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The Globe Pulls A Zakaria On WBUR
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In an emailed column to his followers, Howie Carr reveals that the perpetrator, Joan Vennochi,
has suspended for two weeks. The paper would not reveal who it was but Howie says he got that
info from multiple sources.
has suspended for two weeks. The paper would not reveal who it was but Howie says he got that
info from multiple sources.
Suspended for plagiarizing a column about a plagiarist? ;D
above it says (she) has been suspended for two weeks.
Interesting: (and if some are tired of me talking about Howie feel free to skip this post, thanks): The Herald has not seen fit to publish the article Howie wrote on his email list naming Vennochi (he also mentioned her name on air). In today's Herald there is an article about how the Globe is tight-lipped about mentioning the name of the writer who plagiarized. I noted that the Globe PUBLISHES the Herald (many editions). I don't know if the Herald's afraid of upsetting them. If it isn't Vennochi,
Howie has egg on his face. If it is, why is the Herald holding back?
Imagine this:
--Howie Carr plagiarizes and is suspended by the Herald for 2 weeks
--The Herald refuses to mention he has been suspended. Readers assume he's on vacation.
--Someone at the Globe finds out but the Globe for some reason decides not to publish
his/her column naming Carr.
Of course if my "don't want to upset the folks who print and distribute our paper" scenario is
true, what if it were the other way around--the Herald is the one who prints & distributes the
Globe, and a Globe writer would be held back from publishing this info for fear of reprisals?
Jim Romanesko and Dan Kennedy have been commenting on this and you can see it on their
blogs and in Facebook. (Jim was just mentioning on the latter that no other outlet, like the
Phoenix "which once aggressively covered the Globe...has named her"
Howie has egg on his face. If it is, why is the Herald holding back?
Imagine this:
--Howie Carr plagiarizes and is suspended by the Herald for 2 weeks
--The Herald refuses to mention he has been suspended. Readers assume he's on vacation.
--Someone at the Globe finds out but the Globe for some reason decides not to publish
his/her column naming Carr.
Of course if my "don't want to upset the folks who print and distribute our paper" scenario is
true, what if it were the other way around--the Herald is the one who prints & distributes the
Globe, and a Globe writer would be held back from publishing this info for fear of reprisals?
Jim Romanesko and Dan Kennedy have been commenting on this and you can see it on their
blogs and in Facebook. (Jim was just mentioning on the latter that no other outlet, like the
Phoenix "which once aggressively covered the Globe...has named her"
Why would a featured columnist be writing editorials? Perhaps those with a mancrush on Carr might want to ponder that one. Unlike the Herald, the Globe expects columnists to do some reporting, rather than merely run off at the mouth a la Carr. The paper also apparently has a policy against people from the news side writing editorials. In fact, the editorial page editor has historically reported to the publisher, and not the editor.
And while we're at it, whatever happened to the Globe ombudsman? God knows Dan Kennedy has been trying to audition for the job for years...
And while we're at it, whatever happened to the Globe ombudsman? God knows Dan Kennedy has been trying to audition for the job for years...
I don't know why a feat. columnist would run editorials but apparently this was indeed in an editorial not a column. Still the perpetrator was suspended. Whether or not I have a mancrush on Howie I think he does do reporting--as part of his columns, and books etc.
Why would a featured columnist be writing editorials?
Just a guess, but maybe when that columnist is a member of the Globe editorial board and writing editorials is part of her job description. The problem here is that they are supposed to be her's, and not someone else's, words and opinions.
Perhaps those with a mancrush on Carr might want to ponder that one.
Nobody has ever accused me of having a mancrush on Carr, but I didn't have to ponder this one very long to come up with the answer.
Unlike the Herald, the Globe expects columnists to do some reporting, rather than merely run off at the mouth a la Carr.
Actually, newspapers pay ‘opinion’ columnists for opinions, not reportage. That's why they are called “opinion” columnists. Reportage is not a requirement, although the opinions are, ideally, supposed to be informed, which may require some research.
You've obviously never read a Globe The paper also apparently has a policy against people from the news side writing editorials.
I don’t believe the Globe has a policy against people on the editorial board writing editorials, since it is part of what they pay them to do. Perhaps folks think that Globe editorials write themselves. Since you obviously read the Globe, I’ll defer to your expertise on this matter.
In fact, the editorial page editor has historically reported to the publisher, and not the editor.
Nope. The editorial page editor traditionally reports to the editor-in-chief (who is usually the only, or one of the few, direct reports to the publisher), and the editorial writers report to the editorial page editor. What large papers actually strive to have is an ethical ‘Chinese wall’ separating news from opinion, but everyone who writes anything that goes into the paper reports to the editor-in-chief (or whatever title that person carries at the newspaper.)
And while we're at it, whatever happened to the Globe ombudsman?
Whatever happened to the Radio-info ombudsman?
Regards,
TSB
Just a guess, but maybe when that columnist is a member of the Globe editorial board and writing editorials is part of her job description. The problem here is that they are supposed to be her's, and not someone else's, words and opinions.
Perhaps those with a mancrush on Carr might want to ponder that one.
Nobody has ever accused me of having a mancrush on Carr, but I didn't have to ponder this one very long to come up with the answer.
Unlike the Herald, the Globe expects columnists to do some reporting, rather than merely run off at the mouth a la Carr.
Actually, newspapers pay ‘opinion’ columnists for opinions, not reportage. That's why they are called “opinion” columnists. Reportage is not a requirement, although the opinions are, ideally, supposed to be informed, which may require some research.
You've obviously never read a Globe The paper also apparently has a policy against people from the news side writing editorials.
I don’t believe the Globe has a policy against people on the editorial board writing editorials, since it is part of what they pay them to do. Perhaps folks think that Globe editorials write themselves. Since you obviously read the Globe, I’ll defer to your expertise on this matter.
In fact, the editorial page editor has historically reported to the publisher, and not the editor.
Nope. The editorial page editor traditionally reports to the editor-in-chief (who is usually the only, or one of the few, direct reports to the publisher), and the editorial writers report to the editorial page editor. What large papers actually strive to have is an ethical ‘Chinese wall’ separating news from opinion, but everyone who writes anything that goes into the paper reports to the editor-in-chief (or whatever title that person carries at the newspaper.)
And while we're at it, whatever happened to the Globe ombudsman?
Whatever happened to the Radio-info ombudsman?
Regards,
TSB
Dan Kennedy's blog:
http://dankennedy.net/2012/09/04/poynter-weighs-in-on-globes-lifted-editorial/
>>It strikes me that this would have been a one-day story if the Globe had simply announced who did it, whether that person had been disciplined and, if so, what the punishment was. The borrowing from Domke’s piece looks to me more like extreme sloppiness than classic plagiarism.
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Had this happened with Howie plagiarizing in a column for the Herald I would hope that should the paper suspend him for it, they would acknowledge it... "For the Record".
>>Perhaps those with a mancrush on Carr might want to ponder that one.
I like his columns and show but that doesn't mean I have a mancrush on him (though Chris Wallace did say just that years ago on Howie's show, talking about Romney. "He is an enormously attractive...guy," said Chris. When Howie gave him grief on it, Wallace asked him "Is there no man that you have a mancrush on?" Howie played the clips a number of names. Wallace eventually stopped appearing on Howie's show.).
>>an ethical ‘Chinese wall’ separating news from opinion,
I remember my Dad, a Democrat, cancelling his subscription to the Lynn Item when he got upset during the 1988 presidential campaign. It was probably a column not an editorial piece but the big headline on page 1 read "Mike Dukakis, You're No Jack Kennedy Either" (Dukakis'
running mate, Lloyd Bentsen, had said to VP candidate Dan Quayle, "Senator, you're no Jack
Kennedy"). It upset him enough to call the paper and unsubscribe.
http://dankennedy.net/2012/09/04/poynter-weighs-in-on-globes-lifted-editorial/
>>It strikes me that this would have been a one-day story if the Globe had simply announced who did it, whether that person had been disciplined and, if so, what the punishment was. The borrowing from Domke’s piece looks to me more like extreme sloppiness than classic plagiarism.
----
Had this happened with Howie plagiarizing in a column for the Herald I would hope that should the paper suspend him for it, they would acknowledge it... "For the Record".
>>Perhaps those with a mancrush on Carr might want to ponder that one.
I like his columns and show but that doesn't mean I have a mancrush on him (though Chris Wallace did say just that years ago on Howie's show, talking about Romney. "He is an enormously attractive...guy," said Chris. When Howie gave him grief on it, Wallace asked him "Is there no man that you have a mancrush on?" Howie played the clips a number of names. Wallace eventually stopped appearing on Howie's show.).
>>an ethical ‘Chinese wall’ separating news from opinion,
I remember my Dad, a Democrat, cancelling his subscription to the Lynn Item when he got upset during the 1988 presidential campaign. It was probably a column not an editorial piece but the big headline on page 1 read "Mike Dukakis, You're No Jack Kennedy Either" (Dukakis'
running mate, Lloyd Bentsen, had said to VP candidate Dan Quayle, "Senator, you're no Jack
Kennedy"). It upset him enough to call the paper and unsubscribe.
interesting Chris Wallace trivia from Wikipedia:
>>Wallace was born in Chicago, Illinois. He is the son of Mike Wallace, longtime CBS 60 Minutes reporter, and Norma Kaphan. His parents divorced when he was one year old.[2] He grew up with his stepfather, future CBS News President Bill Leonard.He did not develop a relationship with his biological father until the age of 14. Wallace attended Harvard College. He first reported news on-air for WHRB, the student radio station at Harvard. He memorably covered the 1969 occupation of University Hall by students and was detained by Cambridge police, using his one phone call to sign off a report from Cambridge City Jail
pic of Wallace in 1975, WBBM-TV reporter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chris_Wallace_1975.JPG
>>Wallace was born in Chicago, Illinois. He is the son of Mike Wallace, longtime CBS 60 Minutes reporter, and Norma Kaphan. His parents divorced when he was one year old.[2] He grew up with his stepfather, future CBS News President Bill Leonard.He did not develop a relationship with his biological father until the age of 14. Wallace attended Harvard College. He first reported news on-air for WHRB, the student radio station at Harvard. He memorably covered the 1969 occupation of University Hall by students and was detained by Cambridge police, using his one phone call to sign off a report from Cambridge City Jail
pic of Wallace in 1975, WBBM-TV reporter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chris_Wallace_1975.JPG
Had this happened with Howie plagiarizing in a column for the Herald I would hope that should the paper suspend him for it, they would acknowledge it... "For the Record".
If it was Carr ripping off a column, he would be pilloried from the Globe to NECN and everyone in between, and by every liberal pundit from coast to coast since his columns get frequently cited by numerous bloggers with nationwide audiences.
Such is the price of celebrity. Vennochi gets to skate on this one because nobody who doesn't appear on her tax return as a dependent knows who she is, and therefore it's mostly an 'inside baseball" story.
Regards,
TSB
If it was Carr ripping off a column, he would be pilloried from the Globe to NECN and everyone in between, and by every liberal pundit from coast to coast since his columns get frequently cited by numerous bloggers with nationwide audiences.
Such is the price of celebrity. Vennochi gets to skate on this one because nobody who doesn't appear on her tax return as a dependent knows who she is, and therefore it's mostly an 'inside baseball" story.
Regards,
TSB
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