press.
> > >
> > > Slurp. Big sucking sound coming from Houston. I have to
> > lett
> > > Scott Adams know about you. You belong in a Dilbert
> strip.
> >
> > >
> > > > When you're at the top, I
> > > > guess people hate you.
> > >
> > > When you exaggerate and substitute puffery for the
> truth,
> > > people hate you.
> > >
> > Right On, David.
> >
> amen to that
>

Good response, David. I'm afraid that your response is probably lost on anyone associated with Clear Channel, however.
 
Re: Yawn. More CCU hype.

> > > > > The Future Of Radio: Rock Is Out, Latin In As
> Industry
> >
> > > > > Reinvents Itself
> > > > http://www.mtv.c>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> om/news/articles/1513542/20051111/index.jhtml?headlines=true
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All this says, with numerous inaccuracies, is that
> > fomrats
> > >
> > > > and music tastes change. This has been happening since
>
> > > 1022.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How long have I been saying this? Maybe MTV (the
> > > network
> > > > > that has its pulse on popluar trends) will convince
> > you.
> > >
> > > > > What will it take?
> > > >
> > > > Convince us of what? That some formats fade, and
> others
> > > take
> > > > their place? Standards is dead, Beautiful Music is
> dead,
> >
> > > MOR
> > > > is dead, odies is dying, AAA is pretty much dead save
> a
> > > half
> > > > dozen markets, etc., etc. Hip hop is all over the
> place,
> >
> > > and
> > > > the 14% of America that is Hispnanic can now propel
> > > staitons
> > > > into good ratings positions. Big news. Yawn.
> > > > >
> > > > > Very nice Mega 101 mention.
> > > >
> > > > Huh? It just says it is a year old. It does not say
> its
> > > > numbers tanked through the Summer book, and that CCU
> may
> >
> > > be
> > > > thinking of putting Spanish oldies on it because it is
>
> > > > selling next to nothing, less than hal of what Rock
> 101
> > > > sold.
> > > >
> > > > > I like it when Clear Channel
> > > > > finally gets some good press.
> > > >
> > > > Slurp. Big sucking sound coming from Houston. I have
> to
> > > lett
> > > > Scott Adams know about you. You belong in a Dilbert
> > strip.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > When you're at the top, I
> > > > > guess people hate you.
> > > >
> > > > When you exaggerate and substitute puffery for the
> > truth,
> > > > people hate you.
> > > >
> > > Right On, David.
> > >
> > amen to that
> >
>
> Good response, David. I'm afraid that your response is
> probably lost on anyone associated with Clear Channel,
> however.
>
In reality, as David knows, money talks and HBC (Univision Radio) has been doing it longer and better than anyone old and new. My clients' money has always been on Univision (HBC). I tried Mega, as I have posted before, but you can't beat the consisitency of Univision for results. Clear Answer: You would be more credible if you were making these sorts of posts after, say, 5 years of success. After all you are Clear Channel, and my guess is you will not be with them in 5 years. Remember what loyalty at Clear Channel gets you: FIRED!
 
Re: Yawn. More CCU hype.

> In reality, as David knows, money talks and HBC (Univision
> Radio) has been doing it longer and better than anyone old
> and new.

And it's pretty obvious that many of the stations that compete against HBC/Univision are primarily staffed by the people who couldn't make the cut at HBC/Univision. They set the bar pretty high over there, whether it's sales, programming, or engineering.

(As to Mega, I have no idea if their staff has any former Univision people... this observation is more relevant to SBS.)<P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
Re: Yawn. More CCU hype.

> >
> In reality, as David knows, money talks and HBC (Univision
> Radio) has been doing it longer and better than anyone old
> and new. My clients' money has always been on Univision
> (HBC). I tried Mega, as I have posted before, but you can't
> beat the consisitency of Univision for results. Clear
> Answer: You would be more credible if you were making these
> sorts of posts after, say, 5 years of success. After all
> you are Clear Channel, and my guess is you will not be with
> them in 5 years. Remember what loyalty at Clear Channel
> gets you: FIRED!

Not only have both of your posts "made my day" but I have to agree with you about the unjoyful influence that CC has made on the entire industry. The recent dismissal of John Gheron in Chicago points out that they are more interested in bean counting than good radio.
>
 
Re: Yawn. More CCU hype.

> (As to Mega, I have no idea if their staff has any former
> Univision people...

It does, including some former sellers and air talent.

> this observation is more relevant to
> SBS.)

Part of this is the issue that there is not a big enough talent pool in Hispanic radio to support the growth in number of stations in recent years, so ther eis going to be a lot of "harvesting" of each other's staff.
 
news flash for clearanswer,your companey clearchannel must not think that
rock is dead,last i heard they still have two rock stations in houston,just for your info cc calls them the buzz and the arrow,so please stop the bs.
 
News flash for you. The Buzz is alternative rock, the Arrow is classic rock. What is dead is AOR. That's different. Clear Channel stuck with the winners and dumped the losers.

I don't work for Clear Channel either - just state what I observe.

> news flash for clearanswer,your companey clearchannel must
> not think that
> rock is dead,last i heard they still have two rock stations
> in houston,just for your info cc calls them the buzz and the
> arrow,so please stop the bs.
>
 
> News flash for you. The Buzz is alternative rock,

oh thats funny! The Buzz is FAR from being alternative!!! drop the Staind and Nickelback and it might work.

>the Arrow is classic rock. What is dead is AOR.

another one...didn't classic rock use to be album rock???? is the Arrow promoting the 30th aniversary package of the Bruce Springsteen classic "Born to Run"??? I don't think so. are they going ot be at Paul McCartney this week??? I don't think so.

That's different.
> Clear Channel stuck with the winners and dumped the losers.

nope...Clear Channel just sucks!<P ID="signature">______________

"I'll see you Left of the Dial!"</P>
 
News flash for YOU.

> are they (KKRW) going ot be at Paul McCartney this week???

Yes. Live from 3 to 7.
 
Guys - its still a foreign language. English speaking people could care less about Spanish stations. Dead spot on the dial. I'm glad its there for those folks, but - YAWN.

Actually - the only Houston station that makes it up here to Plano with any reliability is KOVE 106.5, and I kind of like the music. I even catch some of the words. But I doubt they have very many English only listeners.
 
Allow me to add to this circus...

Clear Answer, I think you overlook part of why the article contradicts itself.
The sources in that story make an effort to point out that 2 or 3 rock stations flipping does not signal the demise of the format.
I think you and record sales numbers need to make acquaintance. Numbers are down across the board as people have less income to spend on music, even when it's offered at $9.99 the first week of release at Best Buy.

Rock records have been hanging in there with everything else. Nickelback, System of a Down, Dave Matthews, NIN, Weezer--just a small snapshot of the pretty encouraging sales for rock artists. Rock is also a broad term, just like jazz or Latin.

Latino music styles would be more accurate as there are hundreds of different styles and dialects of music that could be called Latin.

The alternative and AOR stations that have dropped were cut becuase the demos weren't there to support the format.
For some strange reason, the nation's largest radio market just isn't prone to supporting a successful alt. rock station. This is a point of misery for fans of the music who live in the city and also bands like Depechemode and even Linkin Park who still sell out major venues there, despite a lacking presence of modern rock radio.

Stations change because populations change...big deal.

Yeah, so Y100 and HFS flipped. A few tears were shed, but the people with brains got on with their lives.

I think the problem with your eagerness to flaunt this MTV article is that your analysis and the article itself miss the greater point of context.
You're talking about a small part of the whole equation.

It would be like saying SA has an active rocker that is a ratings juggernaut and they play lots of Pantera, so every radio market in the country should have an active rocker that plays a lot of Pantera.
You can use this example for any music style, but the point remains the same.

Markets have different kinds of station because they naturally are different.

Rock is NOT dead...there are NO facts, that when put in current context, would EVER agree with you.
 
> The Future Of Radio: Rock Is Out, Latin In As Industry
> Reinvents Itself
>http://www.mtv.c> om/news/articles/1513542/20051111/index.jhtml?headlines=true

Aah, another wonderful BS press release some moron got another moron to put in print.


> How long have I been saying this? Maybe MTV (the network
> that has its pulse on popluar trends) will convince you.
> What will it take?

MTV? Popular trends? Sure, buddy, both my kids really watch MTV!

>
> Very nice Mega 101 mention. I like it when Clear Channel
> finally gets some good press. When you're at the top, I
> guess people hate you.

When you gut the industry and screw it up for everyone else, of course they hate you.
 
Re: Allow me to add to this circus...

> Rock is also a broad term, just like
> jazz or Latin.

Exactly. Nine Inch Nails and The Beatles can both be considered Rock artists.

One genre or another may ebb and flow over time, but the genre itself is healthy.

In the case of WHFS and KLOL, the problem wasn't demand for the music, it was that there was little demand for the station over better programmed competitors. Both were heritage stations well removed from their glory days.

As for who's billing what, I'll leave that analysis to people who actually see numbers. <P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
Re: Allow me to add to this circus...

> > Rock is also a broad term, just like
> > jazz or Latin.
>
> Exactly. Nine Inch Nails and The Beatles can both be
> considered Rock artists.
>
> One genre or another may ebb and flow over time, but the
> genre itself is healthy.
>
> In the case of WHFS and KLOL, the problem wasn't demand for
> the music, it was that there was little demand for the
> station over better programmed competitors. Both were
> heritage stations well removed from their glory days.
>
> As for who's billing what, I'll leave that analysis to
> people who actually see numbers.
>
well said and amen
 
I believe the future of regular radio is in Latin, but that's because most educated people have given up on radio. Not being racist, but while traditional radio is focusing on the Latin teenagers, the more educated people, caucasion, Latino, whatever, are moving over to satellite and iPod.

The future of radio is really grim overall. Clear Channel is going for the lowest common demoninator and making traditional radio lose thousands of listeners every month.

Clear Channel is in denial.

> The Future Of Radio: Rock Is Out, Latin In As Industry
> Reinvents Itself
http://www.mtv.c> om/news/articles/1513542/20051111/index.jhtml?headlines=true
>
>
> How long have I been saying this? Maybe MTV (the network
> that has its pulse on popluar trends) will convince you.
> What will it take?
>
> Very nice Mega 101 mention. I like it when Clear Channel
> finally gets some good press. When you're at the top, I
> guess people hate you.
>
 
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