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The New KCBS TOH Station ID
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Newsperson responds:
A legal ID could be "KCBS and KFRC-FM San Francisco."
I have always heard KFRC-FM and thought for some reason there must be a KFRC-AM somewhere. If not a legal ID could simple be:
KCBS and KFRC San Francisco.
No doubt there will be lots of promo added to it like....all news KCBS 740 and KFRC 106.9.
What are your thoughts on how they will ID the stations?
Newsperson
A legal ID could be "KCBS and KFRC-FM San Francisco."
I have always heard KFRC-FM and thought for some reason there must be a KFRC-AM somewhere. If not a legal ID could simple be:
KCBS and KFRC San Francisco.
No doubt there will be lots of promo added to it like....all news KCBS 740 and KFRC 106.9.
What are your thoughts on how they will ID the stations?
Newsperson
Your forgetting the HD side of the signals.
Let's be realistic -- as long as they get the two sets of call letters and "San Francisco" in somewhere, the FCC isn't going to care. The only legal ID fines these days are for simply not doing them.
It would be simple, but it wouldn't be legal. Despite the fact that there is no KFRC (AM), 106.9 is licensed as KFRC-FM, and must ID as such. If you want to get completely technical, even "KCBS and KFRC-FM, San Francisco" wouldn't be legal because there's "illegal content" between "KCBS" and "San Francisco." Also, there has to be some recognition of HD in the ID, and although there are no rules on how to do so, CBS has been having all their stations ID like "KFRC-FM and KFRC-FM HD1, San Francisco."
So...you get KCBS, KFRC and the HDs for both in there...and there'll be a clock adjustment to play the entire legal ID and still hit the network on time.
(Legal ID rules are here, btw.)
newsperson said:
It would be simple, but it wouldn't be legal. Despite the fact that there is no KFRC (AM), 106.9 is licensed as KFRC-FM, and must ID as such. If you want to get completely technical, even "KCBS and KFRC-FM, San Francisco" wouldn't be legal because there's "illegal content" between "KCBS" and "San Francisco." Also, there has to be some recognition of HD in the ID, and although there are no rules on how to do so, CBS has been having all their stations ID like "KFRC-FM and KFRC-FM HD1, San Francisco."
So...you get KCBS, KFRC and the HDs for both in there...and there'll be a clock adjustment to play the entire legal ID and still hit the network on time.
(Legal ID rules are here, btw.)
I'm betting on new call letters shortly. I'd suspect something phonetically similar to KCBS... maybe KEBS or KCBF.... or maybe they'll get new call letters for "Jack" in LA and move the KCBS-FM monikker back up the coast. Would also not be surprised if they brand the station as KCBS abd bury those pesky call letters in the goold ole' :53 stopset. And yes, 106.9's legal call sign is KFRC-FM.
No new calls. They're keeping KFRC...probably because they are heritage calls in the Bay Area, and might have some use for another music format some day. I recall that before James Gabbert bought KOFY radio and attached those calls to his TV station, he tried to buy the KFRC calls from RKO General. This was before 99.7, and 610 AM was "Magic 61," and only used the calls at the top of the hour. Gabbert realized the brand value of KFRC. RKO General wouldn't sell.
The TOH ID. Simple: "KCBS-AM and KFRC-FM, HD-1, San Francisco..."
The TOH ID. Simple: "KCBS-AM and KFRC-FM, HD-1, San Francisco..."
No new calls. They're keeping KFRC...probably because they are heritage calls in the Bay Area, and might have some use for another music format some day. I recall that before James Gabbert bought KOFY radio and attached those calls to his TV station, he tried to buy the KFRC calls from RKO General. This was before 99.7, and 610 AM was "Magic 61," and only used the calls at the top of the hour. Gabbert realized the brand value of KFRC. RKO General wouldn't sell.
The TOH ID. Simple: "KCBS-AM and KFRC-FM, HD-1, San Francisco..."
The TOH ID. Simple: "KCBS-AM and KFRC-FM, HD-1, San Francisco..."
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kenrayc
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I think The KFRC call leters should go to one CBS's stations such as 99.7 and move the KCBS call letter from JACK FM Los Angeles and change those to reflect the JACK format,say if not already used KLJK.It Just makes since to call it KCBS 740 and KCBS-FM 106.9.
kenrayc said:
Other than us radio nerds, probably one person out of 100 cares, or even notices that any station's TOH ID kinda sorta sounds like the image name. That's why Live 105 is still KITS, Star 101.3 kept KIOI, and The Bone is still KSAN. If your the corporate owner, all 3 of those have potential future use somewhere someday...on a hit music station, a 101 point whatever, or a station in either San Francisco or San Diego. In the meantime, it's easy to just park 'em and give 'em a rest, except for 3 seconds every hour.
Lkeller said:
But not legal. There is no "-AM" in any AM station's legal callsign, and
each station in the simulcast must be IDed (calls and COL) separately.
Disregarding the HD IDs for the moment, the legal ID should be done as:
"KCBS San Francisco, KFRC-FM San Francisco."
I think you could reverse the order if so you choose--IDing the FM first--
but I'll send a closed circuit shout out to Mr. Fybush asking if he's aware
of anything in the rules that mandates the AM side being read first.
Now assuming KCBS 740 is I-CRAPping all over the dial from 720-760,
and since we know KFRC-FM 106.9 has it's regular signal on HD1 (the HD2
channel will ID itself separately on HD2 as it will air classic hits), adding
the HD verbiage in a stripped-down mode would be:
"KCBS, KCBS HD San Francisco, KFRC-FM, KFRC HD1 San Francisco."
If you want to be totally OCD about it (so Uncle Charlie won't have
any impetus to violate you), you'd have:
"KCBS San Francisco, KCBS HD San Francisco, KFRC-FM San Francisco,
KFRC HD1 San Francisco." (Pant, pant, pant...I think I've harmed myself. ;D)
Whatever they come up with, and no matter whether they're :07 late
(language delay), :09 late (I-CRAP delay), or :16 late (language + I-CRAP
delay), just make sure in the live real time air studio you hit the bong!
kenrayc said:
Heck, I think 99.7 should change its callsign back to KNBC-FM. That would *really* be heritage calls! And 98.9 could return to KJBS-FM, 106.1 could be KGO-FM, and...and...and... [see below]
As for station IDs and the like, there have been some doozies:
There was "KABL Oakland, KABL-FM San Francisco, in the air everywhere over San Francisco". There was "KYA and KOIT San Francisco". There was "KICU Visalia, also KSAN-TV San Francisco". Today there is "KQED-FM San Francisco and KQEI North Highlands/Sacramento".
There was an illegal one: "KGO with FM, News and Conversation for San Francisco"
Oh, and 106.1 was KGO-FM before it became KFRC-FM, for the record, so if we're talking about heritage....
"CBS plans to retain the KFRC call letters, moving the classic hits music to the "station's HD2 channel" as well as continuing to stream at kfrc.com."
The KFRC-FM Classic Hits will be on HD-2. Come On Guys Get It Right. The ID that is!
The KFRC-FM Classic Hits will be on HD-2. Come On Guys Get It Right. The ID that is!
I know my needle is stuck in this groove, but...
Move the KFRC call letters to 1550. Figure out a way to put the KFRC audio from the computer that is spawning it through to the transmitter in Belmont. Mix in some more '50s and '60s sounds. Every once in a while, pay tribute to your heritage by playing a few minutes of Dr. Don Rose, Mark McKay, Don Sainte-Johnn, John Mack Flanagan, et al., from classic airchecks. (There has to be an archive of them somewhere...)
As for the FM's call letters, I believe it was the wise philosopher known simply as "The Rock" who once so succinctly intoned "It doesn't matter what your name is!"
(When you read this, Mike Preston and Tim Jordan, simply roll your eyes, shake your heads and move on to the next post.)
The rest of you may relive the true glory days of one of radio's greatest stations -- without argument -- at www.Big610.com.
DJ
Move the KFRC call letters to 1550. Figure out a way to put the KFRC audio from the computer that is spawning it through to the transmitter in Belmont. Mix in some more '50s and '60s sounds. Every once in a while, pay tribute to your heritage by playing a few minutes of Dr. Don Rose, Mark McKay, Don Sainte-Johnn, John Mack Flanagan, et al., from classic airchecks. (There has to be an archive of them somewhere...)
As for the FM's call letters, I believe it was the wise philosopher known simply as "The Rock" who once so succinctly intoned "It doesn't matter what your name is!"
(When you read this, Mike Preston and Tim Jordan, simply roll your eyes, shake your heads and move on to the next post.)
The rest of you may relive the true glory days of one of radio's greatest stations -- without argument -- at www.Big610.com.
DJ
Newname said:
Oooh! TV trivia!
KICU (Channel 43 in Visalia/Fresno) dated back to around 1960. KSAN-TV in San Francisco was Channel 32, headquartered in the Western Merchandise Mart on Market Street. It used those call letters back in the 1950s and early 1960s.
(Right, DK?)
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kenrayc
Guest
KICU was channel 43 in Visalia from 1961-1968 when it went dark. It was a independent that never converted to color. I was 7 when it went dark.
I'm in favor of anything that keeps the KFRC call in the Bay area, but as for the reprogramming of 1550, why would they do that there and not on 106.1, unless it's bleeding too much cash.
And how does this affect the A's games? Could this open the door to the long-expected move to KTRB?
And how does this affect the A's games? Could this open the door to the long-expected move to KTRB?
BossRadioDJ said:
BossRadioDJ said:
Close datewise. I remember it from 1967. The Patterson family, longtime owners of KSAN (1450, now KEST) and KSAN-TV (channel 32, later KNEW-TV, then KQEC, now KMTP) also owned KICU on channel 43 in Visalia. They had owned KSAN-TV since something like 1958, and somehow kept the thing on the air with low-budget movies, wrestling, and industrial films ("The Joy of Welding", et al). Well, they eventually ran a simulcast of industrial films all day and into the evening from KICU to KSAN-TV until they were able to sell the station to Metromedia in 1967. I remember it from the final days in '67. I'm not sure when they began the simulcast. For a time it, and 14 (KCSM-TV) and 36 (KGSC, now KICU) were the only UHF TV stations we could get on our new "all channel " TV. My parents had bought the TV to watch the final episodes of "The Fugitive" in color! Apparently a lot of color TVs were sold in those weeks.
Re: KSAN-TV (Channel 32)
Carter B. Smith told me an amazing story a few months ago about how a few of the guys from KSAN (1450 AM), which was also located in the Merchandise Mart, went out late one night and hired a young lady who danced, sans clothing, at a local club.
They brought her back to the station, took her into the TV studio, had her disrobe, turned on the lights and the camera, and had her lay there verrrrrrrrrry still for a while, thereby burning a vision of her, sans clothing, into the image orthicon tube of the camera.
The next morning, when the station came back on the air, the cameraman turned on the camera and was greeted by a most interesting sight...
(We haven't heard from Carter B. for a while. Carter, are you out there?)
And now, back to our regularly scheduled thread.
DJ
Carter B. Smith told me an amazing story a few months ago about how a few of the guys from KSAN (1450 AM), which was also located in the Merchandise Mart, went out late one night and hired a young lady who danced, sans clothing, at a local club.
They brought her back to the station, took her into the TV studio, had her disrobe, turned on the lights and the camera, and had her lay there verrrrrrrrrry still for a while, thereby burning a vision of her, sans clothing, into the image orthicon tube of the camera.
The next morning, when the station came back on the air, the cameraman turned on the camera and was greeted by a most interesting sight...
(We haven't heard from Carter B. for a while. Carter, are you out there?)
And now, back to our regularly scheduled thread.
DJ
Not sure if this is relevant, but here in NY, WCBS is ID'ing as "WCBS New York" going into the TOH tone and network news. Coming out of network news at :04/:05/:08 (depending on the day part and newscast/spots they are carrying), they ID as "WCBS-HD and WCBS-FM HD3 New York" It's not just one big jumble all at once.
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