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The Point Tweeks again!!!
- Thread starter knoxbob
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I like the change. I think it'll do well considering Earl is getting more current and Jack already mixes the old and the new. Besides "The Point" now, the only other FM playing 100% old music is WIMZ. I'm surprised we don't have a "classic hits" station here too. I guess 93.1 fits that space now.
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shankman
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I've heard them mention that they are the "best of the 80's" but still, they just play 80's rock hits. From what I understand, they changed out four songs an hour from the 90's to include a broader library of 80's tunes...but won't it burn out quickly if it is just rock stuff. I'd imagine that people wanting to hear nothing but old rock hits will tune to WIMZ. I think 93.1 should use those extra four slots to include stupid 80's tunes that everyone else is too afraid to play.
I say, take advantage of the artists like Milli Vanilli, NKOTB, Janet Jackson, New Edition, Prince...stuff like that. This way they will make the most of their title and KEEP the women that tune-in.
thoughts???
I say, take advantage of the artists like Milli Vanilli, NKOTB, Janet Jackson, New Edition, Prince...stuff like that. This way they will make the most of their title and KEEP the women that tune-in.
thoughts???
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RussAllen
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Ooooh, how do I respond to this thread without sounding a) like a JBG cheerleader b) without compromising JBG intellectual property c) like the dummy alot of people think I am 
I believe that if someone listens to 93.1 for 20 minutes and listens to WIMZ for 20 minutes the differences will be very obvious and an 80's music fan will have an easy choice. I think we can all agree the vibe of the two stations is very different. I am excited to see how things play out.
But what do I know? I'm the fool who had a dream that I could come to Knoxville and compete head on against a station owned by the mighty green giant known as Citadel/Knoxville with a programming department under the direction of the "award winning programmer" er...****** known as Mike Hammond and force them to change formats in two years.
Wait...that wasn't a dream. It really happend. I guess this is why I'm hot.
I believe that if someone listens to 93.1 for 20 minutes and listens to WIMZ for 20 minutes the differences will be very obvious and an 80's music fan will have an easy choice. I think we can all agree the vibe of the two stations is very different. I am excited to see how things play out.
But what do I know? I'm the fool who had a dream that I could come to Knoxville and compete head on against a station owned by the mighty green giant known as Citadel/Knoxville with a programming department under the direction of the "award winning programmer" er...****** known as Mike Hammond and force them to change formats in two years.
Wait...that wasn't a dream. It really happend. I guess this is why I'm hot.
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SoCentralChik1
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Mims,
No...you aren't a JBG Cheerleader, just a Russ Allen Cheerleader! j/k. plus, you've earned it.
Anyway, you mentioned listening to IMZ and MYU for a 20 minute period. I feel like the IMZ outcome could bring quite a variety, while the MYU result would leave me tired of that kind of music by the end of that experiment. I just wouldn't see it as a very high station for TSL. Do you disagree that the addition of those poppy 80's tunes would help the station's longevity?
again, congrats on "being hot!"
No...you aren't a JBG Cheerleader, just a Russ Allen Cheerleader! j/k. plus, you've earned it.
Anyway, you mentioned listening to IMZ and MYU for a 20 minute period. I feel like the IMZ outcome could bring quite a variety, while the MYU result would leave me tired of that kind of music by the end of that experiment. I just wouldn't see it as a very high station for TSL. Do you disagree that the addition of those poppy 80's tunes would help the station's longevity?
again, congrats on "being hot!"
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RussAllen
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SoCentralChik1 said:
Thanks for getting my sense of humor, sometimes it doesn't translate well in writing.
I think the programming of 93.1 is in good hands, I look forward to big things from the station. The best is yet to come.
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bobeeboxer
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I see that WMYU had another UP trend to a 2.5 I believe that is their best ever that I can remember. I find it funny that WMYU could wind up having their Best Book ever and this is ALL BEFORE the Tweak!!! Don't cha just love radio.......All 80's looks like it will fit in well with The entire JBG K-Town group as a whole as it in no way eats into Star OR Hot! and can eat into B 97 which will help Star
Rich, Russ & Bruce The hardest working guys in K-Town!
Rich, Russ & Bruce The hardest working guys in K-Town!
I'll preface my comments with the disclosure that I'm just a listener (http://www.lexandterry.com/store/images/photo-jal-shirt-blk.jpg), so my opinions don't mean much
I like the change. I'm almost 41, and went to high school/college 1980-1988, so I have a lot of memories associated with the music of that era (but not the wardrobe). I see 93.1 and 103.5 as being very different, although there is definitely some overlap in their music. Frankly, I'm about sick of the classic rock format. When I moved back to Knoxville a couple of years ago, I was disappointed to learn that was all WIMZ played anymore (and that JB&B were on). They sound just like WHTQ in Orlando (where I moved from) and WFYV in Jacksonville (where I lived before that). There are 4-6 songs by Zeppelin, Floyd, Skynyrd and others that simply make me cringe when they start because they get played SO MUCH!
I guess the difference to me is that they (93.1) play stuff that I had to tune to 3 or 4 different stations to hear in the '80's, whereas 103.5 plays the same stuff (or less) that they played then. Now, I don't know that I could listen to 93.1 for long periods of time (>3 hours) because they can go on stretches where they don't play anything interesting.
My biggest complaint about 93.1 is that they play the 'single' versions of songs instead of the versions I remember hearing when they were popular. A perfect example is GNR's November Rain. They cut it off before the driving part at the end, which drives me nuts. The whole reason for putting up with the sappy ballad at the beginning is to get to the good part at the end.
I like the change. I'm almost 41, and went to high school/college 1980-1988, so I have a lot of memories associated with the music of that era (but not the wardrobe). I see 93.1 and 103.5 as being very different, although there is definitely some overlap in their music. Frankly, I'm about sick of the classic rock format. When I moved back to Knoxville a couple of years ago, I was disappointed to learn that was all WIMZ played anymore (and that JB&B were on). They sound just like WHTQ in Orlando (where I moved from) and WFYV in Jacksonville (where I lived before that). There are 4-6 songs by Zeppelin, Floyd, Skynyrd and others that simply make me cringe when they start because they get played SO MUCH!
I guess the difference to me is that they (93.1) play stuff that I had to tune to 3 or 4 different stations to hear in the '80's, whereas 103.5 plays the same stuff (or less) that they played then. Now, I don't know that I could listen to 93.1 for long periods of time (>3 hours) because they can go on stretches where they don't play anything interesting.
My biggest complaint about 93.1 is that they play the 'single' versions of songs instead of the versions I remember hearing when they were popular. A perfect example is GNR's November Rain. They cut it off before the driving part at the end, which drives me nuts. The whole reason for putting up with the sappy ballad at the beginning is to get to the good part at the end.
tennvol said:
However, you could say that playing the single versions is being authentic to what CHR stations played back in the '80s. Personally I like hearing the old single versions because they are hard to find on CD.
Is 93.1 really playing November Rain? That was about '91 or '92 I believe. You are right though, the end of that song is the best part.
Damn...I was hoping to see a real crazy rumor on here about 93.1.
You know...something like...hmmmm....
Flipping to talk and their new morning man is Don Imus. You know, something juicy like that.
It does sound to me like The Point is hitting a niche market that has some $$$$ to spend. I wish them luck.
You know...something like...hmmmm....
Flipping to talk and their new morning man is Don Imus. You know, something juicy like that.
It does sound to me like The Point is hitting a niche market that has some $$$$ to spend. I wish them luck.
I agree with the earlier post about the "limited" focus of 93.1's new 80's format. Why stick to just 80's "rock hits"? The station sounds exactly the same as it did before with the exception of two or three 90s or current songs per hour. (And I hated the "rock hits of the 80s 90s and now" thing.)
If they are going to do an 80's format, why on earth don't they add other 80's content besides "mainstream rock" type stuff. What about rhythmic material like Madonna, New Edition, Prince, etc. But even more importantly, why don't they add more of the new wave/synthesizer type stuff that IS the 80's. I'm talking about stuff like Duran Duran, Kajagoogoo, ABC, Thompson Twins, Flock of Seagulls, Men Without Hats, Missing Persons, After the Fire, Dexy's Midnight Runners, Eddy Grant, Culture Club, etc. THAT is the type of 80's rock that I want to hear; not tired junk like Poison, Bon Jovi, and the other hairband and really mainstream rock stuff they play now.
Also, for God's sake, how about some decent imaging and production! The imaging and voiceover work on "the Point" has been horrendous since they dropped Hot AC and went with that "Rock Hits" format. (And don't get me started on how awful and generic the "93 POINT 1" handle is. They should have stuck with "93-1 the Point"). I actually thought the original Hot AC format they did when they first flipped to "the Point" as "80s, 90s and Now" was really good. And the imaging was great back then. I don't know why they didn't stick with a straight ahead Hot AC format. But anyway, the current imaging sounds really cheap and "homemade". It definately needs more "flash" and a lot better VO guy, and a less generic name.
But anyway, should be interesting to see how it all plays out. You've got "the Point", "Jack" and "Earl" all going after basically the same slice of pie. I wonder why someone doesn't try a rhythmic AC format like the "Movin" format that has been becoming popular over the past few months in other cities. Citadel has toyed with it in other markets, and I don't see why they don't move "Earl FM" in rhythmic AC direction. God knows, anything would be better than what it is now. (Don't get me started on how BAD I think Earl is. If you think I think "the Point" is lame, "Earl" is 100 times worse. It is possibly the worst sounding Adult Hits/Variety Hits station I've ever heard and I'm amazed that they continue to keep it on the air. The satellite "Jack FM" format is much better, and the production used on "Earl" is some of the worst I've ever heard for a market of this size. If there is one station in town that is in desperate need for a change, it has to be "Earl FM".
But anyway, just some ramblings about my feelings about "the Point", "Earl FM", and "Jack FM". It's pretty bad when the satellite fed option (Jack FM) is by far the best choice over the local ones. But at this point it clearly is.
If they are going to do an 80's format, why on earth don't they add other 80's content besides "mainstream rock" type stuff. What about rhythmic material like Madonna, New Edition, Prince, etc. But even more importantly, why don't they add more of the new wave/synthesizer type stuff that IS the 80's. I'm talking about stuff like Duran Duran, Kajagoogoo, ABC, Thompson Twins, Flock of Seagulls, Men Without Hats, Missing Persons, After the Fire, Dexy's Midnight Runners, Eddy Grant, Culture Club, etc. THAT is the type of 80's rock that I want to hear; not tired junk like Poison, Bon Jovi, and the other hairband and really mainstream rock stuff they play now.
Also, for God's sake, how about some decent imaging and production! The imaging and voiceover work on "the Point" has been horrendous since they dropped Hot AC and went with that "Rock Hits" format. (And don't get me started on how awful and generic the "93 POINT 1" handle is. They should have stuck with "93-1 the Point"). I actually thought the original Hot AC format they did when they first flipped to "the Point" as "80s, 90s and Now" was really good. And the imaging was great back then. I don't know why they didn't stick with a straight ahead Hot AC format. But anyway, the current imaging sounds really cheap and "homemade". It definately needs more "flash" and a lot better VO guy, and a less generic name.
But anyway, should be interesting to see how it all plays out. You've got "the Point", "Jack" and "Earl" all going after basically the same slice of pie. I wonder why someone doesn't try a rhythmic AC format like the "Movin" format that has been becoming popular over the past few months in other cities. Citadel has toyed with it in other markets, and I don't see why they don't move "Earl FM" in rhythmic AC direction. God knows, anything would be better than what it is now. (Don't get me started on how BAD I think Earl is. If you think I think "the Point" is lame, "Earl" is 100 times worse. It is possibly the worst sounding Adult Hits/Variety Hits station I've ever heard and I'm amazed that they continue to keep it on the air. The satellite "Jack FM" format is much better, and the production used on "Earl" is some of the worst I've ever heard for a market of this size. If there is one station in town that is in desperate need for a change, it has to be "Earl FM".
But anyway, just some ramblings about my feelings about "the Point", "Earl FM", and "Jack FM". It's pretty bad when the satellite fed option (Jack FM) is by far the best choice over the local ones. But at this point it clearly is.
Earl used to be my favorite of the 3. They used to play a lot of seldom heard pop hits from the '70s and early '80s a lot. Now it's gotten more contemporary and bland, and they a play a lot of AC hits that don't really fit (like Faith Hill's Breathe). Now Earl ranks as my least favorite of the 3 stations and I'd be happy to see them flip.
I agree with BRH that The Point should play those artists mentioned. Even '80s station WPOI (also The Point) in Tampa, FL plays all those artists and has been the same format for more than 5 years now with decent ratings.
I agree with BRH that The Point should play those artists mentioned. Even '80s station WPOI (also The Point) in Tampa, FL plays all those artists and has been the same format for more than 5 years now with decent ratings.
I know this topic is almost a year old, but I wondered if 93.1 was broadening their play list some. I've heard the Violent Femmes "Blister in the Sun" twice in the last week, which is definitely not their normal fare. I thought I was listening to Sirius and was a little shocked when I realized my sat radio was off
Yes, just within the last two weeks, 93.1 has been promoting that they are now playing "Everything '80s" which means they are throwing in some popular non-rock stuff now. I've heard Madonna, New Kids On The Block, Milli Vanilli, Kim Carnes just off the top of my head. It's still nowhere near actually being "everything '80s" but it's at least a little better than it was.
Yep, they've tweaked it a bit. I just heard "Cool it Now" by New Edition. That definately wasn't in their library before. I hope they add a lot more mainstream & rhythmic 80s tracks. I still have my doubts though. I don't know why they think it would hurt Star since these tracks are over 20 years old.
Personally, I wish they'd go back to Hot AC or bright AC since there is a huge hole in the market right now. But, if they are going to stick with 80s, I wish they would go completely mainstream with all kinds of 80s stuff and switch the name to something like "Y93, the Hottest Hits of the 80s". They could get an old JAM jingle package from the 80s, some funny sweepers, and add some life & fun to the presentation. Just an idea, but I think it would score higher numbers than the current rock based, boring lean. Anybody else like the idea of a more mainstream and fun 80s presentation?
Personally, I wish they'd go back to Hot AC or bright AC since there is a huge hole in the market right now. But, if they are going to stick with 80s, I wish they would go completely mainstream with all kinds of 80s stuff and switch the name to something like "Y93, the Hottest Hits of the 80s". They could get an old JAM jingle package from the 80s, some funny sweepers, and add some life & fun to the presentation. Just an idea, but I think it would score higher numbers than the current rock based, boring lean. Anybody else like the idea of a more mainstream and fun 80s presentation?
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DoubleC
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How Bout a Fresh AC format and call it MY93 point 1
that will cut into B97 and give JBG 3 of the top 5 stations
that will cut into B97 and give JBG 3 of the top 5 stations
DoubleC said:
I agree. That's what I was mentioning in an earlier post. There is certainly a HUGE hole for a more current based AC format in Knoxville right now. "B97.5" is still leaning very gold (although I don't know why since their ratings are much lower than when they were more current based before Jarnigan returned). And we also have no Hot AC in the market either. I think either a Hot AC, or a Bright/Fresh mainstream AC (like "Fresh 102.7" New York, "Fresh 105.9" Chicago, and "Magic 94.9" Tampa) would be smart move. As I said, I would guess that Journal is afraid of hurting Star's numbers, although I think owning the entire female demos would be a good move (even if a share or so would be gleamed from Star). That would make Star, Hot, and a new Fresh AC a great combo buy for advertisers wanting to hit the female demos across the board.
Anyway, I would certainly welcome the move. I like Hot AC and current based mainstream AC and i absolutely HATE the direction that So. Central and Jarnigan have taken "B97.5" over the past year or so. I agree, there is a gaping hole in between Star and B97.5 that someone should fill.
BRH said:
I agree with both of you.
After years of tweaking the format it is time for a whole new change including the name of the station.
I like the "Mainstream AC idea". I think a new name like, "Fresh 93.1" would be great also.
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