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The LP turns 65

Been looking over all 6 pages here (great stuff!) but couldn't help noticing what started out as a thread about LPS and 45's changed over to being mostly about cart machines. Maybe I can help tie them back together.

Back around 1974, two local stations in Duluth, same ownership, but different programming, sort of merged. WAKX-AM was daytime only playing "grease" oldies. (They were re-using their station breaks from 10 years earlier despite a frequency change from 1320 to 970, a scissors tape edit removed the old frequency.) KPIR-FM was "elevator music" ("The view is always beautiful from 'Pier 99'...in stereo!") They combined into WAKX-AM/FM, with a drastic format change for both.

The new format was sort of heavy/classic rock hits; Led Zep, Foghat, Stones, Aerosmith, etc. and the slogan was "More Music Per Hour." They took this VERY literally. Maybe I have an over-critical sense of pitch, but they were definitely speeding up everything! I used to complain about it to them; they always denied it.

I'm not exactly sure, but they may have been playing 33's at 35 or so and 45's close to 50 rpm. Bob Dylan's "Tangled Up In Blue" was big then, and he was sped up dangerously close to David Seville territory.

All the speedups were put on carts, and they all sounded mushy on air, sibilants whooshed almost like a phase reversal (remember those?) This went on for years; I'm not sure when/if the practice ended. The stations have changed hands a number of times since then; the AM side is now a Music Of Your Life station, the FM is country.
 
For some reason I never really understood, 1974 was roughly the time period when Top 40 music stations were all speeding up their music. The bigger-market stations would use a Multisync or similar device to alter the line frequency from 60 Hz to get the turntables sped up. A few stations had one of the old EMT-Gotham or Bogen variable speed turntables which they would use to cart music. But the majority simply yanked the platter off an old puck-drive QRK or Gates turntable and wrapped the drive capstan with splicing tape.

The rationale as it was explained to me was, "it makes our station sound brighter than the competitor's." As dubious as this sounds (and it is) this soon led to a "speed war" among competing stations, analogous to the counterproductive "loudness wars" of approximately 1974-1980. If WCAT was carting their hits at 47 rpm, before you knew it WDOG was hitting 50 rpm. And so forth.

Far from making a station sound "brighter," I thought it made a lot of songs sound ridiculous. Have you ever heard "Kung Fu Fighting" being aired at 51 rpm?
 
 

anotherguy said:
Aren't 45s close to 65 as well?

I believe they are buddy... I LOVE MY RECORDS!!!!!!! (I only get first pressings,I DO NOT WANT DIGITAL GARBAGE (Not as good sound) ON MY ANALOGUE RECORDS!!!)
 
While you're up and down, up and down changing your LP's, I'll be laying back listening to my preprogrammed library of music on my computer.

I love having all my music where I can play it any way or time I want.

I'm the boss.

Joe
 
The Dude said:
anotherguy said:
Aren't 45s close to 65 as well?

I believe they are buddy... I LOVE MY RECORDS!!!!!!! (I only get first pressings,I DO NOT WANT DIGITAL GARBAGE (Not as good sound) ON MY ANALOGUE RECORDS!!!)

joeybabe25 said:
While you're up and down, up and down changing your LP's, I'll be laying back listening to my preprogrammed library of music on my computer.

I love having all my music where I can play it any way or time I want.

I'm the boss.

Joe

To each their own, I say. Having a thumb drive hold as much music as a box of 40 cassettes, that's not a hard one to answer which one to pick. But a vinyl record first pressing or one of the Mobile Fidelity half-speed mastered records played through a good stereo system, preferably with tube amps that's hard to beat, if you're willing to put up with some inconvenience.
 
joeybabe25 said:
While you're up and down, up and down changing your LP's, I'll be laying back listening to my preprogrammed library of music on my computer.

I love having all my music where I can play it any way or time I want.

I'm the boss.

Joe

I like the convenience of MP3s, but I still have albums that I have on LP or cassette that I haven't been able to find on download sites that I need to convert on my own. I just bought a rather cheap turntable that has a USB output for converting to MP3s that I hope will work. And I'll still pull out some LPs to listen to them that way as well. :)
 
I bought a Roxio "easy LP to MP3" at Best Buy, which allows me to record my albums and cassettes onto this computer, from which I can burn them to CD to listen to in the car, and take on trips with me. I store all the music on this computer. Basically, it "digitizes" my music for me.
 
anotherguy said:
I like the convenience of MP3s, but I still have albums that I have on LP or cassette that I haven't been able to find on download sites that I need to convert on my own. I just bought a rather cheap turntable that has a USB output for converting to MP3s that I hope will work. And I'll still pull out some LPs to listen to them that way as well. :)

You have a good probability it will work quite well. A lot of people are doing it. If it doesn't work well... hopefully you have a friend who can check your set-up at tell you it: (1) You got a lemon. Take it back and get a replacement. (2) You picked the one brand that doesn't put out an acceptable product. See if you can return/exchange and get another brand. (3) You need a little tutoring to make it work at its best.

Happy listening.
 
joebtsflk1 said:
But a vinyl record first pressing or one of the Mobile Fidelity half-speed mastered records played through a good stereo system, preferably with tube amps that's hard to beat, if you're willing to put up with some inconvenience.

I couldnt agree more!!!!!!!! (ANALOGUE IS THE BEST!!)
 
[size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size]Hey Dude, miss you on the FWG! I wrote a song in your honor!

[size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt]HEY DUDE[/size][/size][/size][/size]

Hey Dude, where you goin' with that gun of your hand
Hey Dude, I said where you goin' with that gun in your hand, oh
I'm goin' down to shoot my old lady
You know I caught her messin' 'round with another man
Yeah, I'm goin' down to shoot my old lady
You know I caught her messin' 'round with another man
Huh! and that ain't cool
Huh hey Dude, I heard you shot your mamma down
You shot her down now
Hey Dude, I heard you shot your lady down
You shot her down in the ground yeah!
Yeah!
Yes, I did, I shot her
You know I caught her messin' round messin' round town
Huh, yes I did I shot her
You know I caught my old lady messin' 'round town
And I gave her the gun
And I shot her
Alright
Shoot her one more time again baby!
Yeah!
Oh dig it
Oh alright
Hey Dude,
Where you gonna run to now where you gonna go
Hey Dude, I said
Where you gonna run to now where you gonna go
I'm goin' way down south
Way down to mexico way
Alright
I'm goin' way down South
Way down where I can be free
Ain't no one gonna find me
Ain't no hang-man gonna
He ain't gonna put a rope around me
You better believe it right now
I gotta go now
Hey, Dude
You better run on down
Goodbye everybody
Hey, hey Dude...
 
Thank you for that song buddy!!

Ya I dont post in my thread anymore,they changed the rules and it just doesnt seem like MY GAME so its no fun posting in it for me.... (Im not mad at anyone)
 
carts

Seems to me we started using "carts" around the mid 1960's (Macartas, as I recall). What a nice innovation but heavy on maintenance. Sure was a lot nicer than queing up a buncj of reel-to-reel tapes for commercials.
 
Tying this thread back to the beginning (well, close anyway)...RCA's original 45rpm changer was exactly that; just a changer without amp or speaker. (A component really, before the term was ever thought of.) People who bought RCA radios around that time noticed a small female connector on the back and must have wondered what it was for. They soon found out, and that's why one of our most familiar electronic friends is called an "RCA plug."
 
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