THE ULTIMATE VENT ABOUT PARTY FM

[JohnParker]

Ok so the only new thing in this thread as opposed to the other Party threads is the talk about the station drop outs. Everything else here has been rehashed to death.

Dance purists don't like Party because it's not the Pulse. Again, they never indicated that they were going to be the Pulse. Is that so hard to understand. They are doing their thing the way the want to. If you're not a fan of it, like the other poster said, why listen. Complaining on a message board won't help change what is.

They are mostly Rap/Hip-Hop Again, not true. If you total up their mix you'd realize that it's about 60-40 dance on top. Of course that includes remixes but every dance station plays those including Pulse.

They are a Long Island Station Why because that's where they broadcast from? Was Z100 and KTU a Jersey station during their peak? No. It's not where you're from it's where you're at.

Their DJ's Are All Small Market That maybe your opinion but not mine. Vic is a New York fixture and the others all sound good enough to make it here.

Now getting back to the only issue not addressed, I'm guessing that the internet feed to the 87.7 signal failed. I don't have any inside info on that but it's the only thing that would make sense. Why wasn't it fixed earlier, I don't know but if the line is down there isn't much you can do about it except find another system that insures it doesn't happen again.

Also, Hip Hop and Dance grew up together in the clubs of NYC so they have always co-exisited with the exception as someone has said of the Gangsta Era.

And I dj'd to packed clubs (including the last 5 year residency before I retired) doing sets of dance/hip-hop/dancehall for more years than I care to admit in NYC so while it may not be your experience that it works, it does and always will.

Just my $.02

jp

 

[lalumia]

Re: EVEN I MUST ADMIT...

really?
on what planet did that occur?

..oh wait....'hot dance chart' ...yawn...nevermind...

at this moment in time, isn't 'hot' and 'dance' next to each other in the same sentence a contradiction in terms as my english teacher used to say?

 

[MoldaMania182]

Re: EVEN I MUST ADMIT...

really?
on what planet did that occur?

..oh wait....'hot dance chart' ...yawn...nevermind...

at this moment in time, isn't 'hot' and 'dance' next to each other in the same sentence a contradiction in terms as my english teacher used to say?

Why don't you take your hatorade somewhere else? You called out Ercola and yes, that song was a huge dance track and a staple of Pulse. Would you like more numbers? They are around. No need to act like a sore loser for being wrong.

 

[CHRles]

Re: If you took the helm at Party FM, what would you do?

Always playing remixes of pop songs? Thats the worst thing you can do. A lot of pop songs do not need a remix.

Ditto on that. There's nothing more annoying to me than hearing a station classify itself as Dance only to have 50 percent of its playlist comprised of remixes to non-Dance hits. If you're going to play some remixes in rotation that's all good and fine, but make sure to space them out properly, and see to it that they don't all have the same exact "circuit" sound. Some should be remixes of popular Dance records, as well as a few of the big Pop hits.
When you listen to a Rock station do you hear guitar edits/remixes of Beyonce or Britney? When you listen to Hip Hop stations do they include a lot of remixes with Rap portions to Taylor Swift or Kings of Leon?
I understand that Dance producers do a great job of remixing records, but a good commercial Dance station shouldn't have remixes to Pop hits as its core sound. Instead, play some pure Pop, some good uptempo Hip Hop and R&B that are big in the mainstream clubs, but most of all play the following:
1) Dance/Pop ala Lady Gaga
2) Well produced Dance records with strong vocals.
3) Big underground Club anthems with crossover potential or those garnering a big buzz,
4) The occasional older record from the past few years. Dance fans mainly seek out current music, and a lot of disposable music at that. Playing records from the 80s or early 90s on a Dance station in 2010 does not strike me as a good idea, even though I personally love them. Save those records for the Rhythmic AC stations.

If you've got enough material from these 4 items, or a big enough audience that views Dance as mainstream, then you may not even need to play much (or any) pure Pop or Hip Hop/R&B titles. Then again, since this is the US the opposite might be true and you may only be able to get away with 50 percent of your playlist being comprised of the 4 items mentioned.

For pure Dance radio we all tune into the internet, and guess what? We usually tune into several pure Dance stations on there cuz we probably get tired of listening to the same station or the same sub genre of Dance music all day/week long.

 

[lalumia]

Re: EVEN I MUST ADMIT...

no haterade involved;
a huge dance track is one that crosses over to the mainstream and that everyone comes to know;
no offense to ercola, but that's a very poor example of huge, except in the ghetto fantasy land of the 'hot dance chart';
let's get real, and this is a NY radio board, not a "Divas Of Dance' board for the Kool Aid drinkers;
there's already a board for that..

 

[nd2023]

Re: EVEN I MUST ADMIT...

No, these folks like me remember what Pulse and Party used to be play. Remember Ercola....??? You dont even hear them on Party, even though they were huge in 2008. That was the ANDRE influence there. Party WILL fail, period. And I wouldn't be suprised if TMO buys back 105.3 and 98.5 eventually.

The first time I ever heard Ercola ft Daniella - Every Word was in a pizza restaurant in eastern Long Island blasting Party 105.3.

 

[Dancerev889]

Re: EVEN I MUST ADMIT...

really?
on what planet did that occur?

..oh wait....'hot dance chart' ...yawn...nevermind...

at this moment in time, isn't 'hot' and 'dance' next to each other in the same sentence a contradiction in terms as my english teacher used to say?

Why don't you take your hatorade somewhere else? You called out Ercola and yes, that song was a huge dance track and a staple of Pulse. Would you like more numbers? They are around. No need to act like a sore loser for being wrong.

Ercola was a big record on dance stations, but thats it. It's in recurrent or not even in rotation anymore across the board

 

[d21ofnj]

Re: EVEN I MUST ADMIT...

As I recall, I think the only mainstream stations that touched Every Word was B96 Chicago and Power 96 Miami. A better example would've been Cascada, but just like Guetta and Tiesto, they "sold out" according to some dance fans.

 

[islanddxer]

Re: If you took the helm at Party FM, what would you do?

I said I would usually play the remix of a pop song if the regular mix is too urban. But I agree, playing 50% pop remixes is bad, and this is exactly what Party's new adds consist of, remixes of hip pop songs, like Baby Be Me and Money to Blow.
Some songs sound better as a regular mix, such as "Meet Me Halfway" by Black Eyed Peas and Lady gaga's Poker Face.
Others sound better remixed, like Baby by me.

 

[John Waywoods]

Re: If you took the helm at Party FM, what would you do?

I would go Alternative Rock and call it 87X. I would play only the latest Alt with younf DJs that could relate to their audience because they live the lifestyle. Sorry, dance does not cut it at this time in this country.

 

[d21ofnj]

Re: If you took the helm at Party FM, what would you do?

I would go Alternative Rock and call it 87X. I would play only the latest Alt with younf DJs that could relate to their audience because they live the lifestyle. Sorry, dance does not cut it at this time in this country.

Can't brand it as "X" since there is X96.3.  Just like the people say for the dance format, if alternative was a viable format in this market, RXP would be on the top 10 just like how Radio 104.5 in Philly is, no?  WLIR would still be serving NYC and LI, right?  I didn't see 107.1 The Peak hesitate to bid on 87.7.  At least Party is something, if not more than what I'm getting served with the other dials.

But back to topic, if I had the helm at PartyFM, it would sound exactly like how 967party.com was. 

 

[TonySantiago]

Re: If you took the helm at Party FM, what would you do?

Actually, I'd want another market. Preferably, somewhere in New England.

 

[TonySantiago]

Re: EVEN I MUST ADMIT...

As I recall, I think the only mainstream stations that touched Every Word was B96 Chicago and Power 96 Miami. A better example would've been Cascada, but just like Guetta and Tiesto, they "sold out" according to some dance fans.

And you know what, not for nothing Sam but it is OUR FAULT (dance fans as a whole, not specifically you or me) for doing that. I LOVED Tiesto's "I Will Be Here" but the trance traditionalists "curse" that track as Tiesto "selling out" in comparison to his older material. The same goes with Armin Van Buuren as well with "In And Out Of Love". This is where we "stab ourselves". We want artists to make a success and when they do, going with a sound that may come off as "mainstream", we curse them out for doing so.

We, the dance music afficionados, have to stop that.

 

[TonySantiago]

Re: EVEN I MUST ADMIT...

Im going to defend Lalumia here...not that he needs it from me, but nevertheless.

Jimi may appear as a "hater" to some, but he does tell it like it is based on his experience in owning a record store (Ronkonkoma, right....how far from PartyFM?) And in my sense, what I am starting to see right now has more to do with advertising and churning out an "engine" similar to hip-hop whereas money CAN come down to help "support" on these artists and getting play on radio stations. Once that "engine" can happen and be successful, you will see MORE stations latch on to dance as a format.

I believe this is the political "game" that was mentioned in another thread??

 

[TonySantiago]

Ok so the only new thing in this thread as opposed to the other Party threads is the talk about the station drop outs. Everything else here has been rehashed to death.

Dance purists don't like Party because it's not the Pulse. Again, they never indicated that they were going to be the Pulse. Is that so hard to understand. They are doing their thing the way the want to. If you're not a fan of it, like the other poster said, why listen. Complaining on a message board won't help change what is.

They are mostly Rap/Hip-Hop Again, not true. If you total up their mix you'd realize that it's about 60-40 dance on top. Of course that includes remixes but every dance station plays those including Pulse.

They are a Long Island Station Why because that's where they broadcast from? Was Z100 and KTU a Jersey station during their peak? No. It's not where you're from it's where you're at.

Their DJ's Are All Small Market That maybe your opinion but not mine. Vic is a New York fixture and the others all sound good enough to make it here.

Now getting back to the only issue not addressed, I'm guessing that the internet feed to the 87.7 signal failed. I don't have any inside info on that but it's the only thing that would make sense. Why wasn't it fixed earlier, I don't know but if the line is down there isn't much you can do about it except find another system that insures it doesn't happen again.

Also, Hip Hop and Dance grew up together in the clubs of NYC so they have always co-exisited with the exception as someone has said of the Gangsta Era.

And I dj'd to packed clubs (including the last 5 year residency before I retired) doing sets of dance/hip-hop/dancehall for more years than I care to admit in NYC so while it may not be your experience that it works, it does and always will.

Just my $.02

jp

John,

I have always respected you because at the very least, you see more angles to things than others. Being that you're here in NYC certainly helps in terms of the history of the situation regarding dance and hip-hop.

Yes, hip-hop has its roots FROM dance ("Rappers Delight" from Chic "Good Times"). Back then, people would dance with rap and disco music fused together. I may have been rather young to experience the clubs in those days but I've been to enough house parties to know in that sense . Even up to around 1990, hip-hop still fared well with dance along with the dancehall tracks breaking out at those times.

However, it WAS the gangsta stuff that caused a rift. Once your N.W.A., Tupac, Big E., stuff started coming in, that was the divide. So when Hot 97 did their tweak then went "full blown" with the hip-hop/R&B people were upset. That attitude has always been there. The ONLY way you can get away with spinning a dance track into hip-hop is if you go to a club where it is predominantly people "of color" where that is still accepted (such as Duvet in Manhattan or Salud in Yonkers). But try this at a Rise, Bliss, Glo, D'Jais, and it would be DJ "suicide".

Brett,

I've told you in the past about how things are, based on what I've seen here in NYC and why there is such a disdain from dance fans regarding hip-hop. Your experience however is MUCH different down where you are and I HAVE been in clubs in the Philly/So. Jersey area so in that sense I "get it". We may be 100 miles apart but we are radically different markets (that point was certainly laid down to me with that thread I did nearly 2 years ago). I also think you have a much more urban crowd to deal with there so in that regards, hip-hop and dance could co-exist. But for now, that's not totally the case up here.

I'm not going to argue with what John said...he is spot on with his boldfaced assessments. But if you're going to "hate" within ourselves based on your philosophy as a radio pro versus dance fans, then you become part of the "problem" instead of the "solution". That's what you always bust my chops on regarding this "dance snobbery" as you call it.......just keeping it real here because I don't really know how deep you're reading my posts but I am being SUPPORTIVE of PartyFM in the best way possible. But at the same time, I also have to look out for the dance music fans because their gripes and anger are legitimate concerns.

And the reason why hip-hop did it better? Because they knew that in order to make things happen, they would have to UNITE their resources and pool it in. That despite certain differences and spats going on, they knew that an "engine" had to be created so as people got paid, music got played, records got sold and artists have become strongly established. Within the dance music community (and it was something John brought up not too long ago), there is so much divisions and schisms going on that there is NO unity in that sense. There's no "engine" to pool resources together to set up some sort of financial "restitution" to the players that mattered, to which from that, more dance tracks would be found onto the shelves (in this case, online) and as long as people BOUGHT the material, then everyone can be paid.

Look, if that's what it is, then that's what it is and if WE can get that pool going somehow then hey, let's make it happen and get some more of this stuff around to those willing to buy into it! If that's the case, so be it!

 

[Dancerev889]

Ok so the only new thing in this thread as opposed to the other Party threads is the talk about the station drop outs. Everything else here has been rehashed to death.

Dance purists don't like Party because it's not the Pulse. Again, they never indicated that they were going to be the Pulse. Is that so hard to understand. They are doing their thing the way the want to. If you're not a fan of it, like the other poster said, why listen. Complaining on a message board won't help change what is.

They are mostly Rap/Hip-Hop Again, not true. If you total up their mix you'd realize that it's about 60-40 dance on top. Of course that includes remixes but every dance station plays those including Pulse.

They are a Long Island Station Why because that's where they broadcast from? Was Z100 and KTU a Jersey station during their peak? No. It's not where you're from it's where you're at.

Their DJ's Are All Small Market That maybe your opinion but not mine. Vic is a New York fixture and the others all sound good enough to make it here.

Now getting back to the only issue not addressed, I'm guessing that the internet feed to the 87.7 signal failed. I don't have any inside info on that but it's the only thing that would make sense. Why wasn't it fixed earlier, I don't know but if the line is down there isn't much you can do about it except find another system that insures it doesn't happen again.

Also, Hip Hop and Dance grew up together in the clubs of NYC so they have always co-exisited with the exception as someone has said of the Gangsta Era.

And I dj'd to packed clubs (including the last 5 year residency before I retired) doing sets of dance/hip-hop/dancehall for more years than I care to admit in NYC so while it may not be your experience that it works, it does and always will.

Just my $.02

jp

John,

I have always respected you because at the very least, you see more angles to things than others. Being that you're here in NYC certainly helps in terms of the history of the situation regarding dance and hip-hop.

Yes, hip-hop has its roots FROM dance ("Rappers Delight" from Chic "Good Times"). Back then, people would dance with rap and disco music fused together. I may have been rather young to experience the clubs in those days but I've been to enough house parties to know in that sense . Even up to around 1990, hip-hop still fared well with dance along with the dancehall tracks breaking out at those times.

However, it WAS the gangsta stuff that caused a rift. Once your N.W.A., Tupac, Big E., stuff started coming in, that was the divide. So when Hot 97 did their tweak then went "full blown" with the hip-hop/R&B people were upset. That attitude has always been there. The ONLY way you can get away with spinning a dance track into hip-hop is if you go to a club where it is predominantly people "of color" where that is still accepted (such as Duvet in Manhattan or Salud in Yonkers). But try this at a Rise, Bliss, Glo, D'Jais, and it would be DJ "suicide".

Brett,

I've told you in the past about how things are, based on what I've seen here in NYC and why there is such a disdain from dance fans regarding hip-hop. Your experience however is MUCH different down where you are and I HAVE been in clubs in the Philly/So. Jersey area so in that sense I "get it". We may be 100 miles apart but we are radically different markets (that point was certainly laid down to me with that thread I did nearly 2 years ago). I also think you have a much more urban crowd to deal with there so in that regards, hip-hop and dance could co-exist. But for now, that's not totally the case up here.

I'm not going to argue with what John said...he is spot on with his boldfaced assessments. But if you're going to "hate" within ourselves based on your philosophy as a radio pro versus dance fans, then you become part of the "problem" instead of the "solution". That's what you always bust my chops on regarding this "dance snobbery" as you call it.......just keeping it real here because I don't really know how deep you're reading my posts but I am being SUPPORTIVE of PartyFM in the best way possible. But at the same time, I also have to look out for the dance music fans because their gripes and anger are legitimate concerns.

And the reason why hip-hop did it better? Because they knew that in order to make things happen, they would have to UNITE their resources and pool it in. That despite certain differences and spats going on, they knew that an "engine" had to be created so as people got paid, music got played, records got sold and artists have become strongly established. Within the dance music community (and it was something John brought up not too long ago), there is so much divisions and schisms going on that there is NO unity in that sense. There's no "engine" to pool resources together to set up some sort of financial "restitution" to the players that mattered, to which from that, more dance tracks would be found onto the shelves (in this case, online) and as long as people BOUGHT the material, then everyone can be paid.

Look, if that's what it is, then that's what it is and if WE can get that pool going somehow then hey, let's make it happen and get some more of this stuff around to those willing to buy into it! If that's the case, so be it!

Tony, I meant what I wrote. I have never seen so much bs with a genre, but its not the artists or DJ's. Its mostly the fans. How many times has there been a discussion on what is dance and what isnt. That is one of the biggest problems the genre faces within the "dance" community. This community has in many way forgot how to promote itself. I never said you werent supportive of what Party was doing. Too many people that are "dance fans" are looking at the glass as half empty, last time I checked the glass is way over half full. Too many positives going on. No one is ever going to love a station for ever song they play and for what most of the people bashing Party wants, they dont understand that the station is looking for a large number of listeners not just a small amount.

There are plenty of pools or places where this community can come together. The problem is when these places happen, there are aways a ton that complain because it wasnt what they wanted.

 

[Hardrocker9]

remember this "Pulse 87, cause NY won't stand still for the same old music" ha look at 87 now, apparently they think, NY will stand for the same old music. HAHA

 

[BiggieFats]

<snip>

WBLS,you will never hear them play music like what PULSE 87 played.T

Up until a couple of Saturdays ago, I would've agreed with you, until I heard a mix show where late 80s freestyle was being played. WBLS NEVER played that when it was current so anything's possible.

 

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[JohnParker]

However, it WAS the gangsta stuff that caused a rift. Once your N.W.A., Tupac, Big E., stuff started coming in, that was the divide. So when Hot 97 did their tweak then went "full blown" with the hip-hop/R&B people were upset. That attitude has always been there. The ONLY way you can get away with spinning a dance track into hip-hop is if you go to a club where it is predominantly people "of color" where that is still accepted (such as Duvet in Manhattan or Salud in Yonkers). But try this at a Rise, Bliss, Glo, D'Jais, and it would be DJ "suicide".

Gangsta rap (and I worked a lot of it during my 5 years at Profile Records with DJ Quik and the like) took rap to a different level. And as I said in my note above, Dance & Rap did co-exist up until that point. After that it seperated until the reuniting that we are seeing today.

As for the "People of Color" statement, the fact is that there are way more clubs that play a mixture of dance and rap than play just one or the other. Places like Rise, D'Jais and the like are not set up as "Top 40" clubs. They specialize in dance music so you won't see that there because it's not why people go there. But the majority of clubs in America play a hodge podge of todays biggest hits regardless of the genre. I mean, even Pacha NYC has done a Hip Hop room!