vsa said:
Heyyyyyyyyyyyy you are quoted today in a well-known radio website just about word for word saying the exact words of H82BL8. On that website, the quote is attributed to someone with your initials (the first two) .. That's you, isn't it?
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THE INTERNET....IS NOT.....RADIO!
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Heyyyyyyyyyyyy you are quoted today in a well-known radio website just about word for word saying the exact words of H82BL8. On that website, the quote is attributed to someone with your initials (the first two) .. That's you, isn't it?
SuperRadioFan said:vsa said:
Heyyyyyyyyyyyy you are quoted today in a well-known radio website just about word for word saying the exact words of H82BL8. On that website, the quote is attributed to someone with your initials (the first two) .. That's you, isn't it?
Looks to me like more than 1,000 people have read this thread and have seen and perhaps repeated the quote. Do someone's initials match a portion of my handle? Where do I go to complain? ???
It's only radio when the "service provider" is the immutable laws of physics and no money changes hands to an intermediate
delivery system. The other modes may be "broadcasting", but not radio.
There's no reason the equivalent of "streaming" couldn't have been done in analog 40 years ago over plain-old telephone lines,
if anyone had wanted to run up the phone bill. When you call up a radio station and hear the audio while on hold, that's streaming.
If I can't hear the local commercials, weather, and news, it's not radio, and could be from anywhere or no where all.
That's just too disembodied to be radio. Not that it isn't worth listening to, but it isn't radio either.
I've tried using a 3G card in a laptop to stream to a part 15 FM converter in the car, and it's a pretty clunky setup.
As I crossed Iowa, the signal dropped out in every little valley and seldom re-connected.
Letting a stream buffer for 5 minutes before starting it only worked until I had accumulated 5 minutes of "no signal", then it's back to square one. Radio doesn't forget what it's suppposed to be doing and need to be restarted....it works in real time, or there is no signal,
or the radio is broken. Some day there may be enough coverage to make such a system "work" but the lack of local commercials, etc., still makes it something other than "radio" to me. A remote tuner located somewhere else, receiving "real" rado, then streaming THAT over the internet, is more like radio, because the source material is the actual air signal.
delivery system. The other modes may be "broadcasting", but not radio.
There's no reason the equivalent of "streaming" couldn't have been done in analog 40 years ago over plain-old telephone lines,
if anyone had wanted to run up the phone bill. When you call up a radio station and hear the audio while on hold, that's streaming.
If I can't hear the local commercials, weather, and news, it's not radio, and could be from anywhere or no where all.
That's just too disembodied to be radio. Not that it isn't worth listening to, but it isn't radio either.
I've tried using a 3G card in a laptop to stream to a part 15 FM converter in the car, and it's a pretty clunky setup.
As I crossed Iowa, the signal dropped out in every little valley and seldom re-connected.
Letting a stream buffer for 5 minutes before starting it only worked until I had accumulated 5 minutes of "no signal", then it's back to square one. Radio doesn't forget what it's suppposed to be doing and need to be restarted....it works in real time, or there is no signal,
or the radio is broken. Some day there may be enough coverage to make such a system "work" but the lack of local commercials, etc., still makes it something other than "radio" to me. A remote tuner located somewhere else, receiving "real" rado, then streaming THAT over the internet, is more like radio, because the source material is the actual air signal.
vsa said:SuperRadioFan said:vsa said:
Heyyyyyyyyyyyy you are quoted today in a well-known radio website just about word for word saying the exact words of H82BL8. On that website, the quote is attributed to someone with your initials (the first two) .. That's you, isn't it?
Looks to me like more than 1,000 people have read this thread and have seen and perhaps repeated the quote. Do someone's initials match a portion of my handle? Where do I go to complain? ???
The quote was in Don Barrett's LARadio.com column and it was attributed to:
Vitas Safronikas ... so I guess you are not him.........
Tom Wells said:
Here's what should be a frightening thought for you:
The United States Government, which owns and licenses the public airwaves, is seeking to make wireless internet free to everyone. As a result, money would no longer change hands to an intermediate delivery system. But that would seem to conflict with the terms of the deal inherent in being a licensee, since it renders those licenses close to worthless.
However, you will still be able to claim the immutable laws of physics, for whatever that's worth. I'm sure the government will want to impose a tax on it at some point.
I'm not saying it's going to happen. In fact I believe there's a good chance that it won't. But the fact that the GOVERNMENT sees the internet as a right, and is willing to support it to the detriment of the people's airwaves, should say something.
Based on your report, BigA, I guess we can say that American "Public Policy" is having trouble deciding "who it wants to be" when it grows up.
I guess if we are coming to a time when as public policy we question whether we are going to continue to fund universal coverage postal service, we are going to replace that with universal wireless. Things that make you go hmmmmm.
Is it just me... or is technology change and obsolescence moving faster and faster?
I guess if we are coming to a time when as public policy we question whether we are going to continue to fund universal coverage postal service, we are going to replace that with universal wireless. Things that make you go hmmmmm.
Is it just me... or is technology change and obsolescence moving faster and faster?
A lot of people talk about radio as some holy grail of public service, as though it's an agency of the government. But that very government, whom we have charged as the licensers of that public service have done a terrible job with it. Especially over the last 25 years. And now they seem to want to undermine one resource by offering a subsidy to another. Using your analogy, like offering a subsidy to FedEx, while making cutbacks at the Post Office. Or maybe like tobacco, which they say will kill you, but they provide a subsidy to the farmers who grow it. Not that they want to let go of radio. But that they don't want to make any improvements to it. Kind of like that seedy hotel on the edge of town. And believe me, I've stayed in some seedy hotels.
Shall we introduce the words, "broadcasting" and "narrowcasting" to this thread?
Do the terms "free to air" and scrambled suggest BROADcasting and NARROWcasting, respectively?
The Ausis have a service they call narrowcasting which could be either of the former but appeals to ethnic minorities.
Am I listening to radio on my PC if it is from an originating station whose transmitter is down?
What if my cable TV system offers distant stations with a digital decoder but what if they get a direct feed from the radio station's studio or what if they have their own part fifteen station which covers their entire building plus the parking lot and is picked up and sent out to a million subscribers?
What about the old cable radio system from the Soviet Union and other experimental systems?
Would it matter if the station is funded by tax, service fee, commercials, contributions, or a church?
Should we be discussing broadcasting vs narrowcasting?
Do the terms "free to air" and scrambled suggest BROADcasting and NARROWcasting, respectively?
The Ausis have a service they call narrowcasting which could be either of the former but appeals to ethnic minorities.
Am I listening to radio on my PC if it is from an originating station whose transmitter is down?
What if my cable TV system offers distant stations with a digital decoder but what if they get a direct feed from the radio station's studio or what if they have their own part fifteen station which covers their entire building plus the parking lot and is picked up and sent out to a million subscribers?
What about the old cable radio system from the Soviet Union and other experimental systems?
Would it matter if the station is funded by tax, service fee, commercials, contributions, or a church?
Should we be discussing broadcasting vs narrowcasting?
J
JimTroost
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Hi. I'm new here because I discovered this discussion board when looking up information about the sale of KFUO-FM, which had been the oldest FM west of the Mississippi to the CCM station, JOY FM in Saint Louis, Missouri.
I would argue that there's at least one Internet only station that is considered "radio" and is even a member of The Missouri Broadcaster's Association, which is our state's professional association of FCC licensed AM, FM and television station owners. If you type "journey" in their online directory, it pops up as with channel listed as "Internet". A friend at a regular station in St. Louis showed me that it's also listed in the MBA printed directory, right under KYKY 98.1 FM and above WARH 106.5 in the Saint Louis stations' listing. A logo next to the station shows it's a member. The Journey is also the ONLY INTERNET STATION listed in both the print and online editions of The Missouri Blue Book: Official Manual of the State of Missouri, published by The Missouri Secretary of State's Office for over 100 years, according to the Secretary of State's office website. You can see the listing online for yourself in the section listing Missouri Broadcasters, http://www.sos.mo.gov/BlueBook/2009-2010/9_MoInfo.pdf#p875, but you'll have to scroll through the PDF to the section covering Saint Louis.
I don't know exactly how all this happened because it is so very unique. I caught some programming from them on Kansas City station KCXL-AM 1140 some years ago and when the host mentioned their online Saint Louis station, I tuned in.
Several things were odd to say the least, but I find the programming better than the Christian radio alternatives in Saint Louis so I kept listening.
At the top of the hour, The Journeycarries live network news followed by local weather for the Saint Louis, Missouri area (both Missouri side of the Mississippi River and the Illinois side). It also carries daily broadcasts of The Missouri Farm Bureau Marketline report several times a day on weekdays and has regular DJs working regular hours like traditional FCC licensed stations. The content is oriented to our local community unlike any other online station I've heard and top of the hour IDs sound like regular station IDs minus call letters ("The Journey Christian Hit Radio For A New Generation, St. Louis, Missouri"). The DJs interrupt programming during the day when there are local weather or amber alerts for the Bi-State area. At night when the station appears to be completely automated now (they USED to have live overnight DJs) and during syndicated programming on weekends, the station broadcasts automated Amber and Weather alerts for Saint Louis and Southwest Illinois when The Emergency Broadcast System or whatever its now called is activated.
Another strange thing is that the station has lots of commercials like traditional radio, but not too many, in my opinion to make me want to turn off. They used to have a mix of local businesses and national chain stores, but recently it seems to be all national chains. I'm not sure why.
The current website sucks, but the sound quality of the streams is fantastic. A note says that it's being redesigned, but listen links work well. In the past, the website listed allot of traditional network affiliations with both secular and religious radio networks who didn't have other online affiliates.
Like I said, I don't know who the owners know or how they made this happen, but it has the sound (at least during the day) of a big city, local FM radio station, even with a request line which is answered by an operator before listeners get transferred to the studio. I think that if something sounds like local radio, operates like local radio, serves a local community then it's radio even if it's missing a transmitter. Just my two cents worth.
I would agree that most stand-alone Internet stations are NOT radio because they usually seem to be more like online jukeboxes. Recently, this is somewhat true of The Journey at night, but certainly not most weekdays or weekends.
What I'd like to find out is how the people at The Journey did this because when friends tried to do something similar in Chicago nobody, not advertisers, not labels, would take them seriously because they were "just Internet" and maybe this provides an alternative to the monopolies of big Corporate radio. Does anybody know?
I would argue that there's at least one Internet only station that is considered "radio" and is even a member of The Missouri Broadcaster's Association, which is our state's professional association of FCC licensed AM, FM and television station owners. If you type "journey" in their online directory, it pops up as with channel listed as "Internet". A friend at a regular station in St. Louis showed me that it's also listed in the MBA printed directory, right under KYKY 98.1 FM and above WARH 106.5 in the Saint Louis stations' listing. A logo next to the station shows it's a member. The Journey is also the ONLY INTERNET STATION listed in both the print and online editions of The Missouri Blue Book: Official Manual of the State of Missouri, published by The Missouri Secretary of State's Office for over 100 years, according to the Secretary of State's office website. You can see the listing online for yourself in the section listing Missouri Broadcasters, http://www.sos.mo.gov/BlueBook/2009-2010/9_MoInfo.pdf#p875, but you'll have to scroll through the PDF to the section covering Saint Louis.
I don't know exactly how all this happened because it is so very unique. I caught some programming from them on Kansas City station KCXL-AM 1140 some years ago and when the host mentioned their online Saint Louis station, I tuned in.
Several things were odd to say the least, but I find the programming better than the Christian radio alternatives in Saint Louis so I kept listening.
At the top of the hour, The Journeycarries live network news followed by local weather for the Saint Louis, Missouri area (both Missouri side of the Mississippi River and the Illinois side). It also carries daily broadcasts of The Missouri Farm Bureau Marketline report several times a day on weekdays and has regular DJs working regular hours like traditional FCC licensed stations. The content is oriented to our local community unlike any other online station I've heard and top of the hour IDs sound like regular station IDs minus call letters ("The Journey Christian Hit Radio For A New Generation, St. Louis, Missouri"). The DJs interrupt programming during the day when there are local weather or amber alerts for the Bi-State area. At night when the station appears to be completely automated now (they USED to have live overnight DJs) and during syndicated programming on weekends, the station broadcasts automated Amber and Weather alerts for Saint Louis and Southwest Illinois when The Emergency Broadcast System or whatever its now called is activated.
Another strange thing is that the station has lots of commercials like traditional radio, but not too many, in my opinion to make me want to turn off. They used to have a mix of local businesses and national chain stores, but recently it seems to be all national chains. I'm not sure why.
The current website sucks, but the sound quality of the streams is fantastic. A note says that it's being redesigned, but listen links work well. In the past, the website listed allot of traditional network affiliations with both secular and religious radio networks who didn't have other online affiliates.
Like I said, I don't know who the owners know or how they made this happen, but it has the sound (at least during the day) of a big city, local FM radio station, even with a request line which is answered by an operator before listeners get transferred to the studio. I think that if something sounds like local radio, operates like local radio, serves a local community then it's radio even if it's missing a transmitter. Just my two cents worth.
I would agree that most stand-alone Internet stations are NOT radio because they usually seem to be more like online jukeboxes. Recently, this is somewhat true of The Journey at night, but certainly not most weekdays or weekends.
What I'd like to find out is how the people at The Journey did this because when friends tried to do something similar in Chicago nobody, not advertisers, not labels, would take them seriously because they were "just Internet" and maybe this provides an alternative to the monopolies of big Corporate radio. Does anybody know?
J
JimTroost
Guest
ai4i said:
Actually WCCC-AM has excellent sounding STEREO Internet streams and I would guess that their most of their local listeners as well as the rest of us catch them on the Internet. I can't imagine enjoying classical music on AM radio.
J
JimTroost
Guest
ai4i said:
What do you think of how WCCC is handling the programming now?
J
JimTroost
Guest
Another good classical radio choice on the web with fantastic sound quality on broadband is Radio Netherlands Classical Web Radio in full digital quality STEREO and knowledgeable, English speaking presenters. I'm listening to it right now with headphones. Found it linked from a classical website.
J
JimTroost
Guest
ai4i said:
I haven't listened much to Radio Netherlands online but I probably will. From what I saw on the website, it looks more interesting than what Public Radio stations here offer. I'm usually a music person when listening on the radio or online.
It's ironic that the Internet Christian station, The Journey is an official "partner" station of Radio Netherlands. The Journey's website used to say that on its old websites and used to carry allot of Radio Netherlands programming (including sometimes a station tone). They used to carry a bunch of documentary programs, "A Good Life" with Ginger DiSolva (spelling? and the half-hour "Newsline". I've caught Network Europe in the afternoons between 5:30 and 6 pm weekdays.
I have to say sorry, I didn't read the whole thread but wanted to respond to the initial internet is not radio. My network of stations all use the same technology needed to send our signals just like traditional radio stations with the exception that the signal we send out goes a little bit further than the 40 miles we could broadcast out! We have formats which include live shows and broadcasts, so why again isn't it radio?
use the same technology unless your using a transmitter and a tower..it's NOT radio..doesn't make it bad, good or in between.."broadcast" is incorrectly used as a term for internet based streams..but guess that's splitting hairs..i call my little web based stream a "radio station" just so people have a familiar reference to think of. ...and my listeners call it a "radio station",incorrectly also, because it plays what they want to hear, and they innocently don't know any better...all they understand is .."i can tune this in on the internet..and get what i can't hear on any other "radio station"...99.9% of listeners have no clue as to how a radio station works anyway..they just punch a button in the car and wham bam..there's Taylor Swift,or someone else just as prepackaged...internet listeners i do think are more savvy and understand if they are listening to a terrestrial stations online stream...or a feed coming from someone's basement..there's my take on it..and worth exactly what you paid for it... ;D
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