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The Sound

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TheGenius

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Galaxy is doing a great job with the sound of their stations,no doubt about it.
Most of the C.C. stations sound like absolute crap, no doubt about that either.

Having said all that, the average listener doesn't care at all about the sound of a station,not "sound" the way the engineers are talking about it. If they did Galaxy's stations would be going up,instead of sinking like a rock.

Speaking of sinking like a rock,anybody seen Reith's trend???
TANKED!!! *LOL*

With WFBL making some big moves coming up,like another local show,this one to go against Reith,and a big move at night(stay tuned), it won;t be long now!!!WSYR and Reith are both in huge trouble as it is,rumor has it management isn't at all pleased with Reith anyway,and is just looking for an excuse to blow him out!
 
> Speaking of sinking like a rock,anybody seen Reith's
> trend???

Well, all I know is that ever since he's come back from vacation he has been *extremely* woundup and confrontational with the callers. I listened for a little while today and I've never ever heard him be so obnoxious! Sure sounds like something is definitely going on with him.

> With WFBL making some big moves coming up, like another local
> show, this one to go against Reith,and a big move at
> night(stay tuned)

Maybe they should try fixing their signal first? I used to be able to pick them up clearly in Manlius and now I can hardly pick them up at all. Trying to listen at night is pretty much impossible now. I don't know what they did with their signal, but something has changed.
 
> Galaxy is doing a great job with the sound of their
> stations,no doubt about it.
> Most of the C.C. stations sound like absolute crap, no doubt
> about that either.
>
> Having said all that, the average listener doesn't care at
> all about the sound of a station,not "sound" the way the
> engineers are talking about it. If they did Galaxy's
> stations would be going up,instead of sinking like a rock.
>
> Speaking of sinking like a rock,anybody seen Reith's
> trend???
> TANKED!!! *LOL*
>
> With WFBL making some big moves coming up,like another local
> show,this one to go against Reith,and a big move at
> night(stay tuned), it won;t be long now!!!WSYR and Reith are
> both in huge trouble as it is,rumor has it management isn't
> at all pleased with Reith anyway,and is just looking for an
> excuse to blow him out!
>

Like most of us on this board I'm a potential P1. And like some of us here I have a really cool system in my car. I can tell when a great piece of audio grabs my gonads. Sound means alot to some of the more passionate audiophiles and the Galaxy stations are hot, yet sweet (for the most part anyway).
The only detriment is that they fade at around 15 miles. Messes with the sound.
 
Re: My 2 sense

Reith's demise would be from being too tightly wound up in the City issues. He sounds like he is living in his own bubble. A ninny like that could use a redneck like me sitting there telling him hes wrong. Even if he isnt, it could make for some good radio.
Galaxy's TK-99 is taking advantage and the processing sounds good. Lets see if the managment keeps listening to Dave and Dave so they dont mess up as usual. The sound is a lot more important than the other stations think too. Youre a radio station and the processing should be embarassing to you. <P ID="signature">______________
Let's all get together and have a hoe-down</P>
 
Sound Judgement

> Galaxy is doing a great job with the sound of their
> stations,no doubt about it.
> Most of the C.C. stations sound like absolute crap, no doubt
> about that either.
>
> Having said all that, the average listener doesn't care at
> all about the sound of a station,not "sound" the way the
> engineers are talking about it. If they did Galaxy's
> stations would be going up,instead of sinking like a rock.

I find it interesting that a passer-by calls out the locals for having awful audio, and the response is "who cares"? YOU should care. The audio is so poor that it affects TSL, and gives listeners another reason to push the button. It is actually fatiguing.

People, you're fighting over tenths. Bad audio is one element that makes a difference. There are a LOT of listeners out there that have spent serious money on sound equipment, and can hear the difference. Even the ones who aren't consciously aware of it are subconsciously affected and reach for the button more often because of it.

FIX THE PROBLEM. What advantage do you get from broadcasting distortion? There's only an upside to FIXING THE PROBLEM.
 
Re: Good Lord

> Reith's demise would be from being too tightly wound up in
> the City issues. He sounds like he is living in his own
> bubble. A ninny like that could use a redneck like me
> sitting there telling him hes wrong. Even if he isnt, it
> could make for some good radio.
* You wouldnt recognize good radio if it f'd your wife right in front of you!

> Galaxy's TK-99 is taking advantage and the processing sounds
> good. Lets see if the managment keeps listening to Dave and
> Dave so they dont mess up as usual.
* I assume you mean Coombs and Frisina, Its difficult trying to decipher your code, although you've been more lucid these days.

The sound is a lot more important than the other stations think too. Youre a radio station and the processing should be embarassing to you.
*Processing ? Man, you're a true professional. Dont know why you havent been scooped up yet ?
>
 
Have some coffee

> * You wouldnt recognize good radio

Thats not what my numbers said


> * I assume you mean Coombs and Frisina, Its difficult trying
> to decipher your code, although you've been more lucid these
> days.

It would be easier if you read the entire threads instead of snipping at me. Coombs is funny, but Dave the engineer and Dave the Mid-day talent are the people were talking about here.


> *Processing ? Man, you're a true professional. Dont know
> why you havent been scooped up yet ?

LOL- out of the cat box? at least you have some humor. Let me stress SOME, that joke is as old as Records and Processing but a lot of people like things that way. All i know is my digital sounds pretty good for just me. Tons of adjustments, but it should.

> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Let's all get together and have a hoe-down</P>
 
Re: Sound Judgement

Thats right, and these hi-tech geeks are the ones that bark about "Y-94" sounds like crap" until it is fixed. Is it a teen programmer getting the key to the processing rack?<P ID="signature">______________
Let's all get together and have a hoe-down</P>
 
Re: Different Opinion For Different Ears

I must respectfully disagree with some other posts on their assesments of sound quality with some of the area radio stations. Even though I am good friends with Ed at Galaxy, I feel his Syracuse stations sound terrible, at least for my ears and his Utica stations are worse. to me, everyone has different tastes for their ears and to me, his stations and some others sound like their set for the old Beautiful Music format. No punch, if you like that, no expansion, if you like that, and hardly any bass or high end. TK has improved a bit in Syracuse but not in Utica. I do not feel it is engineering fault, but a lack of committment with a budget for sound quality. Other Syracuse stations don't sound any better to me. Y-94 which I thought sounded sensational back int he Dr. Phil days has never sounded worse.

The sound in Utica isn't much better except that engineering in Utica at Clear Channel takes it's audio processing seriously and Joe Petro is one of the best. Clear Channel Utica sounds better than any other Utica or Syracuse radio station and will even sound better as they are making even more improvements very, very soon, and have even asked me to help in the audio setting process for which I am honored. And finally, when many say the processing has nothing to do with people listening longer or shorter, or feeling good, again, I think that is debatable. From my studies and readings, psycologically and in you sub-con., it can and does in many instances make a difference.

Thank-you again for allowing me to air my opinion.

Regards,

Dave
 
Re: Different Opinion For Different Ears

> No punch, if you like that, no expansion, if you
> like that, and hardly any bass or high end.

> Clear Channel takes it's audio processing seriously and
> Joe Petro is one of the best. Clear Channel Utica sounds
> better than any other Utica or Syracuse radio
> station

Dave,

As I stated in some posts below, it's all in the ears of the beholder. However, in our business, we have to adjust for a wide variety of beholders!

Let me also say, before someone gets out the flame thrower and napalm, I am the first to admit when a station has good audio - competitor or not.

I pass through Utica often, and do a lot of button pushing. If you and Joe can't hear the ragged (read - CLIPPED OFF) bass on CC Utica (Kiss!) and CC Syracuse (Hot and Power), and you cannot hear that someone stuffed a pillow into the processing on B104, then unfortunately, you & Joe are examples of people with no business in the processing I mentioned in a previous post.

This issue seems fairly common.

Almost every CHR programmer I've ever worked with (except Ed Lacomb) has come to me semmingly weekly to ask for more bass. Then the next week it's more high end (to overcome the bass). Then it's more bass again - and round and round we go. Pretty soon, the bass and the highs are clipped so bad, all you have is "the whopee cushion sound" for bass, and crispy / gritty high end - and no loudness.

You can't rattle the trunk lid with your factory Delco 5" speakers, but people keep tryin. Keep turnin up that "Phat Bass" enhancer and turn the bass clipper to about 9. Can you hear me now????

Expansion? Punch? I get the feeling you don't really know what these are.

Punch is tighness of the bass. If you can feel a gust of air blow out of the speaker when a tight kick drum hits, that's punch. If you hear a clipped splat and no air - that's not punch. Punch is not loudness or dial presence.

Expansion is making the quieter parts of the music quieter - the opposite of compression and limiting. I can tell you that there's no expansion going on on any of the CC stations around here!

One final freebie -

Go in the air studio. Compare program to Air. Air should sound louder (more dense) than program, more consistent cut-to-cut, with a tinge more apparent clarity. It should NOT be a totally different song EQ-wise. People will just use their tone controls / EQ to counter your persnoal tatse adjustmens to their liking. The moment you start using your processing to totally remaster the music, you've started the newbie downward sprial into chasin-your-tailsville.

Now I better shut up or I'll have to send a bill to Delaney and Delmonico for consulting fees.

Tim WhatsHisName
 
Re: Different Opinion For Different Ears

> > No punch, if you like that, no expansion, if you
> > like that, and hardly any bass or high end.
>
> > Clear Channel takes it's audio processing seriously and
> > Joe Petro is one of the best. Clear Channel Utica sounds
>
> > better than any other Utica or Syracuse radio
> > station
>
> Dave,
>
> As I stated in some posts below, it's all in the ears of the
> beholder. However, in our business, we have to adjust for a
> wide variety of beholders!
>
> Let me also say, before someone gets out the flame thrower
> and napalm, I am the first to admit when a station has good
> audio - competitor or not.
>
> I pass through Utica often, and do a lot of button pushing.
> If you and Joe can't hear the ragged (read - CLIPPED OFF)
> bass on CC Utica (Kiss!) and CC Syracuse (Hot and Power),
> and you cannot hear that someone stuffed a pillow into the
> processing on B104, then unfortunately, you & Joe are
> examples of people with no business in the processing I
> mentioned in a previous post.
>
> This issue seems fairly common.
>
> Almost every CHR programmer I've ever worked with (except Ed
> Lacomb) has come to me semmingly weekly to ask for more
> bass. Then the next week it's more high end (to overcome
> the bass). Then it's more bass again - and round and round
> we go. Pretty soon, the bass and the highs are clipped so
> bad, all you have is "the whopee cushion sound" for bass,
> and crispy / gritty high end - and no loudness.
>
> You can't rattle the trunk lid with your factory Delco 5"
> speakers, but people keep tryin. Keep turnin up that "Phat
> Bass" enhancer and turn the bass clipper to about 9. Can
> you hear me now????
>
> Expansion? Punch? I get the feeling you don't really know
> what these are.
>
> Punch is tighness of the bass. If you can feel a gust of
> air blow out of the speaker when a tight kick drum hits,
> that's punch. If you hear a clipped splat and no air -
> that's not punch. Punch is not loudness or dial presence.
>
> Expansion is making the quieter parts of the music quieter -
> the opposite of compression and limiting. I can tell you
> that there's no expansion going on on any of the CC stations
> around here!
>
> One final freebie -
>
> Go in the air studio. Compare program to Air. Air should
> sound louder (more dense) than program, more consistent
> cut-to-cut, with a tinge more apparent clarity. It should
> NOT be a totally different song EQ-wise. People will just
> use their tone controls / EQ to counter your persnoal tatse
> adjustmens to their liking. The moment you start using your
> processing to totally remaster the music, you've started the
> newbie downward sprial into chasin-your-tailsville.
>
> Now I better shut up or I'll have to send a bill to Delaney
> and Delmonico for consulting fees.
>
> Tim WhatsHisName


I wouldn't worry about the consulting fee,no one at C.C. listens to ANYTHING any Galaxy employee has to say,I mean jaysus,why would they???*LOL*

"Hey,here's a way to be an extremely mediocre company at best!!! Hire all of the market dominators cast offs(are you guys in double figures yet?)
Hire a "CHEIF" engineer who has plenty of time to post long ranbling geeky b.s on a message board...*LOL*
Meanwhile the market dominator continues to dominate,the Galaxy stations continue to do...well..just look at the ratings and PROFIT margins...and so it goes.
*LOL*
but hey,your stations sure do sound good...too bad no one listens...*LMAO*
>
 
Re: Different Opinion For Different Ears

> Hire a "CHEIF" engineer who has plenty of time to post long
> ranbling geeky b.s on a message board...*LOL*

Yup - I have plenty of time because its Saturday morning, and I've got my coffee and some time to surf. I'll check with the attorneys to see if CC has made free time illegal yet....

BTW - it's funny - you replied to my post about a minute after it was posted. Couldn't wait for me to finish so you could unleash one of your mindless, meaningless psychtic rants? Seems CC is in the habit of hiring people who have plenty of time to post blind, repetitive, "my Dad is bigger than your Dad" dribble on a message board.

I know of some 5 year olds like you. Maybe I can set up a play date so you have somthing to do besides bug whatever adults are left on this board.

Have fun today - don't let you mommy find out you got on line again!

I'm out.

Tim WhatsHisName
 
Re: Lousy Opinion For Different Ears

Hire all of the market dominators cast offs(are you
> guys in double figures yet?)

You're picking on something that Mimi and Ed do that is great. Pick up a known, experienced broadcaster. I hope youre not running a station mister, if so, id fire you for that opinion.


> but hey,your stations sure do sound good...too bad no one
> listens...*LMAO*
Bets are on TK suprising you with a so called cast-off.

Now about the processing. Whatshisname wins here because he seems to at least have a grip on the fact that you have to appeal to the Mono radio blowing from across the garage. Ten people have killer radio's, 90 dont pay that much attention. A slight differance between board and air is a start (or end) to the proper sound. <P ID="signature">______________
Let's all get together and have a hoe-down</P>
 
Re: Different Opinion For Different Ears

an idiot always an idiot. where's all that commission money going anyway? To pay for the managers so they can keep their jobs? Isn't it going to promotions? doubt it. Just so the books look like syracuse is not drowning. fire sale for :30 second spots in the middle of summer...that's client focused. selling out your commercials and not making budgets. Just say charge it to CC instead of buying things with your own money. wink wink. we are not stupid. Still trading for your own good son?
 
Re: Reply To Tim

> Hi Tim...Thanks for the post reply. I just wanted people
> to know that I do not work for any radio outlet in Utica or
> Syracuse. I am an owner of an Ad Agency and obviously have
> to pay some attention to sound quality, music selectiona nd
> general programming on the various stations so we can make
> right choices for our client base.
>
> I've been physically out of the radio station operations
> since 1991, but try to keep up on things that are going on,
> along with reading up on the latest information that has to
> do with processing. I am not, and do not claim to be a
> genius on the subject, but over the years while in radio and
> even now from a production standpoint when producing ads for
> our clients seem to have a decent keen ear for decnet sound,
> even though what I like, someone else might not.
>
> I do agree with you that KISS-Fm in Utica is all messed up
> and so is WOUR is way over clipped and so is THE RIVER at
> 93.5 as they try and make up for such a terrible signal in
> Utica and Rome. Not following what the Clear channel higher
> ups do or don't do, all i was doing was expressing that Joe
> Petro at Clear channel Utica to me anyway, is a sharp
> engineer if his hands weren't tied down and it now appears
> that at least in Utica, they are going to make some sound
> improvements to their audio.
>
> I am not an engineer by any stretch of the immagination, so
> you obviously know more about this than I do, but, I was
> listening to every station in Utica last night, and
> personally I cannot listen to the flat, weak sound of Rock
> 107 or Oldies 96.1. Again, just my opinion.
>
> Thanks again for the feedback.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
>
 
Re: Have some coffee

> > * You wouldnt recognize good radio
>
> Thats not what my numbers said


Numbers ? YOU got numbers ????

right !!!
Keep foo foo foolin yourself !!!!
 
Re: Have some poo-tie??!!

Shows what you know. But if i pull them out, would it really matter if i show you here? ....NOT....lol<P ID="signature">______________
Let's all get together and have a hoe-down</P>
 
Show and tell

> Shows what you know. But if i pull them out, would it really
> matter if i show you here? ....NOT....lol

You've claimed to have "numbers" several times now. Time for you to put up or shut up. Let's see your numbers, Bonzo.

I don't think you've got any to show. I think you're a never-was wannabe who is, as they say in Texas, "All hat and no cattle".
 
Re: Show and tell

I would have to be in a building that subscribes to dig them up. Consistant 15-21 share through about 13 years in the 80's-90's. Im also only 40 years old with a big double chin which qualifies my face for radio.<P ID="signature">______________
Let's all get together and have a hoe-down</P>
 
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