The Music & State of Alternative 2023

[PrezSquid]

AND NOW

Acts in coachella that had appearences on alternative stations or are indie/rock influecned
Gorillaz, The Chemical Brothers, Blondie, Wet Leg, Yves Tumor, Muna, YUNGBLUD, TV Girl, boygenius, Sleaford Mods, the Murder Capital, Underworld, Remi Wolf, Los Fabulosos Cadillacs, Snail Mail, Rebelution, Horsegirl, blink-182, Dominic Fike, Willow, Christine and the Queens, Weyes Blood, Alex G, Stick Figure, Cannons, Momma

and ironically, half of these are artists that many alternative stations don't touch, making coachella more ahead of the time for alternative than alternative itself. lol

 

[PrezSquid]

but i guess if coachella doesn't headline depeche mode, red hot chili peppers, queens of the stone age, blink-182, the killers, cage the elephant, foo fighters or whatever then its automatically a pop festival xD

 

[PrezSquid]

the gen x-only gatekeeping of alternative radio was a disaster for the human race

 

[TheBigA]

If alternative didn't exist as a format, I wouldn't even be into radio lol. I like top 40, hip hop, classics here and there, but as formats i'm not interested in them much, and classic stations are doo doo poo poo caca

That's OK. Lots of other people do.

 

[PrezSquid]

That's OK. Lots of other people do.

so alternative doesn't deserve to exist as a format because...?

 

[PrezSquid]

this forum on alternative:

i'm done talking about this it's going in circles lol

 

[TheBigA]

so alternative doesn't deserve to exist as a format because...?

Who said that? There are many ways to do the format. Not all of them will appeal to you.

 

[davideduardo]

No because I'm not a moron,

Maybe not, but you really need to quit insulting the varieties of music that you personally don't like.... such as calling them "caca" which is Spanish for "s--it"

but I can still name 10-15 artists in this year's that count as alternative.

And most were on the secondary stages, not the main one.

 

[PrezSquid]

Maybe not, but you really need to quit insulting the varieties of music that you personally don't like.... such as calling them "caca" which is Spanish for "s--it"

And most were on the secondary stages, not the main one.

I was mostly goofing off with that, I don't hate the music of those formats, I just don't like the formats that much compared to alternative which is what I nerd on

And? Doesn't that matter they're still headlining for the festival? I guess small artists don't need the support to become the main headliners. so rock is dead or something i guess rip rock maybe foo fighters and metallica can do something again to save it @_@

 

[davideduardo]

I was mostly goofing off with that, I don't hate the music of those formats, I just don't like the formats that much compared to alternative which is what I nerd on

I guess we live on different planets, one where you can take nouns ("nerd") and make verbs out of them at will.

Of course, when I was born, nerdishness was decades away from being created and an ideal vacation was visiting "gay paree".

And? Doesn't that matter they're still headlining for the festival?

Both Coachella and Stagecoach have over 20 "headliners" a day over 3 days. Very little of what I heard at Coachella was alternative, just like very little of the Stagecoach "mane stage" events had steel guitars and fiddles.

I guess small artists don't need the support to become the main headliners. so rock is dead or something i guess rip rock maybe foo fighters and metallica can do something again to save it @_@

In the specific case of Coachella, to fill an 80,000 person venue twice, alternative won't work so they have moved towards a different sound... on that, as I said before, includes Bad Bunny.

 

[PrezSquid]

Both Coachella and Stagecoach have over 20 "headliners" a day over 3 days. Very little of what I heard at Coachella was alternative, just like very little of the Stagecoach "mane stage" events had steel guitars and fiddles.

Did you listen to any of the artists I listened to above?

because you seem to be thinking alternative is just guitars

 

[PrezSquid]

because how the hell is THIS not alternative?

 

[PrezSquid]

or this:

or THIS:

or THIS:

im telling ya, alternative is still there, doesnt matter if its a small percentage, its better than nothing

 

[PrezSquid]

youre focusing on bad bunny, and not listing any artists you specifically mentioned, I highly doubt you were there.

Meanwhile a music director from 91X went and saw a bunch of various artists there from alternative AND pop.

 

[PrezSquid]

i got the receipts >

https://www.instagram.com/91xhilary/

 

[PrezSquid]

like you're so focused on "hurr durr this format cant fill in this much audiences" when who ****ing cares? at least there's still alternative bands performing there, but you're ignoring those said bands just like the mouthbreathers on the comments do for dying fossil radio stations when they look at the 3 headliners and be like "HURR DURR NO ROCK IDK ANY OF THESE NAMES ROCK AND ALTERNATIVE IS DEAD" and then they'll never know the 20 acts that ARE literally alternative fitting and may or may not get airplay because they're ignorant on their own nostalgia but then when Blink out of nowhere comes in theyre like OMG A ROCK BAND IS AT COACHELLA OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG THIS'LL SHOW THE TIKTOK KIDS WHAT REAL MUSIC IS. its so disingenuous to the new bands.

 

[radiorobert]

Squid-

You have to understand that entertainment is so split between mediums anymore that when it comes to radio it is it’s own separate world that has to operate by its own rules.

Many of these people here are industry professionals that specialize in the broadcast medium. That medium doesn’t really speak to a large section of the newer generation of entertainment because streaming makes it difficult to cash flow.

I see your perspective and theirs as well. Used to be radio dominated the entertainment world before the internet got really big. Now things are watered down and it’s harder to get younger people to flip the radio on other than a few minutes of n the car on the background.

This stuff can’t be cashflowed because no one has figured out the chicken and egg to do it. Add to it that broadcast corporations now want very easy, cheap research and quick products.

This stuff you are pointing out is just the reality of the difference between wider culture and broadcasting in 2023.

What the music industry will or won’t do is what they will or won’t do and how people consume it has changed.

You spam posting the board like this isn’t helpful nor does it help others take you serious.

Yeah a lot of these people are older and will apply their world to broadcasting.

 

[TheBigA]

Many of these people here are industry professionals that specialize in the broadcast medium. That medium doesn’t really speak to a large section of the newer generation of entertainment because streaming makes it difficult to cash flow.

Except that the broadcasters also own streaming platforms. And quite often they'll move unprofitable music services off broadcast and onto their other platforms such as HD or streaming.

What I see is that some people want broadcasting to become a free music service rather than subscribing to Spotify or Apple. That's not what broadcasting (by definition) is. Broadcasting can't mimic someone's personal playlist. If you want to hear certain groups or songs, that service is available. These alternative bands exist because fans pay to hear their music and see their shows. That's their business model. What some of these posters are saying is their personal preferences should become part of a curated service, and they have no data that proves their personal preferences are objectively better than what is being played.

 

[radiorobert]

Except that the broadcasters also own streaming platforms. And quite often they'll move unprofitable music services off broadcast and onto their other platforms such as HD or streaming.

What I see is that some people want broadcasting to become a free music service rather than subscribing to Spotify or Apple. That's not what broadcasting (by definition) is. Broadcasting can't mimic someone's personal playlist. If you want to hear certain groups or songs, that service is available. These alternative bands exist because fans pay to hear their music and see their shows. That's their business model. What some of these posters are saying is their personal preferences should become part of a curated service, and they have no data that proves their personal preferences are objectively better than what is being played.

Essentially this is what I was trying to get at. I didn’t say it very well.

Yes, often a lot of this Alternative stuff doesn’t do well because the larger masses that would interact with broadcast radio do respond well enough to it.

I simply would add that most who listen to the radio nowadays are older school anyway. If we had younger people interacting with radio more often things might be different. But regardless, alternative today doesn’t garner the radio audience. Therefore the lack of it on the terrestrial airwaves.

 

[TheBigA]

I simply would add that most who listen to the radio nowadays are older school anyway.

The statistics don't show that at all. 83% of people under 30 use broadcast radio. They may not use it exclusively or to the degree people their age once did. But they use it. And truthfully, that has nothing to do with the research about the music that gets played The research shows what music people like regardless of platform. So we know what alternative music people prefer when they make their own playlists, and that factors into the programming decisions at alternative radio stations. The reason radio stations play alternative music at all is because it attracts a younger, male audience that advertisers have trouble reaching.