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Huh, looks like the Format is equally as poor as those annoying TV Spots! Never in my life have I ever seen such stupid, senseless, meaningless, useless, poor taste, dispicable commercial for a radio station, but what could you expect from CBS/ infinity!! Hey Doug your choice for a new format didnt fly, whats next/ Consult someone who knows radio, before you make future decisions, Ask Bobby Ocean, or John Mack Flanagan, or James Gabbert, these guys might be able to help, you buried 99.7, and when and if you flip back, KOIT has gobbled up your listeners, along with XM, and Sirius! Im anxious to see what the future of Movin will bring!! Kenny in Concord
Jay F said:
As posted before, Movin is apparently to be part of the SBS / CBS joint programming venture and will be moving to an Hispanic format early in April. SBS is 10% owned by CBS, and they have such ventures in the Tampa and Washington, DC, markets already. Movin will be moviendo to español soon.
"As posted before, Movin is apparently to be part of the SBS / CBS joint programming venture and will be moving to an Hispanic format early in April. SBS is 10% owned by CBS, and they have such ventures in the Tampa and Washington, DC, markets already. Movin will be moviendo to español soon."
I hate to admit it (since I don't speak Spanish), but that makes sense. Given the high ratings for the KSOL twins, and the decent ratings for KRZZ despite the crappy signal (93.3), a Bay Area Spanish FM with a strong signal could be winner.
David - did you mention before that reggaeton might be the format? I don't believe "La Kalle" rates very high, but that may also be due to signal problems. The South Bay signal (105.7) is strong, but the North Bay/SF signal (100.7) is not. Might they move El Cucuy to 99.7? I'm interested to hear your analysis.
I hate to admit it (since I don't speak Spanish), but that makes sense. Given the high ratings for the KSOL twins, and the decent ratings for KRZZ despite the crappy signal (93.3), a Bay Area Spanish FM with a strong signal could be winner.
David - did you mention before that reggaeton might be the format? I don't believe "La Kalle" rates very high, but that may also be due to signal problems. The South Bay signal (105.7) is strong, but the North Bay/SF signal (100.7) is not. Might they move El Cucuy to 99.7? I'm interested to hear your analysis.
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As posted before, Movin is apparently to be part of the SBS / CBS joint programming venture and will be moving to an Hispanic format early in April. SBS is 10% owned by CBS, and they have such ventures in the Tampa and Washington, DC, markets already. Movin will be moviendo to español soon.
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The same format done in Spanish? In LA and San Francisco?
As posted before, Movin is apparently to be part of the SBS / CBS joint programming venture and will be moving to an Hispanic format early in April. SBS is 10% owned by CBS, and they have such ventures in the Tampa and Washington, DC, markets already. Movin will be moviendo to español soon.
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The same format done in Spanish? In LA and San Francisco?
atwater kent said:
Sounds like either a Spanish romántica (pop AC) or the Latino format from KXOL will be the top prospects.
Lkeller said:
Cucuy is the source of many rumors, including possible non-continuation of his soon-to-expire deal. Who knows? The problems have to do with his much-publicized arrest for alleged spousal and child abuse and threatening of police officers in early January; he was off the air for more than 9 weeks through last week, and has been on intermittently since then. I would not bet on him being moved to the better signal; in places like Phoenix and LAs Vegas he was beaten by Piolin (KSOL) by something like 5 to 1 until they took him off.
KXOL is doing well in LA, particularly since the bilingual format allows them better access to general market accounts and the sales pitch is credible: reach the more assimilated Hispanic who is bilingual and likes music of the home culture.
At the moment, this is all speculation, as they are, expectedly, not telling me anything. ;D
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KCBS on 106.9? WHAT A GREAT IDEA~!!!!! I am all for that!
radio dx said:
20 Spanish FM stations... I must have missed about 15 of them.
KSOL simulcast
KVVF sumulcast
KRZZ
KBRG
KSJO
That is 5. Where are the other 15?
In fact, one additional one, KCNL, went away last week.
"Hmm.... I wonder when CBS will wake up? KCBS on 106.9?"
"KCBS on 106.9? WHAT A GREAT IDEA~!!!!! I am all for that"
You are kidding, right? Why simulcast a news station on FM - so we can hear traffic reports in high fidelity stereo? Besides - it's been tried before twice - KNAI-FM "100" (99.7 just prior to KYUU), and of course, the fiasco that was KPIX-FM. KCBS is a much better operation than either of those two, and it's the only CBS station around here with decent ratings, but why waste a frequency they spent so much money to acquire? They'd make more money putting in an automated and jockless Jack, classic hits, or even light rock format.
"KCBS on 106.9? WHAT A GREAT IDEA~!!!!! I am all for that"
You are kidding, right? Why simulcast a news station on FM - so we can hear traffic reports in high fidelity stereo? Besides - it's been tried before twice - KNAI-FM "100" (99.7 just prior to KYUU), and of course, the fiasco that was KPIX-FM. KCBS is a much better operation than either of those two, and it's the only CBS station around here with decent ratings, but why waste a frequency they spent so much money to acquire? They'd make more money putting in an automated and jockless Jack, classic hits, or even light rock format.
"Another failed News/Talk FM.... KGO FM 103.7"
Actually, I don't think KGO-FM should be considered in the same category as the fiascos KIFR or KPIX. Yes - it was not a success in the Bay Area, but part of the problem - IMHO - was that it was ahead of its time. Remember, Rush Limbaugh was still a local talk host at KFBK in Sacramento in those days, and syndicated hosts were rare, and usually on low-rated, low-power AMs. Larry King was one of the few that became big in this era.
The ABC thing was attempt at creating a nationwide talk radio network, and it was not designed specifically for FM. In New York, it ran on WABC-AM, and I believe it was a success there. The hosts were good, including Dr. Toni Grant from KABC (obviously one of the models for Dr. Laura Schlessinger), Ira Fistell, and Owen Spann who left KGO and went to New York to do the morning show. That's when Ronn Owens moved into Spann's morning slot at KGO-AM.
Obviously, it didn't do well here, but I think it might have taken off if given more time to grow. Local KGO management lost confidence in it, and even dropped the use of the KGO call letters after about a year (like it would somehow taint the AM giant), and re-branded it "Talk Radio FM 104," kind of a clumsy handle. Their one attempt to go local was to revive Don Chamberlin's "California Girls" show (KNEW in the 70s)- with the title "Sex Talk," or something equally explicit. It was daring and basically uncensored. But at that point, ABC had decided to sell the station.
Actually, I don't think KGO-FM should be considered in the same category as the fiascos KIFR or KPIX. Yes - it was not a success in the Bay Area, but part of the problem - IMHO - was that it was ahead of its time. Remember, Rush Limbaugh was still a local talk host at KFBK in Sacramento in those days, and syndicated hosts were rare, and usually on low-rated, low-power AMs. Larry King was one of the few that became big in this era.
The ABC thing was attempt at creating a nationwide talk radio network, and it was not designed specifically for FM. In New York, it ran on WABC-AM, and I believe it was a success there. The hosts were good, including Dr. Toni Grant from KABC (obviously one of the models for Dr. Laura Schlessinger), Ira Fistell, and Owen Spann who left KGO and went to New York to do the morning show. That's when Ronn Owens moved into Spann's morning slot at KGO-AM.
Obviously, it didn't do well here, but I think it might have taken off if given more time to grow. Local KGO management lost confidence in it, and even dropped the use of the KGO call letters after about a year (like it would somehow taint the AM giant), and re-branded it "Talk Radio FM 104," kind of a clumsy handle. Their one attempt to go local was to revive Don Chamberlin's "California Girls" show (KNEW in the 70s)- with the title "Sex Talk," or something equally explicit. It was daring and basically uncensored. But at that point, ABC had decided to sell the station.
Ahh Imagine Top 4O Radio on 99.7 with The Big Time Honolulu Jingles From JonesTM™ Cut 1 "The Bay Area's Favorite....99.7 KKGO!" Classic ;D
Lkeller said:
Actually, Llllllew, it's being done -- sort of. The secondary "HD" multicast station on 106.9 FM is a re-feed of KCBS/740, currently enjoyed by the twelve people in the Bay Area that own "HD" radios.
Of course, this same cynicism (that is, mine) probably was also prevalent back in the 1950s and 1960s with that new-fangled thing they called FM radio...
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"Actually, Llllllew, it's being done -- sort of. The secondary "HD" multicast station on 106.9 FM is a re-feed of KCBS/740, currently enjoyed by the twelve people in the Bay Area that own "HD" radios."
Well, sure Daaavid - when you've got commercially non-viable bandwidth to fill, why not? It can't cost anything other than the added electric bill. I'm hoping HD does become viable because I think it's the future for now "fringe" formats like MOYL, Oldies, Classical, etc. that the huge corporations are abandoning.
Maybe I'm guilty of not thinking outside the box, but I think it's a waste to use an FM signal for news and talk. Turning it around, I disagree with those who are saying if Entercom changes formats at KDFC, classical music on AM would be better than nothing. No it wouldn't. At that point, I'll download more classical on my MP3 player, or check out the classical internet stations. Apologies to Kenny in Concord, but I already shell out $100 a month for digital cable TV and $20 for Netflix, so I'm resisting satellite radio until there are no alternatives.
Well, sure Daaavid - when you've got commercially non-viable bandwidth to fill, why not? It can't cost anything other than the added electric bill. I'm hoping HD does become viable because I think it's the future for now "fringe" formats like MOYL, Oldies, Classical, etc. that the huge corporations are abandoning.
Maybe I'm guilty of not thinking outside the box, but I think it's a waste to use an FM signal for news and talk. Turning it around, I disagree with those who are saying if Entercom changes formats at KDFC, classical music on AM would be better than nothing. No it wouldn't. At that point, I'll download more classical on my MP3 player, or check out the classical internet stations. Apologies to Kenny in Concord, but I already shell out $100 a month for digital cable TV and $20 for Netflix, so I'm resisting satellite radio until there are no alternatives.
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