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Re: A little about market valuations.

>
> I fear that "like me" means "white" which is an unfortunate
> statement.

Fear all you want. It means English speaking which is probably just as bad to you. So be it. I'm proud to speak English.

>
> Arbitron measures the market, not non-Hispanic whites. The
> market is over 60% made up today of members of other groups.
> And the programming reflects this. You can not ignore the
> majority of the audience.


I can ignore it David. I ignore Spanish stations everyday. Does that make me racist? We were discussing English speaking stations which is what my remarks were reflective us.


> > If that's
> > racist to you, so be it.
>
> If not racist, it is not wll reasoned.


Perhaps you are playing some reverse racism against me cause I doen't listen to Spanish stations.


>
> As far as my listening goes, KTWV is not serving me. I don't
> like smooth jazz, and don't listen to them.

At least YOU can understand what they are saying on KTWV. Lousy comparison David.


> Well, that is a narrow perspective and one that has no
> validity in LA. You apparently believe that because you are
> white and English speaking all stations should serve you.
>
> The other day, while chatting in the checkout lane, someone
> in the supermarket said to me, "You won't get a good job
> unless you speak English." Was that you? There are still
> some people who don't understand the changes in the US and
> in LA.
> >

No that wasn't me and you're a Jerk for making that statement. I think you are a reverse racist David. Perhaps you should join MEChA
 
Re: A little about market valuations.

> Fear all you want. It means English speaking which is
> probably just as bad to you. So be it. I'm proud to speak
> English.

A huge percentage of the listeners of non-English language stations speak English. Their culture, however, is not served on most English stations, whether it be news, chat or music. Music taste is formed in early adolescence,a nd no matter how bilingual a person becomes, their music tastes nearly always reflect that period.

This is not about patriotism or langauge pride (I did not even know that existed till now) but about the radio usage of residents in LA. LA radio reflects LA residents, and has since 1922.
>
> >
> > Arbitron measures the market, not non-Hispanic whites. The
>
> > market is over 60% made up today of members of other
> groups.
> > And the programming reflects this. You can not ignore the
> > majority of the audience.
>
>
> I can ignore it David. I ignore Spanish stations everyday.
> Does that make me racist? We were discussing English
> speaking stations which is what my remarks were reflective
> us.

But you put "English only" into a discussion of radio usage, radio ownership and programming issues. You can not separate LA radio usage... the market is multilingual.

>
> Perhaps you are playing some reverse racism against me cause
> I doen't listen to Spanish stations.

And I seldom listen to English ones. And that does not matter. the fact is, a discussion of the LA market must include all formats and all stations if it is about ratings, ownership or revenues and growth.
>
> At least YOU can understand what they are saying on KTWV.
> Lousy comparison David.

I would not tune it in. The music is hateful or ugly to me, as is most music in English. But, yes, I could listen. So could many Hispanics. In fact 24% of KTWV's cume is Hispanic, and most of that cume is from bilingual Hispanics who also listen to Spanish radio. It's in the book.
>
> No that wasn't me and you're a Jerk for making that
> statement. I think you are a reverse racist David. Perhaps
> you should join MEChA

MEChA is a Mexician American Chicano group of students. I am not Mexican, I am not Chicano and I am not a student. I am a member of Maldef and the Concilio Nacional de La Raza, however. And I am a member because there are many who decide to "leave out" Hispanics when economic, social and educational issues are discussed. Like right now.
>
 
Re: A little about market valuations.

> > At least YOU can understand what they are saying on KTWV.
>

>
> I would not tune it in. The music is hateful or ugly to me,
> as is most music in English.


That speaks volumes about you David.
 
Re: A little about market valuations.

> > > At least YOU can understand what they are saying on
> KTWV.
> >
>
> >
> > I would not tune it in. The music is hateful or ugly to
> me,
> > as is most music in English.
>
>
> That speaks volumes about you David.
>

Yes. It says I grew up outside the US. I find most English music forms to be unpleasant to listen to and not at all agreeable. The language soulds harsh, and the styles are not to my taste. Some are enough to drive me batty, particularly harder rock, alternative, industrial, etc.

If I had grown up in Duluth, I would probably like hard rock. But I did not.
 
Re: A little about market valuations.

> >
> > I fear that "like me" means "white" which is an
> unfortunate
> > statement.
>
> Fear all you want. It means English speaking which is
> probably just as bad to you. So be it. I'm proud to speak
> English.

I'm going to caution you here, Robert. You turn this into a discussion with racist overtones, you won't last one more day on this site.
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Re: A little about market valuations.

> > > At least YOU can understand what they are saying on
> KTWV.
> >
>
> >
> > I would not tune it in. The music is hateful or ugly to
> me,
> > as is most music in English.
>
>
> That speaks volumes about you David.

Why? Because you goaded him into making a statement about his musical preferences that fits into your personal agenda?

Besides which, he said "most music in English", not "all". I recall that he likes the music on 93.1 Jack FM and posted that he'd changed a preset in his car radio to it. Or were you even here four months ago when he said that?

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Another deliberate error

> I am going to list the small owners. Format is not a
> consideration, and singling out only English staitions in a
> market that is 60% ehtnic is racist in my book. Small owners
> hold AMs 740, 830, 930, 900, 1430, 1540, 1480, 1580, 1600,
> 1220, 1330, 1300, 1650, 1460, 1260, 1390 and 1510. FMs with
> smaller (no bigger than pre-dereg size include 92.7, 94.3,
> 105.5, 93.5, 102.3, 105.1, 96.7, 107.9 Even SBS (96.3 and
> 97.9) is small, with less than a dozen stations, excluding
> PR.
>

There are some awfully big chains in this list, and you know it. Salem is a big chain.

And most of the signals are inferior AMs, with tiny crappy signals.

The FMs you list are largely rimshots, class As and other signal disasters.

In fact, damn near the only station you list that is a true independent, with a desirable signal, is KMZT.

Do us a favor and drop the "plenty of diverse owners" charade. It's not true and you know it.
 
A little about Rosarito

> I am dyslexic and English is not my fundamental and most
> used langauge...


I can recall several instances where people whose first language is English have been ridiculed for using the common Spanish name "Rosarita" instead of its correct name, Rosarito.

I agree that people should be allowed to make simple mistakes like this. And I again politely point out to that this poster's track record on this matter reflects poorly on the points he so earnestly makes.
 
Another whopper

> Cume is not down. TSL is off in certain demos. Average TSL
> is the same as it was in 1950.


Everything is perfect. Radio is great. There is a format for everyone. There is a diversity of ownership.

What's next, David? MP3s are a communist plot? XM causes cancer?
 
Re: Another whopper

> What's next, David?

Is it your mission in life to question everything David says?

I swear, you have it in for him, the same way a recently banned person had it in for me.

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Re: Another whopper

> > What's next, David?
>
> Is it your mission in life to question everything David
> says?
>
> I swear, you have it in for him, the same way a recently
> banned person had it in for me.
>


Maybe like me he reads some of David's comments in utter disbelief.
 
Re: A little about Rosarito

> > I am dyslexic and English is not my fundamental and most
> > used langauge...
>
>
> I can recall several instances where people whose first
> language is English have been ridiculed for using the common
> Spanish name "Rosarita" instead of its correct name,
> Rosarito.

"Rosarita" is a name used out of ignorance, not out of problems with spelling (I, for one, have never been able to master English spelling... it is to convoluted). It is akin to calling "Chicago" as "Chicaga." One should know better. Roasrito is a brand of beans.

Even worse is calling it "Rosarita Beach" which is also common. There is no place in BCN with an English name tagged onto it... after all, it is in Mexico.

Of course, you were the person who maintained for considerable time on the Phoenix board that a never DXed in the USA daytimer in San Luis Potosi was widely interferring with KNX despite positive identification as a station in southern Sonora...
 
Re: Totally provable

> > Cume is not down. TSL is off in certain demos. Average TSL
>
> > is the same as it was in 1950.
>
>
> Everything is perfect. Radio is great. There is a format for
> everyone. There is a diversity of ownership.

There is plenty of diversity of ownership. And radio cume is not down at all. TSL is off in certain demos, gnerally those underserved by radio, such as 12-17 and 55+ where there is no ad support.

While TSL peaked in the late 80's, today it is just about the same as it was in 1950! Some people just do not check the full range of facts.

Keep in mind that most other demos deliver audience efficiently, and radio billing as a percentage of total ad expenditures in all media is up. If radio is so bad off, why is revenue share up?
>
> What's next, David? MP3s are a communist plot? XM causes
> cancer?

Aside from your inability to look for facts before shooting from the hip, it is recognized that radio is challenged by many new technolgies. But misinterpreting the causes and effects is worse than ignoring them altogether.
 
Re: Another inabilty to see the truth

> Maybe like me he reads some of David's comments in utter
> disbelief.
>

Or, perhaps, he has no access to real data. The information on NO decline in cume is available to any subscriber to Arbitron, and can be repeated over and over again market by market... yet Hanz calls me a fibber by stating a provable fact.

I noticed that you stopped questioning me every time I cited a source. Hanz would be wise to do the same thing.
 
Re: Another inabilty to see the truth

> > Maybe like me he reads some of David's comments in utter
> > disbelief.
> >
>
> Or, perhaps, he has no access to real data. The information
> on NO decline in cume is available to any subscriber to
> Arbitron, and can be repeated over and over again market by
> market... yet Hanz calls me a fibber by stating a provable
> fact.
>
> I noticed that you stopped questioning me every time I cited
> a source. Hanz would be wise to do the same thing.
>


I didn't stop David. More like you are not allowed to be questioned.
 
Moderator Note -- AGAIN

> I didn't stop David. More like you are not allowed to be
> questioned.

Back off. If I see more posts which are personal attacks rather than contributing to the discussion, I'll request a few more bans. (Dirk just found out over the weekend how little the owners -- who make the ban decisions -- appreciate this type of post.)

Consider yourselves warned.
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Re: is this consistent?

> > > > Dave Wrote:
> > >
> > > Sr. Eduardo's name is not "Dave". It is David.
> > >
> > > Okay, Bob?
> > >
> >
> >
> > I meant no disrespect to David. Since when did you become
>
> > David's keeper KMRichards? He certainly seem capable of
> > speaking up for himself. Mr. Goldberg's name is not "Bob".
>
> > It is Robert.
>
> Glad you got the point. My seemingly arbitrary
> diminutization of your name was deliberate, because you did
> the same.
>
> I am not his keeper, but I know him outside of the board and
> respect him greatly. He is not a "Dave".

Maybe some here think as Robert did because in replying to Robert elsewhere on this thread, David stated:

---The other day, while chatting in the checkout lane, someone in the supermarket said to me, "You won't get a good job unless you speak English." Was that you? There are still some people who don't understand the changes in the US and in LA.
..............................................................................
So while others are admonished for making personal attacks, David was not.
I don't think KM Richards condones a statement like this, even if made by David, but others might feel that way. Just an observation after catching up on this long thread.
 
Re: Moderator Note -- AGAIN

> > I didn't stop David. More like you are not allowed to be
> > questioned.
>
> Back off. If I see more posts which are personal attacks
> rather than contributing to the discussion, I'll request a
> few more bans. (Dirk just found out over the weekend how
> little the owners -- who make the ban decisions --
> appreciate this type of post.)
>
> Consider yourselves warned.
>


I am warned and thank you for proving my point.
 
Re: is this consistent?

> Maybe some here think as Robert did because in replying to
> Robert elsewhere on this thread, David stated:
>
> ---The other day, while chatting in the checkout lane,
> someone in the supermarket said to me, "You won't get a good
> job unless you speak English." Was that you? There are still
> some people who don't understand the changes in the US and
> in LA.
..................> ............................................................
>
> So while others are admonished for making personal attacks,
> David was not.
> I don't think KM Richards condones a statement like this,
> even if made by David, but others might feel that way. Just
> an observation after catching up on this long thread.

I'll be happy to explain my point of view.

For whatever reason, perhaps the old "prophet without honor in his own backyard" cliche, David appears to be a convenient target for attack, as am I. However, many who choose to attack David's opinion do so by downplaying the impact of ethnic radio in this market ... likely because he is well-known to be an executive of one of the large Hispanic radio groups.

In that context, a mild counterattack like the one quoted above is acceptable, compared to the original attack.

That is my bias, and I believe it is just as valid a bias as that of those who condemn ethnic radio in the face of the realities of this changing market.

I should point out that, as a moderator, I have tried to not put my metaphysical foot down until a thread has devolved beyond a rational discussion of a radio-related topic. Unfortunately, most here only see that I have taken a position as a moderator and not the length of time I have shown restraint.
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