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THE REASONS JACK WON'T WORK LONG-TERM

C

chrisr

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Jack-FM programming is ALL OVER THE PLACE. You can't please ALL the people ALL the time. Some of those titles just creep people out. The hard core disco tracks (the format that single handedly killed CHR in the late 70's) will never ever mix well on the same station playing "The Cure" (not a mainstream artist that JACKS just seem to love) into "Zepplin". Jack represents to many era's and seems to have picked out some of the worst titles from those era's. The same man or woman listening to some of the early 70's tracks they play had either outgrown CHR or moved to oldies radio all together and more then likely may not be familiar with some or all of the 80's and 90's titles.

The other problem with JACK-FM's is they play too many "radio pd's favorite songs" that the average listener doesn't know or doesn't like. I'm sorry, but Rock Lobster by the B-52's was never a charting hit. You only hear that song mostly on low rated 80's stations (look it up and match the station, then go to allaccess and look at the ratings). I thought we all learned early in our careers that if PD's want to hear their favorite songs, go home and put in the cd. Those songs (unless well tested and/or big hit) have NO business on a serious radio station trying to get ratings/revenue.

If JACK is to survive long-term, they must get serious and take all the bubblegum titles and unfamiliar songs off and focus on a particular listener. JACKS will (and in some cases already have) developed an identity crisis. Early research already shows it coming apart at the seems. Huge cume/low time spent listening. People are curious as to what they will play next, but when they hear "what's the frequency kenneth by rem into-walking on sunshine by katrina and the waves into-maybelene by chuck berry into-turning japanese by the vapors into-phsycodelic furs-pretty in pink into shakin by eddie money into nothing compares to you by sinead o'conner into live and let die by paul mccartney into i've been thinking about you-londonbeat into anticipation by carly simon into harder to breathe-maroon 5 into dreams by van halen into i'm alright by kenny loggings into the glamorous life by sheila e, they come to the conclusion that this station is not something they can leave on all the time and call their favorite radio station. With all those nasty titles, the station just becomes plain boring and developes it's current low time spent listening problem.

If Infinety had put this format on in New York on 102.7, that frequency would have continued in the 1's. They knew that. They put it on CBS-FM to get response. I hate to tell them, but they will probably not get the response they were hoping for. Yes CBS-FM needed to move slightly younger, but not like this. Whomever made the decision to blow up a VERY successful station and throw 33 million in billing out the door better hopes this works.

My wife had the best analogy yet of these unfocused JACK stations. These stations say their like your ipod on shuffle. She said "it certainetly isn't my ipod on shuffle, it's sounds like some ipod found on the side of the road on shuffle."
 
> Jack-FM programming is ALL OVER THE PLACE. You can't please
> ALL the people ALL the time. Some of those titles just
> creep people out. The hard core disco tracks (the format
> that single handedly killed CHR in the late 70's) will never
> ever mix well on the same station playing "The Cure" (not a
> mainstream artist that JACKS just seem to love) into
> "Zepplin". Jack represents to many era's and seems to have
> picked out some of the worst titles from those era's. The
> same man or woman listening to some of the early 70's tracks
> they play had either outgrown CHR or moved to oldies radio
> all together and more then likely may not be familiar with
> some or all of the 80's and 90's titles.
>
> The other problem with JACK-FM's is they play too many
> "radio pd's favorite songs" that the average listener
> doesn't know or doesn't like. I'm sorry, but Rock Lobster
> by the B-52's was never a charting hit. You only hear that
> song mostly on low rated 80's stations (look it up and match
> the station, then go to allaccess and look at the ratings).
> I thought we all learned early in our careers that if PD's
> want to hear their favorite songs, go home and put in the
> cd. Those songs (unless well tested and/or big hit) have NO
> business on a serious radio station trying to get
> ratings/revenue.
>
> If JACK is to survive long-term, they must get serious and
> take all the bubblegum titles and unfamiliar songs off and
> focus on a particular listener. JACKS will (and in some
> cases already have) developed an identity crisis. Early
> research already shows it coming apart at the seems. Huge
> cume/low time spent listening. People are curious as to
> what they will play next, but when they hear "what's the
> frequency kenneth by rem into-walking on sunshine by katrina
> and the waves into-maybelene by chuck berry into-turning
> japanese by the vapors into-phsycodelic furs-pretty in pink
> into shakin by eddie money into nothing compares to you by
> sinead o'conner into live and let die by paul mccartney into
> i've been thinking about you-londonbeat into anticipation by
> carly simon into harder to breathe-maroon 5 into dreams by
> van halen into i'm alright by kenny loggings into the
> glamorous life by sheila e, they come to the conclusion that
> this station is not something they can leave on all the time
> and call their favorite radio station. With all those nasty
> titles, the station just becomes plain boring and developes
> it's current low time spent listening problem.
>
> If Infinety had put this format on in New York on 102.7,
> that frequency would have continued in the 1's. They knew
> that. They put it on CBS-FM to get response. I hate to
> tell them, but they will probably not get the response they
> were hoping for. Yes CBS-FM needed to move slightly
> younger, but not like this. Whomever made the decision to
> blow up a VERY successful station and throw 33 million in
> billing out the door better hopes this works.
>
> My wife had the best analogy yet of these unfocused JACK
> stations. These stations say their like your ipod on
> shuffle. She said "it certainetly isn't my ipod on shuffle,
> it's sounds like some ipod found on the side of the road on
> shuffle."
>

Personally, I like that mix of music you said. It included some of my favorite genres. Remember, not everyone likes JUST one format, people flip around. I know that my parents are in the demo of Jack, and LOVE it. They kept it on when we were in a market that had one, constantly. They like both Classic Rock and 80s hits, as well as some 90s, so it fits perfectly. So.. whats the demo again? 29-45? If so, they fit in the demo. So all in all, you can please at least SOME people all the time if the music is good, and hopefully that SOME will keep Jack going.<P ID="signature">______________


Moderator, Community Radio board</P>
 
> I'm sorry, but Rock Lobster
> by the B-52's was never a charting hit.

# 56 on Billboard in 1980 - eight weeks on the chart.
 
> Jack-FM programming is ALL OVER THE PLACE. You can't please
> ALL the people ALL the time. Some of those titles just
> creep people out. The hard core disco tracks (the format
> that single handedly killed CHR in the late 70's) will never
> ever mix well on the same station playing "The Cure" (not a
> mainstream artist that JACKS just seem to love) into
> "Zepplin". Jack represents to many era's and seems to have
> picked out some of the worst titles from those era's. The
> same man or woman listening to some of the early 70's tracks
> they play had either outgrown CHR or moved to oldies radio
> all together and more then likely may not be familiar with
> some or all of the 80's and 90's titles.
>
> The other problem with JACK-FM's is they play too many
> "radio pd's favorite songs" that the average listener
> doesn't know or doesn't like. I'm sorry, but Rock Lobster
> by the B-52's was never a charting hit. You only hear that
> song mostly on low rated 80's stations (look it up and match
> the station, then go to allaccess and look at the ratings).
> I thought we all learned early in our careers that if PD's
> want to hear their favorite songs, go home and put in the
> cd. Those songs (unless well tested and/or big hit) have NO
> business on a serious radio station trying to get
> ratings/revenue.
>
> If JACK is to survive long-term, they must get serious and
> take all the bubblegum titles and unfamiliar songs off and
> focus on a particular listener. JACKS will (and in some
> cases already have) developed an identity crisis. Early
> research already shows it coming apart at the seems. Huge
> cume/low time spent listening. People are curious as to
> what they will play next, but when they hear "what's the
> frequency kenneth by rem into-walking on sunshine by katrina
> and the waves into-maybelene by chuck berry into-turning
> japanese by the vapors into-phsycodelic furs-pretty in pink
> into shakin by eddie money into nothing compares to you by
> sinead o'conner into live and let die by paul mccartney into
> i've been thinking about you-londonbeat into anticipation by
> carly simon into harder to breathe-maroon 5 into dreams by
> van halen into i'm alright by kenny loggings into the
> glamorous life by sheila e, they come to the conclusion that
> this station is not something they can leave on all the time
> and call their favorite radio station. With all those nasty
> titles, the station just becomes plain boring and developes
> it's current low time spent listening problem.
>
> If Infinety had put this format on in New York on 102.7,
> that frequency would have continued in the 1's. They knew
> that. They put it on CBS-FM to get response. I hate to
> tell them, but they will probably not get the response they
> were hoping for. Yes CBS-FM needed to move slightly
> younger, but not like this. Whomever made the decision to
> blow up a VERY successful station and throw 33 million in
> billing out the door better hopes this works.

The reason Infinity put Jack on CBS-FM rather than on WNEW because Jack's music is more in line with with WCBS, thus a 102-7 Jack FM would've undercut CBS-FM.

The segues you pointed out are what you used to hear on CHR, even now. If, for example, Z100 were to play Papa Roach, it's possible the next song you'll hear is "Incomplete" by the Backstreet Boys. Now that's a train wreck.

You say "Early research already shows it coming apart at the seems." Not according to this study from Edison Media Research:

http://www.edisonresearch.com/home/archives/Arbitron061405.pdf (Adobe Acrobat required) <P ID="signature">______________
"...and the countdown continues until the neanderthals that govern college football do something about their pathetic postseason."--Tim Brando, Sporting News Radio</P>
 
JACK WON'T WORK LONG-TERM

great points and all true (and the "coming apart at the seams" line got me, too!)

:eek:}

>
> The reason Infinity put Jack on CBS-FM rather than on WNEW
> because Jack's music is more in line with with WCBS, thus a
> 102-7 Jack FM would've undercut CBS-FM.
>
> The segues you pointed out are what you used to hear on CHR,
> even now. If, for example, Z100 were to play Papa Roach,
> it's possible the next song you'll hear is "Incomplete" by
> the Backstreet Boys. Now that's a train wreck.
>
> You say "Early research already shows it coming apart at the
> seems." Not according to this study from Edison Media
> Research:
>
ht> tp://www.edisonresearch.com/home/archives/Arbitron061405.pdf
> (Adobe Acrobat required)
>
 
give us a break

Please listen up, boys & girls:

LISTENERS DON'T CARE ABOUT CHART POSITION!

a) Most listeners actually have real lives and do not know nor do they
care where a song charted.

b) Programmers are only interested in how much a RADIO LISTENER likes or doesn't
like the songs today- not 10, 20 or 30 years ago.

c) "Chart Position Myopia" is a disease that can be cured by thinking outside
the walls radio has locked it's talent, programmers and managers into for
years. Try it- you'll like it!


>
> # 56 on Billboard in 1980 - eight weeks on the chart.
>
> > I'm sorry, but Rock Lobster
> > by the B-52's was never a charting hit.
 
I think the one major problem for "Jack"-type formats is that most of them do not have live announcers. In time, the popularity of at least some "Jack"-type stations could decline because of it.

I actually think that a personality-driven "Jack"-type format could be a huge winner in it's market.

Had Infinity decided to make WCBS-101.1 New York a personality-driven "Jack" format, and invited the existing airstaff to remain, I think some of them would have stayed with the new format, and it would have been really something to hear!
 
> The other problem with JACK-FM's is they play too many
> "radio pd's favorite songs" that the average listener
> doesn't know or doesn't like. I'm sorry, but Rock Lobster
> by the B-52's was never a charting hit. You only hear that
> song mostly on low rated 80's stations (look it up and match
> the station, then go to allaccess and look at the ratings).
> I thought we all learned early in our careers that if PD's
> want to hear their favorite songs, go home and put in the
> cd. Those songs (unless well tested and/or big hit) have NO
> business on a serious radio station trying to get
> ratings/revenue.

"Rock Lobster" may not have charted, but it's one of those songs people remember and love to hear at parties. I'm sure it tests well in Jack's demographics. If it didn't, it wouldn't be played. This format is not about the radio PD's favorites at all. Virtually every song they play is a huge-testing hit. A common fallacy of this format is that it's random radio... it's not. It's thoroughly researched.

The "80's stations are low rated so 80's music must be bad" logic doesn't follow. 80's stations failed because they were too narrow and overly repetitive, not because the music they played was unpopular. People want to hear 80's music. They just don't want to hear ONLY 80's music.
 
>
> "Rock Lobster" may not have charted, but it's one of those
> songs people remember and love to hear at parties. I'm sure
> it tests well in Jack's demographics. If it didn't, it
> wouldn't be played. This format is not about the radio PD's
> favorites at all. Virtually every song they play is a
> huge-testing hit. A common fallacy of this format is that
> it's random radio... it's not. It's thoroughly researched.
>
> The "80's stations are low rated so 80's music must be bad"
> logic doesn't follow. 80's stations failed because they
> were too narrow and overly repetitive, not because the music
> they played was unpopular. People want to hear 80's music.
> They just don't want to hear ONLY 80's music.
>
Bingo.

Interesting, isn't it, that there were so many complaints about radio being killed by too-narrow playlists (songs burned to a crisp and all of that). Now we're pounding nails in a coffin of something new because--gasp--the playlist is too wide.

Will "Jack" and his cousins save radio? No. Just like soap operas, game shows and comedies migrated to TV leaving radio to find something new, radio (terrestrial anyway) needs to look to somethin more than just music. And I don't mean mixing in classic-sounding big-voiced DJs. Music is moving to personalilzed devices, and Jack or no Jack, the pie will dwindle; it may just dwindle a little more slowly with stations that recognize that people can have wide-ranging tastes, too.

Tightly defined stations can co-exist beside the variety hits of the world for the time being--it's not either or. They're both serving an audience, and until it shrinks to the point of unprofitability, they can continue to co-exist.
 
> I think the one major problem for "Jack"-type formats is
> that most of them do not have live announcers. In time, the
> popularity of at least some "Jack"-type stations could
> decline because of it.
>
> I actually think that a personality-driven "Jack"-type
> format could be a huge winner in it's market.
>
> Had Infinity decided to make WCBS-101.1 New York a
> personality-driven "Jack" format, and invited the existing
> airstaff to remain, I think some of them would have stayed
> with the new format, and it would have been really something
> to hear!
>
That's why I like listening to Nine FM in the Chicago market. They have DJ's, though only during the mornings, middays, & afternoons these days, and jockless evenings, overnights, and weekends, except for the Now & Then program on Sunday nights. Their playlist is much wider than Jack in Chicago. Also Nine FM plays fewer commercials than Jack does. Nine FM airs at the most 9 minutes of commercials an hour spread out in 3 or 4 breaks. One time I listened to Jack, they played 15 commercials in a row in a 12 minute period, and they claim to play fewer commercials than their competitors. Who, CC, ABC, Bonneville, or their direct competitor, Newsweb with Nine FM? One additional thing I like about Nine FM is they play new music from all genres, where Jack in Chicago doesn't touch brand new music. Jack only plays music from the 70's up to 2003, maybe 2004, but not 2005. I expect the summer book for Jack to be about where Nine FM is right now, not show up in the books. The Spring book will still count for Oldies for WJMK.
 
> > I'm sorry, but Rock Lobster
> > by the B-52's was never a charting hit.
>
> # 56 on Billboard in 1980 - eight weeks on the chart.
>

I also like the B-52's song "Channel Z"

Gettin' nothin but static!
 
First, that survey done on Jack formats was a bunch of crap. I could do a survey that says I deserve a million dollars. Infinity paid for that survey (yes, they don't own all the Jack's but they needed to show share holders that they made a good move at JMK and CBS). Hence they pay to have a survey show just that and save face...for now (see below).

Second, stop thinking that Jacks are less repetitive than other radio stations. Look at Mediabase (not the All Access version, the actual password protected site) and you will see that they do repeat songs more than you think (as much as most good oldies stations did). The reason it doesn't seem that way, low TSL. The "study" even said cume was high meaning traffic into and out of the station. No one stays for more than a few songs. The format is an illusion. They aren't playing anything that hasn't already been burned into the ground else where (The Mix, Loop, Nine...whatever, wherever) they just pack more crap inbetween that people don't hear because they either tune it out (they don't like it and shift their focus) or they flip stations.

Finally, satellite radio is not a serious threat as long as good, local radio is on. They are about 2 years from running commercials all over the place. The "average Joe" will look at that and say "why would I pay to hear the same thing I hear on local radio without the local factor?" They may even "own" both, but that is so they have the ability to go between the two when they want.

I do believe Infinity has a long term interest in the Jack name, but as for the format as it is when you "buy" it from Cadillac Jack...let's see how Infinity's money talks to him and see how quick he turns the reigns of the format over to them. They didn't name a head of the format for nothing.


> > I think the one major problem for "Jack"-type formats is
> > that most of them do not have live announcers. In time,
> the
> > popularity of at least some "Jack"-type stations could
> > decline because of it.
> >
> > I actually think that a personality-driven "Jack"-type
> > format could be a huge winner in it's market.
> >
> > Had Infinity decided to make WCBS-101.1 New York a
> > personality-driven "Jack" format, and invited the existing
>
> > airstaff to remain, I think some of them would have stayed
>
> > with the new format, and it would have been really
> something
> > to hear!
> >
> That's why I like listening to Nine FM in the Chicago
> market. They have DJ's, though only during the mornings,
> middays, & afternoons these days, and jockless evenings,
> overnights, and weekends, except for the Now & Then program
> on Sunday nights. Their playlist is much wider than Jack in
> Chicago. Also Nine FM plays fewer commercials than Jack
> does. Nine FM airs at the most 9 minutes of commercials an
> hour spread out in 3 or 4 breaks. One time I listened to
> Jack, they played 15 commercials in a row in a 12 minute
> period, and they claim to play fewer commercials than their
> competitors. Who, CC, ABC, Bonneville, or their direct
> competitor, Newsweb with Nine FM? One additional thing I
> like about Nine FM is they play new music from all genres,
> where Jack in Chicago doesn't touch brand new music. Jack
> only plays music from the 70's up to 2003, maybe 2004, but
> not 2005. I expect the summer book for Jack to be about
> where Nine FM is right now, not show up in the books. The
> Spring book will still count for Oldies for WJMK.
>
 
Seems like you've given this some thought, Chris. How's YOUR format working?
 
"...Nine FM plays fewer commercials than Jack does."

And you think that this by design or the fact that they can't sell a suburban rimshot?
 
Re: give us a break

Yes, but chart position in a FEW cases doesn't translate into.

Another song that wasn't a hit in it's day was Billy Joel's "Piano Man" (chart position 25) yet it's now a mainstay of Gold-leaning AC stations.

Simply put, just because a song was a big hit in it's day doesn't mean it should be played today (Dominque by the Singing Nun for example) and conversely, a song can have charted poorly but have become a big hit as time has gone by. Piano Man is one example. Rock Lobster is another in my opinion.
 
> First, that survey done on Jack formats was a bunch of crap.
> I could do a survey that says I deserve a million dollars.
> Infinity paid for that survey (yes, they don't own all the
> Jack's but they needed to show share holders that they made
> a good move at JMK and CBS). Hence they pay to have a survey
> show just that and save face...for now (see below).
>
> Second, stop thinking that Jacks are less repetitive than
> other radio stations. Look at Mediabase (not the All Access
> version, the actual password protected site) and you will
> see that they do repeat songs more than you think (as much
> as most good oldies stations did). The reason it doesn't
> seem that way, low TSL. The "study" even said cume was high
> meaning traffic into and out of the station. No one stays
> for more than a few songs. The format is an illusion. They
> aren't playing anything that hasn't already been burned into
> the ground else where (The Mix, Loop, Nine...whatever,
> wherever) they just pack more crap inbetween that people
> don't hear because they either tune it out (they don't like
> it and shift their focus) or they flip stations.


Great post! A thought on Satellite radio. I have Sirius and if you are thinking about signing up, don't bother. They repeat songs almost as bad or worse then radio.


>
> Finally, satellite radio is not a serious threat as long as
> good, local radio is on. They are about 2 years from running
> commercials all over the place. The "average Joe" will look
> at that and say "why would I pay to hear the same thing I
> hear on local radio without the local factor?" They may even
> "own" both, but that is so they have the ability to go
> between the two when they want.
>
> I do believe Infinity has a long term interest in the Jack
> name, but as for the format as it is when you "buy" it from
> Cadillac Jack...let's see how Infinity's money talks to him
> and see how quick he turns the reigns of the format over to
> them. They didn't name a head of the format for nothing.
>
>
> > > I think the one major problem for "Jack"-type formats is
>
> > > that most of them do not have live announcers. In time,
> > the
> > > popularity of at least some "Jack"-type stations could
> > > decline because of it.
> > >
> > > I actually think that a personality-driven "Jack"-type
> > > format could be a huge winner in it's market.
> > >
> > > Had Infinity decided to make WCBS-101.1 New York a
> > > personality-driven "Jack" format, and invited the
> existing
> >
> > > airstaff to remain, I think some of them would have
> stayed
> >
> > > with the new format, and it would have been really
> > something
> > > to hear!
> > >
> > That's why I like listening to Nine FM in the Chicago
> > market. They have DJ's, though only during the mornings,
> > middays, & afternoons these days, and jockless evenings,
> > overnights, and weekends, except for the Now & Then
> program
> > on Sunday nights. Their playlist is much wider than Jack
> in
> > Chicago. Also Nine FM plays fewer commercials than Jack
> > does. Nine FM airs at the most 9 minutes of commercials
> an
> > hour spread out in 3 or 4 breaks. One time I listened to
> > Jack, they played 15 commercials in a row in a 12 minute
> > period, and they claim to play fewer commercials than
> their
> > competitors. Who, CC, ABC, Bonneville, or their direct
> > competitor, Newsweb with Nine FM? One additional thing I
> > like about Nine FM is they play new music from all genres,
>
> > where Jack in Chicago doesn't touch brand new music. Jack
>
> > only plays music from the 70's up to 2003, maybe 2004, but
>
> > not 2005. I expect the summer book for Jack to be about
> > where Nine FM is right now, not show up in the books. The
>
> > Spring book will still count for Oldies for WJMK.
> >
>
 
chart myths

(I think I've been saying that all along-- it's mostly irrellevant).

>
> Simply put, just because a song was a big hit in it's day
> doesn't mean it should be played today (Dominque by the
> Singing Nun for example) and conversely, a song can have
> charted poorly but have become a big hit as time has gone
> by. Piano Man is one example. Rock Lobster is another in my
> opinion.
>
 
another hothead spewing zero real facts

Please read responses to each of our individual rants--

> First, that survey done on Jack formats was a bunch of crap.
> I could do a survey that says I deserve a million dollars.
> Infinity paid for that survey.

***Do your homework- there was one single Infinity "Jack" station in the study.
And you could not do such a survey to say you deserve whatever- it's obvious
you are emotionally biased against the format. Edison and Arbitron conducted
the survey.
>
> Second, stop thinking that Jacks are less repetitive than
> other radio stations. Look at Mediabase (not the All Access
> version, the actual password protected site) and you will
> see that they do repeat songs more than you think (as much
> as most good oldies stations did). The format is an illusion. They
> aren't playing anything that hasn't already been burned into
> the ground else where (The Mix, Loop, Nine...whatever,
> wherever) they just pack more crap in between that people
> don't hear because they either tune it out (they don't like
> it and shift their focus) or they flip stations.

***So, JACK formated stations are not allowed to repeat songs their listners
really like to hear, because...why? If they play a song at 3am they're not
allowed to repeat it at 5pm the next day? KEARTH in LA repeats some songs as
often as 4 times per day and the JACK stations may play a handful 2 times a
day. Why not? There has never been any claim that says JACK stations don't
repeat their songs, so what IS your point?

>
> I do believe Infinity has a long term interest in the Jack
> name, but as for the format as it is when you "buy" it from
> Cadillac Jack...let's see how Infinity's money talks to him
> and see how quick he turns the reigns of the format over to
> them. They didn't name a head of the format for nothing.

***What IS your problem with Infinity? Sounds to me like you couldn't cut it
with them and are now on the Sour Grapes Express going after them. Chill.

You want to hate the Jack approach, fine. But please do not present information as factual when it's just your personal vendetta against a new format. If the format tanks after a couple of years, come back and crow all you like- at that point, you'll have deserved it.
 
Re: another hothead spewing zero real facts

> Please read responses to each of our individual rants--
>
> > First, that survey done on Jack formats was a bunch of
> crap.
> > I could do a survey that says I deserve a million dollars.
>
> > Infinity paid for that survey.
>
> ***Do your homework- there was one single Infinity "Jack"
> station in the study.
> And you could not do such a survey to say you deserve
> whatever- it's obvious
> you are emotionally biased against the format. Edison
> and Arbitron conducted
> the survey.
> >
> > Second, stop thinking that Jacks are less repetitive than
> > other radio stations. Look at Mediabase (not the All
> Access
> > version, the actual password protected site) and you will
> > see that they do repeat songs more than you think (as much
>
> > as most good oldies stations did). The format is an
> illusion. They
> > aren't playing anything that hasn't already been burned
> into
> > the ground else where (The Mix, Loop, Nine...whatever,
> > wherever) they just pack more crap in between that people
> > don't hear because they either tune it out (they don't
> like
> > it and shift their focus) or they flip stations.
>
> ***So, JACK formated stations are not allowed to repeat
> songs their listners
> really like to hear, because...why? If they play a song
> at 3am they're not
> allowed to repeat it at 5pm the next day? KEARTH in LA
> repeats some songs as
> often as 4 times per day and the JACK stations may play a
> handful 2 times a
> day. Why not? There has never been any claim that says
> JACK stations don't
> repeat their songs, so what IS your point?
>
> >
> > I do believe Infinity has a long term interest in the Jack
>
> > name, but as for the format as it is when you "buy" it
> from
> > Cadillac Jack...let's see how Infinity's money talks to
> him
> > and see how quick he turns the reigns of the format over
> to
> > them. They didn't name a head of the format for nothing.
>
> ***What IS your problem with Infinity? Sounds to me like
> you couldn't cut it
> with them and are now on the Sour Grapes Express going
> after them. Chill.

Actually I used to work for Infinity in one of their major markets and have no problem with them. They are a very good company to work for with impressive visions for the future. I even applaud them for daring to be different with JACK-FM's. I just know this will not work long term and I hate for them to keep blowing up good stations that are making them money to put a "fly by night flavor of the month" format on that will be a pain in their rear after a few quick fix books. This is not a personal vendetta as you assume. (actually I could care less since we don't have a JACK in our market). I just wanted to see if anyone agrees that this format is not the answer only radio people feel it is.


>
> You want to hate the Jack approach, fine. But please do not
> present information as factual when it's just your personal
> vendetta against a new format. If the format tanks after a
> couple of years, come back and crow all you like- at that
> point, you'll have deserved it.
>
 
zero real facts

(NOTE: my past reply was to nokidding, not to chrisr).

chrisr- neither you or I "know this will not work long-term". None of us in this business has all the answers and this whole JACK thing is way too new and it's way too early to have any idea whether it'll work or not. I don't think ANYBODY believes Jack-type radio is THE answer to what ills our industry these days but-- it's also not doomed to fail everywhere.

I understand many "wanting" it to fail, I really do. But go back and re-read the Email and consider again if it isn't "personal" to you.


> I just know this will not work long term and I
> hate for them to keep blowing up good stations that are
> making them money to put a "fly by night flavor of the
> month" format on that will be a pain in their rear after a
> few quick fix books. This is not a personal vendetta as you
> assume. (actually I could care less since we don't have a
> JACK in our market). I just wanted to see if anyone agrees
> that this format is not the answer only radio people feel it
> is.
>
>
> >
> > You want to hate the Jack approach, fine. But please do
> not
> > present information as factual when it's just your
> personal
> > vendetta against a new format. If the format tanks after
> a
> > couple of years, come back and crow all you like- at that
> > point, you'll have deserved it.
> >
>
 
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