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"The insanity of all this is truly amazing"

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PocketRadio

"Glad I waited"
John Higdon

"Many of those 'early adopters' who got bit with this setup are scrambling to replace the entire plant with a single transmitter, capable of both IBOC and analog. (Actually, an IBOC transmitter can do analog just fine, but it is horribly inefficient...throws off a lot of heat and consumes much more power than an equivalent-power analog transmitter.) I find this more than amusing considering the current Global Warming craze. Less is more. Or is it more is less? The insanity of all this is truly amazing."

http://tinyurl.com/35233s
 
PocketRadio said:
"Glad I waited"
John Higdon

"Many of those 'early adopters' who got bit with this setup are scrambling to replace the entire plant with a single transmitter, capable of both IBOC and analog. (Actually, an IBOC transmitter can do analog just fine, but it is horribly inefficient...throws off a lot of heat and consumes much more power than an equivalent-power analog transmitter.) I find this more than amusing considering the current Global Warming craze. Less is more. Or is it more is less? The insanity of all this is truly amazing."

http://tinyurl.com/35233s
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A poster in a newsgroup?

I have followed John for a while in BA Broadcast. He isn't a policymaker.

You're now posting newsgroups to try and suppport you defeated position. YOUR POINT OF VIEW WAS REJECTED BY THE FCC.

No amount of sympathy by those with your point of view changes anything. Your position was REJECTED.

Your motions for reconsideration were REJECTED.

As far as the radio decision makers in this country are concerned.....

"We should not do HD Radio" = Garbage Can.

Believe it.

Clouseau
 
clouseau said:
A poster in a newsgroup?

I have followed John for a while in BA Broadcast. He isn't a policymaker.

You're now posting newsgroups to try and suppport you defeated position. YOUR POINT OF VIEW WAS REJECTED BY THE FCC.

No amount of sympathy by those with your point of view changes anything. Your position was REJECTED.

Your motions for reconsideration were REJECTED.

As far as the radio decision makers in this country are concerned.....

"We should not do HD Radio" = Garbage Can.

Believe it.

Clouseau
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:D

Sorry...
 
You seem to think this is a common position among engineers. I'm telling you, it's not. I don't know a single engineer anywhere who thinks FM HD is a bad idea, or works poorly. A pain in the ass to set up, YES! But not that it's a poor technology.
 
Mike Walker said:
You seem to think this is a common position among engineers. I'm telling you, it's not. I don't know a single engineer anywhere who thinks FM HD is a bad idea, or works poorly. A pain in the ass to set up, YES! But not that it's a poor technology.
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You know Mike, there are some Engineers and Management and the like that don't like it. Actually more than you would think. But it just doesn't matter. None of us or none of them have any say any more. All you can do is opt out. The rules are done. It's already happened.

This whole "Well I don't know" debate is irrelevant. Those who engage in it are living in the past. They, like Leonard Kahn, just don't accept reality.

Clouseau
 
Mike Walker said:
You seem to think this is a common position among engineers. I'm telling you, it's not. I don't know a single engineer anywhere who thinks FM HD is a bad idea, or works poorly. A pain in the ass to set up, YES! But not that it's a poor technology.
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"HD Radio on the Offense"

"I have been a broadcast engineer for over 30 years. This system is probably the biggest waste of time and resources that has ever been fobbed off onto the public. The coverage is less than half of a good analog signal, and is interfered with by such things as the vehicle ignition and even some traffic lights. Technically it's incredibly flawed. The digital signal is put on the two adjacent frequencies, so it will interfere with nearby stations, and interfere with them. On AM, distant skywave will skip in and wreak havoc. Effective coverage areas on both AM and FM will shrink considerably, even on the existing analog signals. I have bought a couple of HD Radios specifically to see how well it works, and it simply doesn't. Should this be authorized by the FCC, and a significant number of stations implement it, the radio bands will simply be awash with digital hiss grinding against itself. It's really a shame. They dropped the ball big-time with this, and I hope the public isn't too wounded by it that they simply give up on radio. For digital radio to be implemented correctly, it really needs it's own band. Trying to squeeze such incompatible technology together is a serious mistake."

Comment by Craig Healy — March 16, 2007 @ 08:28AM

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/2007-03-07/music/hd-radio-on-the-offense/#comments

"The Age of Dark Payola"

"Cracks in my cynicism have come courtesy of more than dozen letters from all over the country. A lot of veteran broadcasters wrote in positing very cogent points. One pointed out: 'All my peers in radio have been silenced, even though they don't want to go along.' They say HD's flaws include super-bad distortion in the AM range and a bass-ackward interface courtesy of thirty-year-old technology."

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/2007-04-18/music/the-age-of-dark-payola#comments
 
clouseau said:
Mike Walker said:
You seem to think this is a common position among engineers. I'm telling you, it's not. I don't know a single engineer anywhere who thinks FM HD is a bad idea, or works poorly. A pain in the ass to set up, YES! But not that it's a poor technology.
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You know Mike, there are some Engineers and Management and the like that don't like it. Actually more than you would think. But it just doesn't matter. None of us or none of them have any say any more. All you can do is opt out. The rules are done. It's already happened.

This whole "Well I don't know" debate is irrelevant. Those who engage in it are living in the past. They, like Leonard Kahn, just don't accept reality.

Clouseau
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Just as the FCC commissioner pointed out, the marketplace will determine the pace of transition - if it stalls, and destroys the broadcast bands with adjacent-channel interference and poor coverage, then so-be-it.
 
PocketRadio said:
Just as the FCC commissioner pointed out, the marketplace will determine the pace of transition - if it stalls, and destroys the broadcast bands with adjacent-channel interference and poor coverage, then so-be-it.
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Again we agree. THE DECISION HAS BEEN MADE.

Why do you keep posting pre-decision articles like they have any relevance? You're acting like the end of the Willy Wonka movie. The paperwork has been signed. The appeals have been rejected. The decision has been finalized and is being published in the Federal Register. Slugworth does NOT work for the FCC. You're not going for a ride in the Wonkavator and you're not getting the chocolate factory. Your side lost. There will continue to be HD radio.

This is true today. And no matter how many more unrelated links you post it will be true tomorrow. IT'S BEEN PASSED.

I know you don't like it. I know you don't think it was fair (Somehow.) But one way or another it happened.

Maybe you should start a campaign to have it overturned via congress.

Do what you gotta do, but mix in some reality.

Clouseau
 
I know there are SOME engineers who are against HD, or don't see a big advantage now. There are actually some compelling arguments. I wouldn't convert a small-market station with a limited budget now. I'd let the "big-guns" carry the water a little while longer. But when the penetration of radios in my market began to get into the high single digits, THEN I woud think very seriously about it. Know when it's time? When more than one person in a week asks "Joe, those big guys in Booger City all have this HD thing. How come you don't?" When people off the street, not just in groups like this, start asking fairly frequently, you know it's something a fair percentage of your listeners are thinking about. THEN you've got to er, do the deed, or get off the pot! ;)
 
clouseau said:
Again we agree. THE DECISION HAS BEEN MADE.

Clouseau
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It is still up to the marketplace to determine the pace of transition - if consumers and automakers remain apathetic towards HD/IBOC, which they will, then the transition will stall - so-be-it.
 
PocketRadio said:
<Blah Blah Blah>

if consumers and automakers remain apathetic towards HD/IBOC, which they will, ....
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You always state your opinion as if it were a fact.

Clouseau
 
Mike Walker said:

I know there are SOME engineers who are against HD, or don't see a big advantage now.
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The significant absence of engineers posting that this is a wonderful technology and that we should all embrace it indicates that a rather good number of engineers are disenchanted with it. At least that's my take on it.

There are actually some compelling arguments.
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Ya think?
 
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