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The New FOX Network - Will It Work?

Re: Baltimore Maybe No My Network

> Given how close together Washington and Baltimore are, is it
> technically feisable for Fox to change the city of license
> for O&O WTTG-5 from Washington, D.C. to Laurel, Maryland
> (halfway between Washington and Baltimore) and build a new
> transmitting tower for the station in or close to Laurel??

Washington is a pretty extensive DMA. While most of it subscribes to cable/satellite, there's enough people out there that don't to put 5 at a serious disadvantage if they move 20 miles up the road. In DC itself and the outer suburbs, if Fox didn't have as strong a signal as NBC or ABC, you can imagine they'd see a bit of a ratings drop. In the northern and eastern reaches of the Baltimore market, you'd see WPMT 43/York and WTXF 29/Philadelphia become a factor as well.

You'd also have a local news problem. WTTG is one of the top Fox stations in local news in the entire country, maybe THE top station. It's not odd to see them beat out the bigger networks at 5PM or in the morning. Becoming a Baltimore station as well would dilute their Washington news content. Alternatively, they could simply ignore Baltimore on their local news, but then why bother moving the station in the first place? Media that focuses on both Washington and Baltimore is a rarity. They are two different cities, with two entirely different personalities. On the radio side, WHFS failed in its attempt to get listeners in both markets on 99.1, and it's hard to say if the Junkies (current WJFK/WHFS morning team) will do any better. Washington is a cosmopolitan city with residents from around the world, Baltimore is a blue-collar town with residents who have mostly lived there all their lives.
 
> How many markets is the new network committed in?

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Joseph Gallant Speculation Theatre: What's Missing Here...

> Given how close together Washington and Baltimore are, is it
> technically feisable for Fox to change the city of license
> for O&O WTTG-5 from Washington, D.C. to Laurel, Maryland
> (halfway between Washington and Baltimore) and build a new
> transmitting tower for the station in or close to Laurel??
>
> I would think a COL move to Laurel and building a tall
> transmission tower there (or within three or four miles of
> Laurel) could make WTTG the Fox affiliate for both
> Washington and Baltimore. This way, they would not need
> WBFF.

Yes, this is technically feasible. You wouldn't bother moving Channel 5 at this point, and the spacing to WNYW would probably make that analog move impossible anyway. You'd move WTTG-DT 36, and the FCC would be happy to authorize "first local service" for the poor unserved citizens of Laurel or Columbia or what have you. (Given how loose the DTV coverage requirements are, you wouldn't even need to do that.)

However, it's not going to happen, and here's why, in three acts:

FIRST ACT: Ever been to the Laurel area? It's pretty densely developed. To rimshot Baltimore and Washington from there, you'd want to be on a tall tower - let's say 900 feet, minimum, and probably taller. The chances of getting zoning approval for a new tower of that height in that are about as good as my chances of hosting the in-studio coverage of the Beijing Olympics.

SECOND ACT: Must-carry determinations these days are done not by city of license but by market. Laurel is in the Baltimore market. Move WTTG there, and it's no longer a Washington-market station, which gives cable companies on the western fringes of the DC market (where ALL the important growth is) an excuse not to carry WTTG, or to hold up Fox for carriage payments. (You also don't want to move the WTTG-DT OTA signal AWAY from the growth patterns of the very sprawling DC market if you can help it. If anything, it would begin to make sense for the DC stations to look at tower sites out in Virginia, closer to where the geographical center of the market has shifted.)

THIRD ACT: Baltimore and Washington, while geographically close, are still SEPARATE markets where news and - most critically - advertisers are concerned. Baltimore viewers don't care about DC news, and most emphatically vice versa. They have separate sports teams, separate politics (remember, the growth in the DC market is all in Virginia, and a newscast loaded with VA political news would draw a 0.0 in Baltimore in less time than it'll take Joseph G. to make his next 500 posts), and yes, separate advertising markets, which is where the money is made that allows the station to continue operating. I can guarantee you that the local spot rates on WTTG are commensurate with a top-10 market, while the rates on WBFF or WUTB are considerably lower, as you'd expect from a mid-twenties market. Baltimore advertisers aren't going to pay DC rates, so adding Baltimore coverage to WTTG's reach, while it might bring in more viewers, won't add to local spot revenues at all.

By contrast, Fox makes money from having WBFF as an affiliate - and even more money from having all the other Sinclair stations as Fox affiliates, especially in markets like Rochester and Syracuse where its options for alternate affiliates are nearly nonexistent. It's all in how the game is played nationally now. If Fox can keep Sinclair happy and in the fold by allowing it to retain the Fox affiliation in a relatively stagnant mid-20s market like Baltimore, it can retain its existing strong distribution in other markets. Everybody wins.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Joseph Gallant Speculation Theatre: What's Missing Here...

Scott, you should know by now that Joseph is more about increasing his post total than he is about being right.

BTW, Joseph, that post total of yours is in danger of freezing. You probably missed this post of mine:

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Joseph Gallant Speculation Theatre - Today's Episode: Geography 101

> r566 wrote:
>
> > D.C. is the 8th largest TV market. When one broadcaster
>
> > is off-center, away from the major broadcasters, they
> become
> > the rimshot outcast. Doesn't seem to be a bright move,
> > esp. for courting a smaller TV market(Baltimore is 24th
> > largest).
>
> I thought Washington and Baltimore were a little more than
> 30 miles apart from oneanother, and a city of license change
> to Laurel, Maryland and a new tall transmitting tower there
> would place WTTG's new stick about 15 to 17 miles from both
> Washington and Baltimore. Given how close they are, a stick
> halfway between the two cities would not make WTTG a
> "rimshot" in most of the Washington and Baltimore areas, but
> a strong local signal.

NO IT WOULD NOT!!!

Here's why, broken down in three acts with the help of Google Earth (I just love that little application :) ).

ACT ONE:
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According to Google Earth, the distance between Baltimore and Washington D.C. is FORTY FOUR (44) miles (Yeah it kinda surprised me too as I figured it to be closer to 40 miles myself).

ACT TWO:
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According to Google Earth, Laurel, MD is TWENTY TWO miles from Baltimore, MD

ACT THREE:
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According to Google Earth, Laurel, MD is TWENTY ONE miles from Washington, D.C.

So, following your so-called logic Joeseph, IF News Corp. WERE to have WTTG serve BOTH the Washington DC *AND* Baltimore areas (Which, as Scott has already pointed out in the series premiere of Speculation Theatre, would be SUICIDAL considering the audiences in both cities), they'd be a rimshot in BOTH cities.

Don't believe me Joe? Do the research yourself. Afterall, it ain't like Google charges $$$ for that kind of information, ya know.

In fact, before you start seeing that post total going up by one more post every time, why don't you start DOIN' YOUR FRIGGIN' HOMEWORK FIRST?? This way, we won't have to do it for you.

Just something you might wanna consider thinking about Joe.....

Cheers everyone :)

Pat


> This way, Fox's new programming service would go on their
> UHF stations in both cities.
>
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Re: Baltimore Maybe No My Network

Hi everyone:

> FOX can say no to WBFF to renew them as a FOX station can't
> they? Why would FOX want them to stay as a FOX station in
> the first place, could it be because WBFF would give News
> Corp. money instead of letting their own WUTB 24 go FOX as
> it would be all the same company.

Because Rupert Murdoch, like Sinclair Broadcasting, is a Right-Wing Conservative in his political thinking. As such, it's only appropriate that FOX remain with WBFF (and any other Sinclair station they're on) unless of course they really want to move to WUTP.

> As for the other topic with Baltimore not having a CW
> Network yet. Not sure if they carry Tribune's WBDC WB 50
> soon to be 50 The CW on Baltimore cable but could they if
> The CW does not make it in Baltimore? Maybe Sinclair would
> sell WB 54 to CBS TV or Tribune to make it 54 The CW
> Baltimore.

WHY SELL IT? All Sinclair would need to do is simply affiliate with The CW. Besides, FOX wouldn't want it because A). They'd put the MY Network there and B). They don't have an O&O for the main network (The closest one would be WTTG, which is 44 miles away in DC).

CBS could buy 54 for the CW, but don't they already own current UPN 20 in Baltimore? If so, forget about them landing 54 as well unless Sinclair really wants to unload the station *AND* CBS can get a waiver. Tribune wouldn't be interested because they don't have any other properties in the area.

Just my $.02 worth :)

Cheers :)

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Re: Baltimore Maybe No Ravens For Two Sundays

Hi everyone:

> The Baltimore Ravens will have two home games in 2006
> against NFC teams. If those games are on Sunday afternoon,
> they will be on Fox regionally IIRC. Not having a Fox
> affiliate or O&O by then would mean those games would not be
> seen in Baltimore except by those at Ravens Stadium, sellout
> or not, right? And how would relicensing WTTG to Laurel
> affect this, since Washington has an NFC team most of whose
> games will be on Fox?

Umm...Someone please tell me what this has to do with the price of beans in China....

Cheers :)

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Re: Baltimore Maybe No My Network

Hi everyone:

> > WUTB is the one not attached to one. Fox could sell off
> > WUTB- maybe to Hearst Argyle (WBAL 11 owner).
>
> Technically Hearst can't because of ownership limits.
> Hearst would have to setup a seperately owned corporation to
> hold it and they would just manage the
> station.

Ever heard of DUOPOLIES?? I hear they're quite commonplace around the country these days...

Cheers :)

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Re: NOPE!..really?

Hi everyone:

> What do you mean "WE" Kimosabie?
>
> "I" never said that!
>
> I always thought all of those things were possible.

But you DID say that the new MY Network doesn't stand a chance in hell of working.

And yet StudioTwenty just made a GRAND argument that it WILL work.

In short Garrett....History IS NOT on your side.

Sure FOX will be basically competing with itself. Do you not think FOX has taken this into account? Sure News Corp. stands to lose money - And a hell of a lot too. Do you not think they've taken this into account?

News Corp. is doing what it does best - THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

It's plain & simple.

Just my opinion :)

Cheers everyone :)

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Re: NOPE!..really?

Hi everyone:

> "We" said that a fourth TV network would never take hold in
> the US...along came FOX...
>
> "We" said this FOX cartoon full of yellow characters won't
> last but one season.....
>
>
> "We" said that this fledgling network would never EVER have
> the gall to put up money to acquire the rights to the
> National Football League...
>
> well, ok..but you wont get Major League Baseball----
>
> umm..ok, the NHL...eh...
>
> You ll never touch NASCAR----umm.
>
> What a cable sports network, tailored to specific regions?
> Youve got to be kid----ok.
>
> "FX", whats that? sounds like a title for a bad movie,
> but----
>
> "Family Channel"? Wasnt only watchable, but even when it
> went south, FOX found a sucker to take it off their hands...
>
>
> and...a FOX News Channel??? Incredulous.
>
> Look, FOX knows how the game is played. Even their trash
> somehow makes money.
>
> If anyone can develop another over the air TV network, even
> for their own stations, it will be FOX.
>
> Dont bet against them right off the bat.

You forgot two of 'em bro.... :)

....A 24/7 Reality TV channel? Bold.

....A 24/7 Movie Channel? Absolutely Classic.

Cheers :)

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