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The Problem With CMT

The problem with CMT, thanks to the brilliant programming gurus at Viacom, is it horribly plays up the redneck stereotype. After all, shows like "Mobile Home Disaster" and "My Big Redneck Wedding" are designed for viewers to laugh at these people.

Aside from that more than a few times during the week CMT airs its share of non-related country and western shows.

Much like MTV before it, CMT now vaguely has something to do with country and western.

As long as CMT has the numbers and money coming in Viacom isn't going to touch this.

Well, there is always RFD-TV complete with Ralph Emery for those longing the old TNN, and then there is GAC for country videos.

///My lawn, get off it.
 
I agree that "Great American Country" is far better than CMT, it's too bad GAC
is on digital cable in some places when it should be on basic cable, if that was
the case, CMT would have some competition, and maybe then they would trend
back to the way it once was.
Meanwhile, i'm glad to see "RFD-TV" is appearing on more cable systems, there
is one in my section of North Carolina that carries them, and i understand they
have working agreements with some larger cable operators, especially Time
Warner, although they may be getting out of the cable television business, but
i hope before they diverse their service they will roll out this network, because
not only do they feature country music programs, but some of the other shows
they have gives them a good variety, and i was surprised Don Imus landed here,
let's hope he can stay out of trouble.
 
Once upon a time, In the late 90s, many cable systems in Indiana (at the time they were CableVision and Insight systems) had replaced CMT with GAC in the extended basic package.

Then TNN went away and the Opry went to CMT, and the customers went nuts.
"I WANT MY OPRY!!!" they said.

So the cable cos. took some customer advice, removed GAC and replaced it with CMT.

The end.
(or is it ???)
 
PTBoardOp94 said:
Once upon a time, In the late 90s, many cable systems in Indiana (at the time they were CableVision and Insight systems) had replaced CMT with GAC in the extended basic package.

Then TNN went away and the Opry went to CMT, and the customers went nuts.
"I WANT MY OPRY!!!" they said.

So the cable cos. took some customer advice, removed GAC and replaced it with CMT.

The end.
(or is it ???)

All well and good until the Opry moved over to GAC a few years back.

Comcast carries RFD-TV in Nashville (imagine that) and I've been pleasantly surprised by their programming the last couple weeks I have been in Nashville (I'm on an internship at one of the television stations). Was especially pleased to see Lorianne Crook & Charlie Chase (who also co-hosts the morning show on the local Fox affiliate) producing new, weekly, shows for them.
 
CMT just like MTV was at it's best back in the 80's and early 90's. I remember them being on Telstar 3 on C-Band and it was awesome to see country music video's. Back then it was very low budget from what I remember, but it was country music video's none the less... To be honest I really do not even know who owned it at the time, but it was fun to watch it... CC1
 
MarcB said:
Before being sold to Viacom like TNN was, CMT was owned by GAYLORD, who if I'm not mistaken own the legendary Classic Country Station 650 WSM.

Correct.

Gaylord, owner of TNN, acquired CMT in the early 90's. CMT was programmed with continuous music videos 24/7, and TNN featured long-form music and lifestyle programming. They were sold to CBS in the mid-90's. When Viacom merged with CBS in 2000, TNN and CMT were folded into the MTV Networks arm of Viacom (joining MTV, VH1, and Nickelodeon). TNN was stripped of most of its country music programming that year, and CMT added long-form programming. Of course, we all know what happened to TNN.

Until a couple of years ago, CMT remained mostly a music format (both videos and long-form programming). Then the bug that bit most specialized basic cable networks (AMC, The Weather Channel, History Channel, Discovery Channel) hit CMT in the form of diversifying programming in the quest for ratings.

As a southerner (although not a country music fan), I don't like what CMT is doing. It is exploiting stereotypes. I suspect most true country music fans have abandoned CMT in favor of GAC and other outlets, as they should in protest. All CMT (and sister outlets MTV, VH1, and BET) are doing is going after ratings (at the expense of quality, original mission, and good taste). BET has constantly gotten into trouble for exploiting African-American stereotypes.

One thing though...don't mess with country folk. WSM-AM has tried to flip formats a few times, and every attempt was meet with vocal opposition. I am surprised there has not been outrage over the direction CMT is heading into.
 
B***s*** talks, (Ad) money walks. Right over to GAC with the Opry.

I'm not a huge fan of country music, but the true country fans left CMT a fair number of years ago I would imagine.
 
Tim-In-Houston said:
All well and good until the Opry moved over to GAC a few years back.
I was not aware of this. Doesn't seem like that long ago I caught the Opry on CMT. But, since I don't have cable at my place, I don't often try to watch the Opry on CMT :p
 
CMT has been down in the sewer with me for the past 5 years now. Nothing even resembles country music on that channel. What on earth are they thinking by showing reruns of Trading Spouses, Nanny 911 and Hogan Knows Best? Who wants to watch someone work on a truck on national TV? They tried showing Hee Haw a couple of years back and that failed very miserably. I don't even have GAC or RFD-TV but I wish that I did.

Guess all things watchable as country music are now confined to award shows.
 
I tell you what, I think TV is going down the tubes (pun intended, lol). God, I mean, all major networks now are showing "reality" shows and that is why I don't watch TV anymore because it's all garbage, except for sports events, I am game (another pun intended), but what has become of MTV and VH1 is sad. I remember hearing people talking about music videos on MTV and now that generation is long gone, now I guess it's the "reality TV generation"
 
DJ Tony said:
I tell you what, I think TV is going down the tubes (pun intended, lol). God, I mean, all major networks now are showing "reality" shows and that is why I don't watch TV anymore because it's all garbage, except for sports events, I am game (another pun intended), but what has become of MTV and VH1 is sad. I remember hearing people talking about music videos on MTV and now that generation is long gone, now I guess it's the "reality TV generation"

Yes, and when MTV and VH1 were all/nearly all videos, the audience didn't have the other options to watch music videos they do today. It was a novelty. Maybe NBC should have kept Friday Night Videos on the air, too.

Today, the Internet and video-on-demand type services render the concept of a channel showing music videos all the time obsolete. A fan can get nearly any video they want nearly any time they want, so why would they sit through countless videos they don't want/care about on the off chance they might see one they like at some undetermined point?

I can just see the message threads had Radio-Info existed about 50-some years ago.

--"I can't believe radio is airing such drivel. Tsk, tsk--such lowbrow things like popular music. That will NEVER catch on."

--"Absolutely. What radio needs to do is stick with 'Fibber McGee & Molly,' 'Little Orphan Annie' and 'Captain Midnight.' That's what MY generation listened to, and that's what will work today."

--"Here here. Nothing should change. This whole 'talking picture box' thing is just a fad. Radio made you use your imagination--now THAT was real entertainment. Just you wait and see."

--"And these new-fangled shows on television just don't compare to the classics. So many pratfalls or perfect families. It's all the same on all three channels."
 
Are you really trying to analogize the concept of "normal" scripted TV shows with old time radio and so-called "reality" programming with hit music? Because it is an absurd stretch.

A better radio analogy for "reality" programming would be the "Jack" format versus more conventional formatting (which would be analogous to sitcoms, dramas, etc.)

These "reality" shows are part of a very tiresome fad that will pass. Yes, like other genres, it's finest examples have and will change television (programming like Discovery's "Deadliest Catch" come to mind) - but the crap will go the way of the panel show. It's not permanent, at least not in its current iteration. Personally, I can't wait for the day when horrors like "A Shot at Love" and "Farmer Needs a Wife" go away permanently. It's just dreadful stuff.
 
BRNout said:
Are you really trying to analogize the concept of "normal" scripted TV shows with old time radio and so-called "reality" programming with hit music? Because it is an absurd stretch.

A better radio analogy for "reality" programming would be the "Jack" format versus more conventional formatting (which would be analogous to sitcoms, dramas, etc.)

These "reality" shows are part of a very tiresome fad that will pass. Yes, like other genres, it's finest examples have and will change television (programming like Discovery's "Deadliest Catch" come to mind) - but the crap will go the way of the panel show. It's not permanent, at least not in its current iteration. Personally, I can't wait for the day when horrors like "A Shot at Love" and "Farmer Needs a Wife" go away permanently. It's just dreadful stuff.

It’s not a stretch at all. The core analogy is that technology and tastes continue to change, rendering “the old way” of doing things less relevant and less attractive from a business standpoint. Radio had to change to survive when TV came along—it couldn’t rely on what it had done in previous years and as it’s doing again as iPods and the like redefine the music ‘experience.’

We generally tend to accept that a hit music station in 2008 won’t sound like it did in 1998 or 1988. That extends beyond the music fads of the day; we accept that differences in overall imaging and presentation will be adjusted to keep up with the ever-churning audience. Simply put, you can’t just recreate WABC (or fill in your top 40 powerhouse of choice) today, and expect the kids will all flock to it just like back in the ‘good old days.’

In stark and illogical contradiction, there seems to be an expectation that radio and TV channels for adults are somehow bound by blood oath to do exactly what they did 10, 20 or 30 years ago. Recognizing that today’s 40-year-old had a fundamentally difference experience and musical frame of reference than 1988’s 40-year-olds—and, thus, moving oldies or classic rock stations forward so that they’re centered during the youth of the target audience—draws howls of protest. There are still posters who insist AC stations that aren’t still playing Barry Manilow and Neil Diamond are too ‘hard’ for them (despite that whole “c” for contemporary thing). When Philadelphia’s B-101 ran their listener-voted top hundred countdown last weekend, it was dominated by the ‘80s—smack at the core of when the audience many advertisers want grew up—and contained some songs few if any ‘soft rock’ outlets would have played 10 or 20 years ago. That’s just a reflection of the changing audience.

Ditto the TV side. TV Land has publicly said its current focus is on boomers, so you adjust the core dates a bit, but the end result is that the people in their target now aren’t the same as when they debuted. I just read a piece by Marc Berman that said TV Land went up between 10 and 20% in its targeted audience groups compared to a year ago. That’s objective evidence that their most desired audience is responding favorably to what they’re doing, not any one person’s opinion.

When it comes to CMT, Viacom moved full-time country music videos to CMT Prime (the old VH1 Country). Overlap and duplication in the form of two full-time channels is not good business. Whatever the subjective quality of their lineup may be, the audience will decide if they like it—and if they don’t, bank on them making changes.

My personal taste is that most reality programming is God-awful, but I understand objectively that many of the shows have an audience to whom those shows ‘speak.’ For example, I cringe at “Jon and Kate +8,” but know a fair number of people who find the parenting experiences the family faces to be relatable to their own lives (albeit magnified on the show). That provides anecdotal insight into some of the reasons it’s popular; its decent ratings provide objective support that it is popular.

Reality is hardly new to broadcasting (“Candid Micropohone” and “Candid Camera,” anyone?). Just as sitcoms have evolved from the days of “I Love Lucy” to “The Office,” and dramas have changed from “Gunsmoke” to “24,” unscripted has moved from the more traditional documentaries and game shows of past decades to the likes of VH1’s ‘celebreality’ shows and “Survivor.” Reality may be having a bigger day in the sun right now and like many phases of TV (when seemingly everyone tired to copy “The Cosby Show,” to cite one example), it will likely experience its own ebbs and flows. The proliferation of TV networks magnified the impact of reality’s upswing, but don’t ignore that the satellite and cable growth has brought much more scripted entertainment, too (“The Closer,” “The Shield,” “Nip Tuck,” “Monk,” “Rescue Me” to pick a few off the top of my head).

Who knows where the next phase in TV is going. The Web will almost certainly play a part in it, but as for what kind of programming….none of us can say for sure. Reality would seem likely to be a part of it, but whether that means more Discovery-type shows or more “Farmer Wants a Wife,” only time will tell.
 
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