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The New Jack FM Goes Air America

C

colonelparker

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If you just could imagine that instead of Jack FM taken over, Infinity should of sold or gave 104.3 to Air America Radio, since WCPT AM-850 has a very weak signal and barely can be heard in Chicago (unless if you have a very strong AM receiver)
Ever since Oldie 104.3 was hijacked and taken over by this new fangled Jack FM, Infinity should of went Air America instead of Jack FM, because theres allot more money involved with Air America, rather than have a boring automated music without any DJs.
Plus Air America would have a nice full complete coverage throughout the city and the suburbs as well too.

I bet you 10 to 1 that Jack FM won’t last very long, because if I read Robert Feder’s Column right, lots of angry loyal listeners of from Oldies 104.3 wrote in and complain about the new Jack FM. And boy! They were angry as hell!

I would rather have Air America Radio, instead of that new fangled Jack FM crap!
Besides, who needs Jack any hoot???…
 
> If you just could imagine that instead of Jack FM taken
> over, Infinity should of sold or gave 104.3 to Air America
> Radio, since WCPT AM-850 has a very weak signal and barely
> can be heard in Chicago (unless if you have a very strong AM
> receiver)
> Ever since Oldie 104.3 was hijacked and taken over by this
> new fangled Jack FM, Infinity should of went Air America
> instead of Jack FM, because theres allot more money involved
> with Air America, rather than have a boring automated music
> without any DJs.
> Plus Air America would have a nice full complete coverage
> throughout the city and the suburbs as well too.
>
> I bet you 10 to 1 that Jack FM won’t last very long, because
> if I read Robert Feder’s Column right, lots of angry loyal
> listeners of from Oldies 104.3 wrote in and complain about
> the new Jack FM. And boy! They were angry as hell!
>
> I would rather have Air America Radio, instead of that new
> fangled Jack FM crap!
> Besides, who needs Jack any hoot???…
>

It probably costs more Jack (pun intended) to run Air America than to run an automated jukebox. I don't if 850 does, but because it's Chicago, you will need a local morning personality to build around. That personality costs money.
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It's funny you say no one needs Jack, obvioulsy Infinity does. Here's why, marketing surveys showed that as "oldies" evolved into 70's era music the in-coming demo hated to be "called" old. Their delima was how do we move the format forward without usng the words "classic", "old" (oldies), "Super Hit's of the..."(refering to time). Now, Jack has been about an 18-month format most places. After 18-months their playlists become just as redundant as any other radio format, and to make it worse they burn songs for us again that we were burned on 25 years ago, and have been burned for years on Hot AC, AC and classic rock formats. But, as I see it, Infinity naming a director of the format for the company means they're going to turn it into a late-60's through 70's based "oldies" station and please that demo by not calling them old, and probably surviving much longer than 18-months. What will happen is a battle between Jack and the classic rock format and in the man time some station in a market will "re-invent" the oldies format and bring it back.

As for your idea of putting Air America on an FM stick...that's some good "junk" you're smoking. They're not billing crap anywhere in the country because it's constantly "Republicans are doing this wrong." It's not about what they (the left-wing) think. It's all complaints, 24-hours a day. Nobody likes a whiner, and that's all I've heard from them. Talk radio works for more right-wing people because they're passionate about their thoughts, they're focused on their issues and it's engaging to listeners for that simple reason (see Howard Stern's reason for success). I'm for Air America's success but they need to do what the Democrats need to do and that's focus.


> If you just could imagine that instead of Jack FM taken
> over, Infinity should of sold or gave 104.3 to Air America
> Radio, since WCPT AM-850 has a very weak signal and barely
> can be heard in Chicago (unless if you have a very strong AM
> receiver)
> Ever since Oldie 104.3 was hijacked and taken over by this
> new fangled Jack FM, Infinity should of went Air America
> instead of Jack FM, because theres allot more money involved
> with Air America, rather than have a boring automated music
> without any DJs.
> Plus Air America would have a nice full complete coverage
> throughout the city and the suburbs as well too.
>
> I bet you 10 to 1 that Jack FM won’t last very long, because
> if I read Robert Feder’s Column right, lots of angry loyal
> listeners of from Oldies 104.3 wrote in and complain about
> the new Jack FM. And boy! They were angry as hell!
>
> I would rather have Air America Radio, instead of that new
> fangled Jack FM crap!
> Besides, who needs Jack any hoot???…
>
 
I get it, this is like a joke.

> If you just could imagine that instead of Jack FM taken
> over, Infinity should of sold or gave 104.3 to Air America
> Radio, since WCPT AM-850 has a very weak signal and barely
> can be heard in Chicago (unless if you have a very strong AM
> receiver)
> Ever since Oldie 104.3 was hijacked and taken over by this
> new fangled Jack FM, Infinity should of went Air America
> instead of Jack FM, because theres allot more money involved
> with Air America, rather than have a boring automated music
> without any DJs.
> Plus Air America would have a nice full complete coverage
> throughout the city and the suburbs as well too.
>
> I bet you 10 to 1 that Jack FM won’t last very long, because
> if I read Robert Feder’s Column right, lots of angry loyal
> listeners of from Oldies 104.3 wrote in and complain about
> the new Jack FM. And boy! They were angry as hell!
>
> I would rather have Air America Radio, instead of that new
> fangled Jack FM crap!
> Besides, who needs Jack any hoot???…
>
 
> But, as I
> see it, Infinity naming a director of the format for the
> company means they're going to turn it into a late-60's
> through 70's based "oldies" station and please that demo by
> not calling them old, and probably surviving much longer
> than 18-months.

You are seeing fuzzy, time to clean those glasses.

Most "Jack's" inluding the one in Chicago, focus on the mid 80's spilling into the 90's.

The whole 70's decade has been skipped. And 60's tunes get a few token spins.

If they wanted to run it the way you explain, they just would have evolved WJMK & WCBS-fm a bit more quicker instead of knee jerking to JACK.<P ID="signature">______________

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Music Coordinator/Technical Support</P>
 
UGH.. hasnt this been hased over about the 850 signal????

They put out the equivalent of 10,000 watts right down the throat of the Loop. On 850 that will play real nicely.

Nice try....Heres your sign....

> If you just could imagine that instead of Jack FM taken
> over, Infinity should of sold or gave 104.3 to Air America


> Radio, since WCPT AM-850 has a very weak signal and barely
> can be heard in Chicago (unless if you have a very strong AM
> receiver)
> Ever since Oldie 104.3 was hijacked and taken over by this
> new fangled Jack FM, Infinity should of went Air America
> instead of Jack FM, because theres allot more money involved
> with Air America, rather than have a boring automated music
> without any DJs.
> Plus Air America would have a nice full complete coverage
> throughout the city and the suburbs as well too.
>
> I bet you 10 to 1 that Jack FM won’t last very long, because
> if I read Robert Feder’s Column right, lots of angry loyal
> listeners of from Oldies 104.3 wrote in and complain about
> the new Jack FM. And boy! They were angry as hell!
>
> I would rather have Air America Radio, instead of that new
> fangled Jack FM crap!
> Besides, who needs Jack any hoot???…
>
 
Jack FM/Air America

a) "should of went Air America"?
b) "allot more money involved with Air America"?
c) "besises, who needs Jack any hoot"?
d) what are you smoking?

> Ever since Oldie 104.3 was hijacked and taken over by this
> new fangled Jack FM, Infinity should of went Air America
> instead of Jack FM, because theres allot more money involved
> with Air America, rather than have a boring automated music
> without any DJs.
> Plus Air America would have a nice full complete coverage
> throughout the city and the suburbs as well too.
>
> I bet you 10 to 1 that Jack FM won’t last very long, because
> if I read Robert Feder’s Column right, lots of angry loyal
> listeners of from Oldies 104.3 wrote in and complain about
> the new Jack FM. And boy! They were angry as hell!
>
> I would rather have Air America Radio, instead of that new
> fangled Jack FM crap!
> Besides, who needs Jack any hoot???…
>
 
Jack-Oldies

Actually, there is absolutely zero correlation between the shrinking Oldies audience and use of the word "oldies" making people feel old. Never has, never will.

The problem is the fabulous job the format has done of branding themselves as
"Oldies" or "Kool" over the years. Those names have become brand names for an era of music (50s & 60s) as much as Coke has for cola and Kleenex for tissue.
A great majority of Oldies stations have evolved from 50s/60s to 60s/70s and are, therefore, a different brand than their brand name of 20 years or so has stood for. So, when you try and recruit new listeners to "Oldies 99", people in their 40s think, "geez, that's that station playing the old Elvis and Beatles and doo wop stuff-it's not for me!" and would likely never give the station a try.

That silly "if you call it Oldies it'll make me feel old and turn the dial because I don't want to feel old" notion is something made up by jocks or sellers who don't get the format.

> It's funny you say no one needs Jack, obvioulsy Infinity
> does. Here's why, marketing surveys showed that as "oldies"
> evolved into 70's era music the in-coming demo hated to be
> "called" old. Their delima was how do we move the format
> forward without usng the words "classic", "old" (oldies),
> "Super Hit's of the..."(refering to time). Now, Jack has
> been about an 18-month format most places. After 18-months
> their playlists become just as redundant as any other radio
> format, and to make it worse they burn songs for us again
> that we were burned on 25 years ago, and have been burned
> for years on Hot AC, AC and classic rock formats. But, as I
> see it, Infinity naming a director of the format for the
> company means they're going to turn it into a late-60's
> through 70's based "oldies" station and please that demo by
> not calling them old, and probably surviving much longer
> than 18-months. What will happen is a battle between Jack
> and the classic rock format and in the man time some station
> in a market will "re-invent" the oldies format and bring it
> back.
>
> As for your idea of putting Air America on an FM
> stick...that's some good "junk" you're smoking. They're not
> billing crap anywhere in the country because it's constantly
> "Republicans are doing this wrong." It's not about what they
> (the left-wing) think. It's all complaints, 24-hours a day.
> Nobody likes a whiner, and that's all I've heard from them.
> Talk radio works for more right-wing people because they're
> passionate about their thoughts, they're focused on their
> issues and it's engaging to listeners for that simple reason
> (see Howard Stern's reason for success). I'm for Air
> America's success but they need to do what the Democrats
> need to do and that's focus.
>
>
> > If you just could imagine that instead of Jack FM taken
> > over, Infinity should of sold or gave 104.3 to Air America
>
> > Radio, since WCPT AM-850 has a very weak signal and barely
>
> > can be heard in Chicago (unless if you have a very strong
> AM
> > receiver)
> > Ever since Oldie 104.3 was hijacked and taken over by this
>
> > new fangled Jack FM, Infinity should of went Air America
> > instead of Jack FM, because theres allot more money
> involved
> > with Air America, rather than have a boring automated
> music
> > without any DJs.
> > Plus Air America would have a nice full complete coverage
> > throughout the city and the suburbs as well too.
> >
> > I bet you 10 to 1 that Jack FM won’t last very long,
> because
> > if I read Robert Feder’s Column right, lots of angry loyal
>
> > listeners of from Oldies 104.3 wrote in and complain about
>
> > the new Jack FM. And boy! They were angry as hell!
> >
> > I would rather have Air America Radio, instead of that
> new
> > fangled Jack FM crap!
> > Besides, who needs Jack any hoot???…
> >
>
 
> It's funny you say no one needs Jack, obvioulsy Infinity
> does. Here's why, marketing surveys showed that as "oldies"
> evolved into 70's era music the in-coming demo hated to be
> "called" old. Their delima was how do we move the format
> forward without usng the words "classic", "old" (oldies),
> "Super Hit's of the..."(refering to time). Now, Jack has
> been about an 18-month format most places. After 18-months
> their playlists become just as redundant as any other radio
> format, and to make it worse they burn songs for us again
> that we were burned on 25 years ago, and have been burned
> for years on Hot AC, AC and classic rock formats. But, as I
> see it, Infinity naming a director of the format for the
> company means they're going to turn it into a late-60's
> through 70's based "oldies" station and please that demo by
> not calling them old, and probably surviving much longer
> than 18-months. What will happen is a battle between Jack
> and the classic rock format and in the man time some station
> in a market will "re-invent" the oldies format and bring it
> back.

That hasn't happened in the U.S. yet (and because of Cancon and other regulations, comparing the U.S. to Canada is an apples-and-oranges situation). According to Lou Pickney, the only U.S. station to drop "variety hits" in Honolulu did so because they got sold to Salem. The first VH station in the U.S. is only 14 moths old. The jury is still out on the legs of the format.

And as for not playing 70s music on Jack--well, I'm hearing Elvin Bishop's "Fooled Around and Fell in Love" right now...
 
> > But, as I
> > see it, Infinity naming a director of the format for the
> > company means they're going to turn it into a late-60's
> > through 70's based "oldies" station and please that demo
> by
> > not calling them old, and probably surviving much longer
> > than 18-months.
>
> You are seeing fuzzy, time to clean those glasses.
>
> Most "Jack's" inluding the one in Chicago, focus on the mid
> 80's spilling into the 90's.
>
> The whole 70's decade has been skipped. And 60's tunes get a
> few token spins.
>
> If they wanted to run it the way you explain, they just
> would have evolved WJMK & WCBS-fm a bit more quicker instead
> of knee jerking to JACK.
>

I acually have heard some 1970s songs, including ABBA and Chic, as well as 70s KC. This was on the Minneapolis Jack, when I heard it. They also seem to play some 70s Classic Hits as well. Some songs in a recent playlist of Jack that I saw from the 1970s is ELVIN BISHOP Fooled Around And Fell In Love, in this hour, as well as a song in the 1PM hour of today, WAR - Low Rider. Even though it isn't much, there is still 70s in the playlist.

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> > > But, as I
> > > see it, Infinity naming a director of the format for the
>
> > > company means they're going to turn it into a late-60's
> > > through 70's based "oldies" station and please that demo
>
> > by
> > > not calling them old, and probably surviving much longer
>
> > > than 18-months.
> >
> > You are seeing fuzzy, time to clean those glasses.
> >
> > Most "Jack's" inluding the one in Chicago, focus on the
> mid
> > 80's spilling into the 90's.
> >
> > The whole 70's decade has been skipped. And 60's tunes get
> a
> > few token spins.
> >
> > If they wanted to run it the way you explain, they just
> > would have evolved WJMK & WCBS-fm a bit more quicker
> instead
> > of knee jerking to JACK.
> >
>
> I acually have heard some 1970s songs, including ABBA and
> Chic, as well as 70s KC. This was on the Minneapolis Jack,
> when I heard it. They also seem to play some 70s Classic
> Hits as well. Some songs in a recent playlist of Jack that I
> saw from the 1970s is ELVIN BISHOP Fooled Around And Fell In
> Love, in this hour, as well as a song in the 1PM hour of
> today, WAR - Low Rider. Even though it isn't much, there is
> still 70s in the playlist.
>

The Timnath, CO Jack is more 70s/80s based. When I heard it, it was pretty much 70s and 80s with some 90s thrown in. stoneage.yes.com isn't getting anymore data from them so I really have no idea about now.
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Jack FM Goes

You're right-on. Most Jacks are playing some cool 70s. The Abba and KC
stuff sort of sticks out but I think that's part of whole wierd interesting
recipe. And Elvin Bishop- great song, huge hit and largely ignored.
>
> I acually have heard some 1970s songs, including ABBA and
> Chic, as well as 70s KC. This was on the Minneapolis Jack,
> when I heard it. They also seem to play some 70s Classic
> Hits as well. Some songs in a recent playlist of Jack that I
> saw from the 1970s is ELVIN BISHOP Fooled Around And Fell In
> Love, in this hour, as well as a song in the 1PM hour of
> today, WAR - Low Rider. Even though it isn't much, there is
> still 70s in the playlist.
>
 
> It's funny you say no one needs Jack, obvioulsy Infinity
> does. Here's why, marketing surveys showed that as "oldies"
> evolved into 70's era music the in-coming demo hated to be
> "called" old. Their delima was how do we move the format
> forward without usng the words "classic", "old" (oldies),
> "Super Hit's of the..."(refering to time). Now, Jack has
> been about an 18-month format most places. After 18-months
> their playlists become just as redundant as any other radio
> format, and to make it worse they burn songs for us again
> that we were burned on 25 years ago, and have been burned
> for years on Hot AC, AC and classic rock formats. But, as I
> see it, Infinity naming a director of the format for the
> company means they're going to turn it into a late-60's
> through 70's based "oldies" station and please that demo by
> not calling them old, and probably surviving much longer
> than 18-months. What will happen is a battle between Jack
> and the classic rock format and in the man time some station
> in a market will "re-invent" the oldies format and bring it
> back.


I agree. Air America is 24 hours of complaining. I listened and it sucked. Don't anyone tell me that "Well republican radio personalities do also" The answer to that is NO THEY DON'T that is why they are successful. Also I am against talk radio on FM also. Leave it on AM. By the way I have gotton WCPT in Chicago, at my home in Park Forest and Elgin and Waukeegan with my car Radio and the signal was great so that covers the Chicago area.
>
> As for your idea of putting Air America on an FM
> stick...that's some good "junk" you're smoking. They're not
> billing crap anywhere in the country because it's constantly
> "Republicans are doing this wrong." It's not about what they
> (the left-wing) think. It's all complaints, 24-hours a day.
> Nobody likes a whiner, and that's all I've heard from them.
> Talk radio works for more right-wing people because they're
> passionate about their thoughts, they're focused on their
> issues and it's engaging to listeners for that simple reason
> (see Howard Stern's reason for success). I'm for Air
> America's success but they need to do what the Democrats
> need to do and that's focus.
>
>
> > If you just could imagine that instead of Jack FM taken
> > over, Infinity should of sold or gave 104.3 to Air America
>
> > Radio, since WCPT AM-850 has a very weak signal and barely
>
> > can be heard in Chicago (unless if you have a very strong
> AM
> > receiver)
> > Ever since Oldie 104.3 was hijacked and taken over by this
>
> > new fangled Jack FM, Infinity should of went Air America
> > instead of Jack FM, because theres allot more money
> involved
> > with Air America, rather than have a boring automated
> music
> > without any DJs.
> > Plus Air America would have a nice full complete coverage
> > throughout the city and the suburbs as well too.
> >
> > I bet you 10 to 1 that Jack FM won’t last very long,
> because
> > if I read Robert Feder’s Column right, lots of angry loyal
>
> > listeners of from Oldies 104.3 wrote in and complain about
>
> > the new Jack FM. And boy! They were angry as hell!
> >
> > I would rather have Air America Radio, instead of that
> new
> > fangled Jack FM crap!
> > Besides, who needs Jack any hoot???…
> >
>
 
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