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The need to secede

J

Journeyman

Tennessee has started a petition to secede from the United States. So has Texas. Well here's what I'm thinking. If Texas is successful in it's attempt to secede, and since IIRC a foreign country cannot own an American broadcast station, any major station owner based in let's say San Antonio would have to sell all it's properties.
 
But a foreign company can be a "parent" to an American subsidiary.

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Would the US have to pay Bush & Bush II their pensions? They will not be US citizens any more.

If Tennessee leaves the FCC might get to auction 650 and 1510. Both would fit nicely in the undeserved Atlanta market. 640 WGST in Atlanta gets 650. WDCY 1520 (Douglasville) Atlanta gets 1510. Texas has several nice Class A AMs too.

Seriously, from a Financial angle this would hurt Tennessee. The US government revenue per person inTennessee is $7,755 verses $8,358 per person spent, which means each Tennessean receives $603 per person more from Washington than they send to Washington.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state


Of course Tennessee as a separate county could turn it's Interstates into toll roads to make up the difference.
 
Are y'all really going to waste a lot of your remaining brain cells on this topic? Hey, if your station's licensed to the Confederate State of America, you could go to a jillion thousand watts and hire real pirates! I mean, come on, boys. What's the matter with you?
 
The United States probably would not miss Tennessee. Nobody wants to coach their football team either.
 
secondchoice said:
If the President where a White Protestant Male, how many of these "movements" would there be? Sorry if I am not "PC".
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If the president were white and had done the same things we'd have a new president in Jan.

I'm not PC either.

And that's all I'll say about that......
 
"...If the president were white and had done the same things..."

Then you'd never have heard a word about fiscal cliffs, secession or birth certificates. No one wants to admit why he's being given such a hard time even though the results of his tenure have been a lot better than his predecessor's sorry performance.

51% of the country gets it. The rest...well, let's hope everyone won't have to learn the hard way.
 
Bob1370 said:
Then you'd never have heard a word about fiscal cliffs, secession or birth certificates. No one wants to admit why he's being given such a hard time even though the results of his tenure have been a lot better than his predecessor's sorry performance.
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Geez, is "blame Bush" all you people know how to do? ::) If you still think Obama's record is all that great after another four years, call me.
 
IIRC the first 4 years of Reagan's where not that great either. IMHO we are giving the office of President too much credit / blame. As long as there is capitalism there will be "booms" and "busts". The "real" power is in the US Congress, by constitutional law every money bill must start there. That is why Obama and Boehner are meeting directly.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...eet-on-fiscal-crisis-for-first-time-in-weeks/

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/10/politics/fiscal-cliff/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


Follow the Money!
 
firepoint525 said:
Bob1370 said:
Then you'd never have heard a word about fiscal cliffs, secession or birth certificates. No one wants to admit why he's being given such a hard time even though the results of his tenure have been a lot better than his predecessor's sorry performance.
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Geez, is "blame Bush" all you people know how to do? ::) If you still think Obama's record is all that great after another four years, call me.
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Our topic here is related to the vision some people have that we (in some states) feel like the only viable future is to no longer be part of the United States.

I would point out to you that most of the people making noise about seceding appear to be related to the political stands of the previous president and the party of the previous president.

I would point out to you that the logical conclusion is that people who have faith in the nation and structure as we know it seem to have at least some confidence in the current president.

A better time frame for the phone call to you would be 15 or 20 years from now rather than four years from now. Let the scholars and historians scavenge their way through the records and archives. Let the Joe-the-Plumber average citizens experience another couple of presidents. Then we can have (hopefully) a much less emotional discussion of GWB vs BHO.
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
A better time frame for the phone call to you would be 15 or 20 years from now rather than four years from now. Let the scholars and historians scavenge their way through the records and archives. Let the Joe-the-Plumber average citizens experience another couple of presidents. Then we can have (hopefully) a much less emotional discussion of GWB vs BHO.
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All we have heard from Obama supporters so far is some variation of "at least he isn't as bad as Bush was" etc etc etc, apparently because he still does not have a record of his own to stand on. We saw this repeatedly during the campaign. This to me isn't particularly reassuring. I call it a "negative comparison."

Nothing to see here. You all can go back to your own cities' boards now! ;D
 
firepoint525 said:
All we have heard from Obama supporters so far is some variation of "at least he isn't as bad as Bush was" etc etc etc, apparently because he still does not have a record of his own to stand on. We saw this repeatedly during the campaign. This to me isn't particularly reassuring. I call it a "negative comparison."
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It's very hard to participate in a discussion of people announcing that they want their state to secede from the Union without turning this into a discussion that gets tangled up enough in a political shouting match that the Managing Board Editor decides to shove us off into T-I-O. I work very hard at not being the person who is first to cross the trigger-point. Let's see if I can say this in a way that keeps peace in the family.

You must be listening only to "bush-league" Obama supporters (that's a baseball term, not a political term). In some ways Obama supporters are being a bit quiet about this.... kind of like the superstition of not mentioning that a pitcher has a "no-hitter" going lest you jinx the perfect game. (once again... that's baseball talk.)

Now if you will watch the shows or read the journals where the "adults of the Democratic Party" hang out, you will find them talking rather regularly about the track record of the first Obama administration. Do your research on how many bills he got through Congress compared to other presidents. Do your research on how much progress his administration has made compared to other presidents who took office during troubled financial times. Yes there are some very visible issues he has not been able to get through congress. Again, compare his track record on that compared to other presidents.

I go back to what I said before. Come gather here 15 or 20 years from now when some of the emotional baggage has been put back into storage. Let the historians unpack the statistics in the year 2025 or the year 2033 and compare him to other presidents through the years. For personal preferences and personal political views, you may still be a critic of what he set about to do, but I think you will be saying "He was certainly one focused and effective President!"

And when 2025 or 2033 roll around, take a look back to see how many states actually bolted from the flock, how many did anything serious about seceding from the Union. I suspect your response will be: "What the hell were they thinking, anyway?"

We tried that concept circa 1860. "It ain't purty to look at."
 
The City Paper recently published a map of all the states, with a county-by-county breakdown of those who wanted to secede, as a percentage of that county's total population. Surprised to learn that a number of "blue" states were relatively high on the list. And even some supposedly "swing" states even had a high percentage of voters who "wanted out." We here in Tennessee were actually sort of "in the middle" on that map.

I have not signed any sort of secession petition, but I have a feeling that those who have are just trying to "send 'em a message." I don't think anyone seriously expects a secession campaign to actually be successful.

Still remembering New Hampshire's attempt at a secession campaign of a few years ago. ::)
 
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