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The Nine-FM 70's weekend

The ratings-less Nine-FM continued its recent trend of weekend programming with a "70's music weekend" this past weekend. They have done 80's and 60's weekends as well.

However, in listening for 2 to 3 hours total over the course of the 3 days (starting Friday afternoon), it seems they must have gone to a mighty short rotation of songs. I heard one song 3 times, once each day. Worse yet, while listening for a stretch both Saturday AND Sunday between 4:30 and 5:30 PM, I heard 3 of the same songs from one day to the next - mind you during the same hour. It's one thing if it is the current "top 40 station", but another when it is music from at least 27 years ago!

This is so indicative of the problems with radio as a whole these days. The station(s) that thrive on the "we play anything" image - and even they play the SAME songs over and over again.

Nobody asked me, but if I'm programming that on a station that is supposed to "play anything" it would have been a 70's WEEK with ZERO repeats. That should be what they are all about.

Allowing for a "refreshed" 'top 40' every 3 months, that is 160 songs per year right there. Over the 10 years of the 70's decade, that gives them 1,600 songs to choose from. "Anything" should also include album tracks from the major artists of the 70's, which includes the solo works of the 4 Beatles members, Elvis, Elton John, the Stones, Led Zeppelin, Chicago, the Eagles, Bob Dylan, and others. Nine-FM also dabbles in country, and the 70's had hits from Kenny Rogers, Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton, and others. Plenty of artists who would be instantly recognized by most people listening to a 70's music marathon.

Even the 14 artists I just mentioned could have added another 500+ songs to the 70's database, and that is conservative given the multiple albums they all recorded, including several double albums.

There's the "girls of the 70's", such as Carole King, Joni Mitchell, and Carly Simon. The 'top 40' groups such as 3 Dog Night, CCR, Grand Funk Railroad, Bachman Turner Overdrive, and the list goes on, that also produced album after album including cover versions of songs people would know. The compilations, such as Saturday Night Fever and the soundtrack albums.

Not to mention the live concert albums performed and released in the 70's, which contain songs originally released in earlier decades.

My point is that in less than an hour I could have come up with over 2,300 different tunes and tracks from the 70's which either charted in the "top 40", were recorded by top-selling artists of that decade, and/or were prominent on the "top 100" album charts.

And a list of 2,352 different songs, at the average pace of playing 14 per hour with Nine-FM's commercial load - would have taken exactly 7 days. Without one single repeat.

I doubt anyone has THAT on their Ipod or hard drive, or could re-create that. This would be the station that "plays anything" having a 70's marathon, and putting other stations to shame that repeat their oldies playlists day after day.

And give people a reason to listen, to hear a station actually do this.

Heck - they could feature one full decade every week for a month and do the same thing. While playing songs at the most 1 time every month.

If Nine-FM would live up to their slogan, they'd then be "Staying Alive", which is the song I heard 3 times in less than 3 hours of listening time. If they are going to continue to repeat their music with that slogan, they will also get a repeat of a lack of ratings.
 
Last year I heard them play the same block of songs within six hours. It was on a Sunday and about 3 pm when they played Danke Schoen and some others. Later that night about 9 pm, they went to Danke Schoen and the rest of the songs in the same order.
 
Dave said;
..."a list of 2,352 different songs, at the average pace of playing 14 per hour with Nine-FM's commercial load - would have taken exactly 7
days. Without one single repeat."

Hootmon describes the songs "in the same order." That probably means they were on reel tape. WOW is that from the 60's!

Dave, you (and I) are from Chicago so I'll cut you some slack. I know you are wanting fewer or no repeats, but you also want songs people remember. Frankly, from a radio pd standpoint, your idea is poo.

Here's why; Do you remember "The Theme from Which Way is Up" by Stargard?

Me either. It ranked at #21 and charted for 7 weeks in 1978.

According to Joel Whitburn's book, the Billboard Book of top 40 Hits
(the author is a recognized source for radio program directors) there were 154 #1 songs in that decade.

EVERYONE would recognize THOSE, right? You also wouldn't be embarrased when "Which Way is Up" played and people pushed the Kathy and Judy button again.

154 songs at 14 songs an hour would take over 11 hours.

If you added (I'm estimating now) 200 #2 songs, and 250 #3 songs, you'd have about 600 songs, an over 30 hour supply, probably more than enough for a 3 day weekend.

Or you could play all of the 70's songs that made the TOP 10 and surely cover 168 hours in a week, without a "KLINKER" in the bunch, and sound MUCH better because the songs would ALL be "FAMILIAR."

AND we haven't yet included a single album cut.

You also said, "I doubt anyone has THAT on their Ipod or hard drive, or could re-create that."

Well,, "no brag - just fact" as radio-info poster Ultimajock says, but I have over 10,000 songs from 1940-1985 in my personal i-pod.

Just another opinion. Success and best wishes to you!
 
Hammondo posted:
Or you could play all of the 70's songs that made the TOP 10 and surely cover 168 hours in a week, without a "KLINKER" in the bunch, and sound MUCH better because the songs would ALL be "FAMILIAR." AND we haven't yet included a single album cut.


I respect your points, Hammondo, and you got me by being one of the few who has that type of variety on an Ipod.

However, my point was focused on the station that says "We Play Anything" and then keeps repeating songs that are played on the other stations with such limited playlists. I'm not against repeats, as I understand that certain formats demand it.

If Nine-FM is going to be just like everybody else, then there is no reason to listen to them. Another thread on this site has been discussing the shortcomings of Jack-FM, which came into Chicago AFTER Nine-FM and has crushed them.

Some people bought "The Theme from Which Way Is Up" to keep it on the charts for 7 weeks. True, I can't hum a few bars, but maybe if I did hear it on Nine-FM I'd go "wow! I haven't heard this in years..." and start remembering words or the melody.

I do and will continue to question the "top 10" mentality. One example is Jimmy Buffet. I don't think his "hits" combined sold enough to make one top 5 song, but the guy sells out concerts anywhere he feels like it even 30 years later. (I'll add that I am not a Buffet fan, but would certainly understand if his songs were played a lot more often than they have been.)

Yes, people like the familiar. But when you have a radio station looking to fill a niche, a blown opportunity to do just that deserves to be pointed out.
 
Dave,
I agree the situation there IS a "blown opportunity." I'm glad you recognized that I was having some FUN with you. but I really meant what I said.

I also think that "We Play Anything" is a HORRIBLE positioning statement.
WHERE are the polkas? (seriously, it IS Chicago)
Where is the Salsa music? (It IS Chicago)
Where is the Greek Music?
Where is the Classical?
Sounds like "We are the station so desperate we LIE!!!!"

PS For over 20 years I had access to radio auditorium tests and Jimmy
Buffett ALWAYS tests very high in those, and Chicago is a Buffett hot-spot. Also, if you believe those tests, you could play "Chicago "if You Leave Me Now" once an hour and have every woman over 40 as a listener.

You may disagree, but I believe the target for "Jack" needs alot of familiar stuff, and "just enough" O WOW! to do well. My skills are NOT near programming "lower chart" ranked songs. I could NEVER listen to that, either, but I'm an experienced "old fart" whose been out of radio ownership for 23 years. Now, I'm wgn's biggest fan from over 150 miles away.

Peace!
 
Hammondo wrote:
You may disagree, but I believe the target for "Jack" needs alot of familiar stuff, and "just enough" O WOW! to do well. My skills are NOT near programming "lower chart" ranked songs.


Actually, I do agree with that part of it. JACK-FM is not consistent. My point on Nine-FM was more because of their "70's weekend" and how it could apply to overall. And I'm not against repeats either. But these stations supposedly gear themselves toward variety. Variety without rhyme or reason doesn't cut it, nor does frequent repeats when they allow themselves to play thousands of songs.

Just my opinion, but I think that core artists for a particular music format can be played more in depth to open up the playlists. In other words, a song that only made it to "number 28" done by Kenny Rogers or Neil Diamond (for example) will have listener recognition because of the artist, whereas a one or two hit wonder from 30 years ago probably won't.

Adding these artists would add hundreds of additional songs to the playlist. We don't have to keep hearing the same 10 Elton John songs over and over when he has had several entire albums among the top sellers.

Hopefully, Nine-FM will play more than 70 minutes of the same music from the 70's next time around!
 
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