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The Sangean radios will be sold through Universal radio.

Then there's the Tivoli radio and the Radio Shack coming on then market. I can see him a few years from now. He'll have started his own industry charting the progress of every radio manufacturer. "Wait, I don't care that you can buy a IBOC radio all over the country in all the chain stores, it's still gonna fail". ;)
 
I.B. Iquity said:
Then there's the Tivoli radio and the Radio Shack coming on then market. I can see him a few years from now. He'll have started his own industry charting the progress of every radio manufacturer. "Wait, I don't care that you can buy a IBOC radio all over the country in all the chain stores, it's still gonna fail". ;)
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He was probably one of those guys in the early 90's running around saying that the internet was doomed to fail...

"Do the internet cartels really think that the average consumer will stop writing letters??!!"

:D
 
The Sangean will have about, as much interest as, the Receptor HD.

From rec.shortwave.radio, "Bitten again by IBOC":

To quote:

I recorded Limbaugh yesterday, thinking to play it back later.

I forgot WTVN 610 Columbus OH was running IBOC, and so there's a
huge hiss and rumble on the entire recording, from interaction
with the receiver's sync detection (Sony 2010).

You not only get the favored rain-barrel acoustics, but there's
a great clatter in the background throughout.

This is the _designed_ result, not some interference with some other
noise source.

--
Ron Hardin
[email protected]

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You can't use a sync detector on an IBOC AM station unless you get
both sidebands. The digital carriers are 180 degrees out of phase so
that they cancel each other out in a regular receiver.

[email protected]
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
The Sangean will have about, as much interest as, the Receptor HD.

From rec.shortwave.radio, "Bitten again by IBOC":

To quote:

I recorded Limbaugh yesterday, thinking to play it back later.

I forgot WTVN 610 Columbus OH was running IBOC, and so there's a
huge hiss and rumble on the entire recording, from interaction
with the receiver's sync detection (Sony 2010).

You not only get the favored rain-barrel acoustics, but there's
a great clatter in the background throughout.

This is the _designed_ result, not some interference with some other
noise source.

--
Ron Hardin
[email protected]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You can't use a sync detector on an IBOC AM station unless you get
both sidebands. The digital carriers are 180 degrees out of phase so
that they cancel each other out in a regular receiver.
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Too bad you have no idea what any of that means!
:D
 
I can't imagine, what you are getting so excitied about, especially after having made a fool of yourself today, and after your eulogy, a while back, pleading for support for IBOC and swearing that you would never return to this board (then you came back the next day, as we all knew you would). You have spent $600 on two Receptor HD radios, and had to hide your 7-foot dipole antennas, when Amazon has them on sale for $240. You seem to believe, that you are winning the IBOC battle here, but the sales rankings on Amazon for all the HD radios, clearly indicates that there is no consumer interest in HD Radio. People on rec.radio.shortwave are educated and have shunned IBOC, for what it is - a flawed and fraudulent, "technology", if one can even call it that. The BIG HD Radio rollout has been a complete flop, and only BMW is putting it in it's expensive 7-series, only because it is included with its GPS system. Radio Shack is the only retailer that has expressed interest in HD Radio and they are having serious financial problems (closed hundreds of stores and just laid off 500 employees). Obviously, you have a direct interest in the success of IBOC, since you install IBOC systems; I only want it to fail, because it is corrupting the AM/FM bands. And again, here is the 7-foot dipole antenna (obvioulsy, since I could only receive two FM stations in Best Buy, it needs a dipole antenna inside of structures).

"Recepter Gets Another Antenna"

http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/2006.05.10-02_rw_hd_recepter_antenna_3.shtml

From CCrane's Receptor HD:

"Note: The HD radio signal is only available within approximately 100 miles of HD broadcasts, but it will still pick up standard (analog) AM/FM signals as normal when the HD signal is out of range. You can be assured Crane is working on developing an antenna to increase this range."
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
I can't imagine, what you are getting so excitied about, especially after having made a fool of yourself today, and after your eulogy, a while back, pleading for support for IBOC and swearing that you would never return to this board (then you came back the next day, as we all knew you would). You have spent $600 on two Receptor HD radios, and had to hide your 7-foot dipole antennas, when Amazon has them on sale for $240. You seem to believe, that you are winning the IBOC battle here, but the sales rankings on Amazon for all the HD radios, clearly indicates that there is no consumer interest in HD Radio. People on rec.radio.shortwave are educated and have shunned IBOC, for what it is - a flawed and fraudulent, "technology", if one can even call it that. The BIG HD Radio rollout has been a complete flop, and only BMW is putting it in it's expensive 7-series, only because it is included with its GPS system. Radio Shack is the only retailer that has expressed interest in HD Radio and they are having serious financial problems (closed hundreds of stores and just laid off 500 employees). Obviously, you have a direct interest in the success of IBOC, since you install IBOC systems; I only want it to fail, because it is corrupting the AM/FM bands. And again, here is the 7-foot dipole antenna (obvioulsy, since I could only receive two FM stations in Best Buy, it needs a dipole antenna inside of structures).
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I have a more recently made Receoptor that is vastly better than the first ones we have. It picks up HD out beyond the 64 dbu of FMs that have it, and is good witin the useful analog coverage area of AMs, too... in several cases, beyond. And all I am using is the little loop of wire AM antenna and a 30 inch piece of wire for FM.

People in the shortwave group are not necessarily more technically savvy. What they are is against anything that interferes with the DX of analog signals, so they protect a hobby, not a technology issue.

9 manufacturers will offer HD next year in 37 models. Every chain retailer is going to have the next generation of HD radios, and Peter Ferrara of the HD Coalition has shown that there will be a large number of new recevers in time for the 2007 Comdex, and in the channels by late Spring!

This is moving infinitely faster than FM stereo did.

"Note: The HD radio signal is only available within approximately 100 miles of HD broadcasts, but it will still pick up standard (analog) AM/FM signals as normal when the HD signal is out of range. You can be assured Crane is working on developing an antenna to increase this range."
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Nearly all FM listening is done inside the 64 dbu contour, so it does not matter what happens beyond that... nobody listens. Nearly no AM listening is done outside areas in which the HD signal can also be heard.
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
I can't imagine, what you are getting so excitied about, especially after having made a fool of yourself today, and after your eulogy, a while back, pleading for support for IBOC and swearing that you would never return to this board (then you came back the next day, as we all knew you would). You have spent $600 on two Receptor HD radios, and had to hide your 7-foot dipole antennas, when Amazon has them on sale for $240. You seem to believe, that you are winning the IBOC battle here, but the sales rankings on Amazon for all the HD radios, clearly indicates that there is no consumer interest in HD Radio. People on rec.radio.shortwave are educated and have shunned IBOC, for what it is - a flawed and fraudulent, "technology", if one can even call it that. The BIG HD Radio rollout has been a complete flop, and only BMW is putting it in it's expensive 7-series, only because it is included with its GPS system. Radio Shack is the only retailer that has expressed interest in HD Radio and they are having serious financial problems (closed hundreds of stores and just laid off 500 employees). Obviously, you have a direct interest in the success of IBOC, since you install IBOC systems; I only want it to fail, because it is corrupting the AM/FM bands. And again, here is the 7-foot dipole antenna (obvioulsy, since I could only receive two FM stations in Best Buy, it needs a dipole antenna inside of structures).

"Recepter Gets Another Antenna"

http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/2006.05.10-02_rw_hd_recepter_antenna_3.shtml

From CCrane's Receptor HD:

"Note: The HD radio signal is only available within approximately 100 miles of HD broadcasts, but it will still pick up standard (analog) AM/FM signals as normal when the HD signal is out of range. You can be assured Crane is working on developing an antenna to increase this range."
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What do you do when you've lost a debate? Repeat your last point over and over and over...

Poor guy. I really feel for you! :D
 
From Brenda Anne, rec.radio.shortwave:

"I see the Sangean doesn't even bother with AM-IBOC.."

"First problem is that it interferes with analog signals on nearby channels. Second is that instead of a bit of phase shift, deep fades or selective fading, it is either there or its not. Most program listeners would rather hear the entire program rather than hear parts of it well."
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
From Brenda Anne, rec.radio.shortwave:

"I see the Sangean doesn't even bother with AM-IBOC.."

"First problem is that it interferes with analog signals on nearby channels. Second is that instead of a bit of phase shift, deep fades or selective fading, it is either there or its not. Most program listeners would rather hear the entire program rather than hear parts of it well."
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The specs are preliminary. It could very well have AM IBOC. And Brenda-Ann is incorrect - if HD is not there, analog is. So you miss nothing, the audio just goes from being digital to analog. Just another half-truth from the anti-IBOC side.
 
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