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The verdict from Philadelphia

For those of you who want to see how ordinary radio geeks who haven't taken part in the debates on this board really feel about iNiquity's flawed technology, at least in its AM version, see the thread, "WPHT IBOC."
(Here's a link: http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,73509.0.html)

Note that except for one post from "Bill_W", there's nothing even remotely favorable to "HD" here. (And I'm posting a link to this post at the Phila. board so that the regulars there will be on the lookout for any sudden flurry of comments form the pro-IBOC regulars on this board!)
 
radioskeptic said:
For those of you who want to see how ordinary radio geeks who haven't taken part in the debates on this board really feel about iNiquity's flawed technology, at least in its AM version, see the thread, "WPHT IBOC."
(Here's a link: http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,73509.0.html)

Note that except for one post from "Bill_W", there's nothing even remotely favorable to "HD" here. (And I'm posting a link to this post at the Phila. board so that the regulars there will be on the lookout for any sudden flurry of comments form the pro-IBOC regulars on this board!)


"radio geeks"


Who cares what they think about HD. They are a small minority of people who do nothing to enhance the industry. Business decision; 50 radio geeks or 5 million average listeners... Who should be cater to?
 
R.F. Burns said:
"radio geeks"

Who cares what they think about HD. They are a small minority of people who do nothing to enhance the industry. Business decision; 50 radio geeks or 5 million average listeners... Who should be cater to?

Sangean cares - the handful of radio-geeks are the only ones giving all of the "consumer feedback", for their latest-and-greatest defective HD radio.
 
R.F. Burns said:
radioskeptic said:
For those of you who want to see how ordinary radio geeks who haven't taken part in the debates on this board really feel about iNiquity's flawed technology, at least in its AM version, see the thread, "WPHT IBOC."
(Here's a link: http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,73509.0.html)

Note that except for one post from "Bill_W", there's nothing even remotely favorable to "HD" here. (And I'm posting a link to this post at the Phila. board so that the regulars there will be on the lookout for any sudden flurry of comments form the pro-IBOC regulars on this board!)


"radio geeks"


Who cares what they think about HD. They are a small minority of people who do nothing to enhance the industry. Business decision; 50 radio geeks or 5 million average listeners... Who should be cater to?

Funny, but aren't you a 'radio geek' giving your take on HD radio here on this board? I imagine you do nothing to enhance your industry.. OH that's right you and 12 others in NYC doing your finest to insure HD radio is a success there. :p

5 million average listeners are saying 'HD What?'. ::)

Radiopilot
 
radiopilot said:
R.F. Burns said:
radioskeptic said:
For those of you who want to see how ordinary radio geeks who haven't taken part in the debates on this board really feel about iNiquity's flawed technology, at least in its AM version, see the thread, "WPHT IBOC."
(Here's a link: http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,73509.0.html)

Note that except for one post from "Bill_W", there's nothing even remotely favorable to "HD" here. (And I'm posting a link to this post at the Phila. board so that the regulars there will be on the lookout for any sudden flurry of comments form the pro-IBOC regulars on this board!)


"radio geeks"


Who cares what they think about HD. They are a small minority of people who do nothing to enhance the industry. Business decision; 50 radio geeks or 5 million average listeners... Who should be cater to?

Funny, but aren't you a 'radio geek' giving your take on HD radio here on this board? I imagine you do nothing to enhance your industry.. OH that's right you and 12 others in NYC doing your finest to insure HD radio is a success there. :p

5 million average listeners are saying 'HD What?'. ::)

Radiopilot


No, I'm someone who has made a carreer in broadcasting in the nations largest market. That wouldn't make me a geek, it would make me a success in the broadcast industry. Again, you are proven wrong. How is it possible for you to be wrong so many times?
 
R.F. Burns said:
radiopilot said:
R.F. Burns said:
radioskeptic said:
For those of you who want to see how ordinary radio geeks who haven't taken part in the debates on this board really feel about iNiquity's flawed technology, at least in its AM version, see the thread, "WPHT IBOC."
(Here's a link: http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,73509.0.html)

Note that except for one post from "Bill_W", there's nothing even remotely favorable to "HD" here. (And I'm posting a link to this post at the Phila. board so that the regulars there will be on the lookout for any sudden flurry of comments form the pro-IBOC regulars on this board!)


"radio geeks"


Who cares what they think about HD. They are a small minority of people who do nothing to enhance the industry. Business decision; 50 radio geeks or 5 million average listeners... Who should be cater to?

Funny, but aren't you a 'radio geek' giving your take on HD radio here on this board? I imagine you do nothing to enhance your industry.. OH that's right you and 12 others in NYC doing your finest to insure HD radio is a success there. :p

5 million average listeners are saying 'HD What?'. ::)

Radiopilot


No, I'm someone who has made a carreer in broadcasting in the nations largest market. That wouldn't make me a geek, it would make me a success in the broadcast industry. Again, you are proven wrong. How is it possible for you to be wrong so many times?

I'm an aerospace engineer with 29 years of experience with major companies like Boeing, NASA, Lockheed Martin, Pratt & Whitney, General Electric and a host of other major 500 companies and considered an expert in my field, now if that doesn't make me a 'geek' in my field I don't know what qualifies...

Could be I'm wrong about the radio industry and maybe I'm not but I'm informing myself daily about how HD radio at least AM HD is not going anywhere, I at least do know this technology is not going into the very hands it needs to be going to if it's to be a success, time and time again people post very good links, posts, etc. of the very age bracket radio needs to attract, but you guys are so blinded to this fact because in your local the cume says it's great, because you work in radio, but in reality you have no idea it's great, you keep on oiling those gears in the hopes it's all working, but the rust is coming like it or not!

Radiopilot
 
radiopilot said:
R.F. Burns said:
radiopilot said:
R.F. Burns said:
radioskeptic said:
For those of you who want to see how ordinary radio geeks who haven't taken part in the debates on this board really feel about iNiquity's flawed technology, at least in its AM version, see the thread, "WPHT IBOC."
(Here's a link: http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,73509.0.html)

Note that except for one post from "Bill_W", there's nothing even remotely favorable to "HD" here. (And I'm posting a link to this post at the Phila. board so that the regulars there will be on the lookout for any sudden flurry of comments form the pro-IBOC regulars on this board!)


"radio geeks"


Who cares what they think about HD. They are a small minority of people who do nothing to enhance the industry. Business decision; 50 radio geeks or 5 million average listeners... Who should be cater to?

Funny, but aren't you a 'radio geek' giving your take on HD radio here on this board? I imagine you do nothing to enhance your industry.. OH that's right you and 12 others in NYC doing your finest to insure HD radio is a success there. :p

5 million average listeners are saying 'HD What?'. ::)

Radiopilot


No, I'm someone who has made a carreer in broadcasting in the nations largest market. That wouldn't make me a geek, it would make me a success in the broadcast industry. Again, you are proven wrong. How is it possible for you to be wrong so many times?

I'm an aerospace engineer with 29 years of experience with major companies like Boeing, NASA, Lockheed Martin, Pratt & Whitney, General Electric and a host of other major 500 companies and considered an expert in my field, now if that doesn't make me a 'geek' in my field I don't know what qualifies...

Could be I'm wrong about the radio industry and maybe I'm not but I'm informing myself daily about how HD radio at least AM HD is not going anywhere, I at least do know this technology is not going into the very hands it needs to be going to if it's to be a success, time and time again people post very good links, posts, etc. of the very age bracket radio needs to attract, but you guys are so blinded to this fact because in your local the cume says it's great, because you work in radio, but in reality you have no idea it's great, you keep on oiling those gears in the hopes it's all working, but the rust is coming like it or not!

Radiopilot

But your comments about what is good for broadcasting ala HD radio would be like my telling the aerospace industry that they should consider the use or alternative methods to achive their goals/ What is it they say about opinions? Well if I were to weigh the value of someones comments it would be someone who has worked in a specific industry as opposed to someone who has done a little reading. I went to college in the 70's and much of what my professors told me while idealistic, turned out to be plain wrong in the real world of broadcasting. You are welcome to your opinion but unless you can bring more to the table like the fact that you have used HD radio (and other digital platforms) and can state that X,Y & Z are issues which will cause digital radio to fail. If however you or others are moaning the loss of first adjacents and Dxing, imagine my commenting about how the aerospace industry has ruined the my hobby of amateur piloting. I am not a pilot but I'm sure I can find some tie which will point out that the aerospace industry has caused some other hobbiest group an inconvenience.
 
R.F. Burns said:
radiopilot said:
R.F. Burns said:
radiopilot said:
R.F. Burns said:
radioskeptic said:
For those of you who want to see how ordinary radio geeks who haven't taken part in the debates on this board really feel about iNiquity's flawed technology, at least in its AM version, see the thread, "WPHT IBOC."
(Here's a link: http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,73509.0.html)

Note that except for one post from "Bill_W", there's nothing even remotely favorable to "HD" here. (And I'm posting a link to this post at the Phila. board so that the regulars there will be on the lookout for any sudden flurry of comments form the pro-IBOC regulars on this board!)


"radio geeks"


Who cares what they think about HD. They are a small minority of people who do nothing to enhance the industry. Business decision; 50 radio geeks or 5 million average listeners... Who should be cater to?

Funny, but aren't you a 'radio geek' giving your take on HD radio here on this board? I imagine you do nothing to enhance your industry.. OH that's right you and 12 others in NYC doing your finest to insure HD radio is a success there. :p

5 million average listeners are saying 'HD What?'. ::)

Radiopilot


No, I'm someone who has made a carreer in broadcasting in the nations largest market. That wouldn't make me a geek, it would make me a success in the broadcast industry. Again, you are proven wrong. How is it possible for you to be wrong so many times?

I'm an aerospace engineer with 29 years of experience with major companies like Boeing, NASA, Lockheed Martin, Pratt & Whitney, General Electric and a host of other major 500 companies and considered an expert in my field, now if that doesn't make me a 'geek' in my field I don't know what qualifies...

Could be I'm wrong about the radio industry and maybe I'm not but I'm informing myself daily about how HD radio at least AM HD is not going anywhere, I at least do know this technology is not going into the very hands it needs to be going to if it's to be a success, time and time again people post very good links, posts, etc. of the very age bracket radio needs to attract, but you guys are so blinded to this fact because in your local the cume says it's great, because you work in radio, but in reality you have no idea it's great, you keep on oiling those gears in the hopes it's all working, but the rust is coming like it or not!

Radiopilot

But your comments about what is good for broadcasting ala HD radio would be like my telling the aerospace industry that they should consider the use or alternative methods to achive their goals/ What is it they say about opinions? Well if I were to weigh the value of someones comments it would be someone who has worked in a specific industry as opposed to someone who has done a little reading. I went to college in the 70's and much of what my professors told me while idealistic, turned out to be plain wrong in the real world of broadcasting. You are welcome to your opinion but unless you can bring more to the table like the fact that you have used HD radio (and other digital platforms) and can state that X,Y & Z are issues which will cause digital radio to fail. If however you or others are moaning the loss of first adjacents and Dxing, imagine my commenting about how the aerospace industry has ruined the my hobby of amateur piloting. I am not a pilot but I'm sure I can find some tie which will point out that the aerospace industry has caused some other hobbiest group an inconvenience.

I have bought up the issue of how I heard and used HD radio right here in the Tampa-New Port Richey area, you remember that you wrote you have family here in Tampa not too far back if you recall?

One of the engineers here has the Sangean HDT-1 radio and we went through all the testing at his desk, so YEAH they are not baseless opinions or does a person have to physically own a lemon to say it's a lemon?

That is one of my tasks as an engineer to tell the industry where it must go otherwise we'd have plenty of Columbia Shuttle explosions or planes falling out of the sky, so if you know in your industry and plenty of RF engineers with combined totals of centuries of experience are complaining that HD is defective at least in certain parameters of it's operating system they should be heard after all they are the EXPERTS in their field.

DX'g is just a hobby for me and not even one I'm good at, I do it for fun and for what's happening in other parts of the country, not that I'd care if HD is going to ruin the AM band or not, but if I'm listening to a local station in my area and HD is ruining that station YOU BET I'm going to have a say about it.

You think that the aerospace industry didn't have a say in your radio industry, try looking at all the strobes and warning lights on antenna structures, did you complain about those?

You must be talking about the frequencies for aircraft use... well blame the FCC for that, can't comment on the Ham operators, their hobby and why they can't use certain areas of the band but that's something we can't hash here.

I too worked in a college radio station for 4 years and then it ended when I graduated, tried to get a job in radio and I could have made radio career but the reality of making a couple of hundred bucks a week wasn't in my favor so I opted for the real world of engineering instead of what I loved: radio.

Now 25 years later I run a small station and very happy at doing it, maybe it's not a major market like you are in but the love and feeling is the same, only I don't have to struggle each morning for the drudgery of traffic to get to some office building fighting people through elevators to get to my little corner of the world for 8-10 hours, I just get up when I want flick the switch and on comes the screen while I'm in my slippers sipping hot brewed coffee and chatting with my wife about life and how well it is.

Since I run my aerospace consulting company out of my home there is no need to go anywhere except when needed, when I get the next consulting contract (wherever, whenever that might be) then it's off for some fun too, for now I leave for New Port Richey on Mondays and return Thursdays to my home... that's the way it is.


Radiopilot
 
radiopilot said:
R.F. Burns said:
radiopilot said:
R.F. Burns said:
radiopilot said:
R.F. Burns said:
radioskeptic said:
For those of you who want to see how ordinary radio geeks who haven't taken part in the debates on this board really feel about iNiquity's flawed technology, at least in its AM version, see the thread, "WPHT IBOC."
(Here's a link: http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,73509.0.html)

Note that except for one post from "Bill_W", there's nothing even remotely favorable to "HD" here. (And I'm posting a link to this post at the Phila. board so that the regulars there will be on the lookout for any sudden flurry of comments form the pro-IBOC regulars on this board!)


"radio geeks"


Who cares what they think about HD. They are a small minority of people who do nothing to enhance the industry. Business decision; 50 radio geeks or 5 million average listeners... Who should be cater to?

Funny, but aren't you a 'radio geek' giving your take on HD radio here on this board? I imagine you do nothing to enhance your industry.. OH that's right you and 12 others in NYC doing your finest to insure HD radio is a success there. :p

5 million average listeners are saying 'HD What?'. ::)

Radiopilot


No, I'm someone who has made a carreer in broadcasting in the nations largest market. That wouldn't make me a geek, it would make me a success in the broadcast industry. Again, you are proven wrong. How is it possible for you to be wrong so many times?

I'm an aerospace engineer with 29 years of experience with major companies like Boeing, NASA, Lockheed Martin, Pratt & Whitney, General Electric and a host of other major 500 companies and considered an expert in my field, now if that doesn't make me a 'geek' in my field I don't know what qualifies...

Could be I'm wrong about the radio industry and maybe I'm not but I'm informing myself daily about how HD radio at least AM HD is not going anywhere, I at least do know this technology is not going into the very hands it needs to be going to if it's to be a success, time and time again people post very good links, posts, etc. of the very age bracket radio needs to attract, but you guys are so blinded to this fact because in your local the cume says it's great, because you work in radio, but in reality you have no idea it's great, you keep on oiling those gears in the hopes it's all working, but the rust is coming like it or not!

Radiopilot

But your comments about what is good for broadcasting ala HD radio would be like my telling the aerospace industry that they should consider the use or alternative methods to achive their goals/ What is it they say about opinions? Well if I were to weigh the value of someones comments it would be someone who has worked in a specific industry as opposed to someone who has done a little reading. I went to college in the 70's and much of what my professors told me while idealistic, turned out to be plain wrong in the real world of broadcasting. You are welcome to your opinion but unless you can bring more to the table like the fact that you have used HD radio (and other digital platforms) and can state that X,Y & Z are issues which will cause digital radio to fail. If however you or others are moaning the loss of first adjacents and Dxing, imagine my commenting about how the aerospace industry has ruined the my hobby of amateur piloting. I am not a pilot but I'm sure I can find some tie which will point out that the aerospace industry has caused some other hobbiest group an inconvenience.

I have bought up the issue of how I heard and used HD radio right here in the Tampa-New Port Richey area, you remember that you wrote you have family here in Tampa not too far back if you recall?

One of the engineers here has the Sangean HDT-1 radio and we went through all the testing at his desk, so YEAH they are not baseless opinions or does a person have to physically own a lemon to say it's a lemon?

That is one of my tasks as an engineer to tell the industry where it must go otherwise we'd have plenty of Columbia Shuttle explosions or planes falling out of the sky, so if you know in your industry and plenty of RF engineers with combined totals of centuries of experience are complaining that HD is defective at least in certain parameters of it's operating system they should be heard after all they are the EXPERTS in their field.

DX'g is just a hobby for me and not even one I'm good at, I do it for fun and for what's happening in other parts of the country, not that I'd care if HD is going to ruin the AM band or not, but if I'm listening to a local station in my area and HD is ruining that station YOU BET I'm going to have a say about it.

You think that the aerospace industry didn't have a say in your radio industry, try looking at all the strobes and warning lights on antenna structures, did you complain about those?

You must be talking about the frequencies for aircraft use... well blame the FCC for that, can't comment on the Ham operators, their hobby and why they can't use certain areas of the band but that's something we can't hash here.

I too worked in a college radio station for 4 years and then it ended when I graduated, tried to get a job in radio and I could have made radio career but the reality of making a couple of hundred bucks a week wasn't in my favor so I opted for the real world of engineering instead of what I loved: radio.

Now 25 years later I run a small station and very happy at doing it, maybe it's not a major market like you are in but the love and feeling is the same, only I don't have to struggle each morning for the drudgery of traffic to get to some office building fighting people through elevators to get to my little corner of the world for 8-10 hours, I just get up when I want flick the switch and on comes the screen while I'm in my slippers sipping hot brewed coffee and chatting with my wife about life and how well it is.

Since I run my aerospace consulting company out of my home there is no need to go anywhere except when needed, when I get the next consulting contract (wherever, whenever that might be) then it's off for some fun too, for now I leave for New Port Richey on Mondays and return Thursdays to my home... that's the way it is.


Radiopilot

Oh yes, now I remember. Tampa bay radio coverage is abysmal. My parents live in New Carolwood and at night the Am broadcast band is a disaster area now. They can barely receive many of the Tampa broadcast facilities because many of the directional stations which service Tampa don't cover the entire city with a useable signal. Tampa in radio terms was an afterthought. Between the weak signals and all of the carribean interference it's a mess down there. Did you try any of the FM HD stations? What type of antenna did your friend use. If you aren't in the city limits theer (and it's a sprawling community) you can't expect much especially on AM with low power stations many running 5 K or less. Of the stations licensed to Tampa the highest powered station is running 11KW but 5 towers. As a matter of fact all of the Tampa full time stations are using 5 towers or more. It's an RF challenged market on AM.
 
PocketRadio said:
Sangean cares - the handful of radio-geeks are the only ones giving all of the "consumer feedback", for their latest-and-greatest defective HD radio.

Seriously, for ANY piece of equipment, isn't it only the zealots or the "hata's" that give feedback? I mean, when the average consumers buy DVD players, do they all go online to talk about them? Of course not. For the few people that do, it's nice when a company listens to feedback.

As for your blanket comment about the radio being defective, you obviously don't own one. I've posted actual facts (not just URLs of hearsay, cross-posts or propaganda) of what stations I get on an indoor dipole antenna 35 miles from Chicago. The Sangean radios are not "defective." Mine is not only a decent HD Radio, but it is currently the best analog AM receiver I own. The FM is damn good too, and doesn't suffer at all like some of my other radios from a local FM station 1 mile away.
 
R.F. Burns said:
Oh yes, now I remember. Tampa bay radio coverage is abysmal. My parents live in New Carolwood and at night the Am broadcast band is a disaster area now. They can barely receive many of the Tampa broadcast facilities because many of the directional stations which service Tampa don't cover the entire city with a useable signal. Tampa in radio terms was an afterthought. Between the weak signals and all of the carribean interference it's a mess down there. Did you try any of the FM HD stations? What type of antenna did your friend use. If you aren't in the city limits theer (and it's a sprawling community) you can't expect much especially on AM with low power stations many running 5 K or less. Of the stations licensed to Tampa the highest powered station is running 11KW but 5 towers. As a matter of fact all of the Tampa full time stations are using 5 towers or more. It's an RF challenged market on AM.

Yeah, so you know how the radio situation is over here in Tampa and surrounding areas, well at least for a radio engineer you's know this but the average 'Joe' doesn't, so he's being told to buy that HD radio by his trusted dj he's listen to for years and then he's disappointed when he really doesn't get that CD quality sound on FM or the FM quality sound on AM... get my drift?

The Sangean at the office has an multi-element FM antenna up on the roof of the building pointesd to all the FM stations towards Tampa. FM HD comes in at several stations and it does sound no different than regular FM, AM analog does come in on other peoples radios but on the Sangean there is no HD lock on any signal not to mention not too many AM stations come in at all. When an AM station does come in it's the worst sounding broadcast anyone can listen for less than a second. So he describes how he never listens to AM... so I imagine anyone with an HD radio in this entire area except maybe the person living next to the tower proximity is not able to recieve AM-HD period.

There are plenty of FM towers within eye sight of the company... so the HD signal should have no problem getting to that antenna, why does the FM sound like regular FM even though the HD light is on indicating it's recieving HD?

These are my conclusions and I listen to this radio at least once a week everytime I come down here.

Radiopilot
 
radiopilot said:
R.F. Burns said:
Oh yes, now I remember. Tampa bay radio coverage is abysmal. My parents live in New Carolwood and at night the Am broadcast band is a disaster area now. They can barely receive many of the Tampa broadcast facilities because many of the directional stations which service Tampa don't cover the entire city with a useable signal. Tampa in radio terms was an afterthought. Between the weak signals and all of the carribean interference it's a mess down there. Did you try any of the FM HD stations? What type of antenna did your friend use. If you aren't in the city limits theer (and it's a sprawling community) you can't expect much especially on AM with low power stations many running 5 K or less. Of the stations licensed to Tampa the highest powered station is running 11KW but 5 towers. As a matter of fact all of the Tampa full time stations are using 5 towers or more. It's an RF challenged market on AM.

Yeah, so you know how the radio situation is over here in Tampa and surrounding areas, well at least for a radio engineer you's know this but the average 'Joe' doesn't, so he's being told to buy that HD radio by his trusted dj he's listen to for years and then he's disappointed when he really doesn't get that CD quality sound on FM or the FM quality sound on AM... get my drift?

The Sangean at the office has an multi-element FM antenna up on the roof of the building pointesd to all the FM stations towards Tampa. FM HD comes in at several stations and it does sound no different than regular FM, AM analog does come in on other peoples radios but on the Sangean there is no HD lock on any signal not to mention not too many AM stations come in at all. When an AM station does come in it's the worst sounding broadcast anyone can listen for less than a second. So he describes how he never listens to AM... so I imagine anyone with an HD radio in this entire area except maybe the person living next to the tower proximity is not able to recieve AM-HD period.

There are plenty of FM towers within eye sight of the company... so the HD signal should have no problem getting to that antenna, why does the FM sound like regular FM even though the HD light is on indicating it's recieving HD?

These are my conclusions and I listen to this radio at least once a week everytime I come down here.

Radiopilot

But it doesn't sound like regular FM. The noise floor is much lower on the digital then on the analog. Listen carefully to a standard FM station and there's always the everpresent hiss., that's gone in digital. The high end removed from analog FM is now present and the stereo seperation is much better on HD then it is in analog. Then there's the multicasting which FM can't do. Here in NY we have about 10 new music formats otherwise not available thanks to HD radio. That alone and for the fact that it remains free of a monthly fee, make it worth while. Also, as FM radios have made major improvements over the years as technology improves, so will HD radio. Take a look at all technologies and they al improve given time. At this time we are in the first generation of HD technology.
 
R.F. Burns said:
radiopilot said:
R.F. Burns said:
Oh yes, now I remember. Tampa bay radio coverage is abysmal. My parents live in New Carolwood and at night the Am broadcast band is a disaster area now. They can barely receive many of the Tampa broadcast facilities because many of the directional stations which service Tampa don't cover the entire city with a useable signal. Tampa in radio terms was an afterthought. Between the weak signals and all of the carribean interference it's a mess down there. Did you try any of the FM HD stations? What type of antenna did your friend use. If you aren't in the city limits theer (and it's a sprawling community) you can't expect much especially on AM with low power stations many running 5 K or less. Of the stations licensed to Tampa the highest powered station is running 11KW but 5 towers. As a matter of fact all of the Tampa full time stations are using 5 towers or more. It's an RF challenged market on AM.

Yeah, so you know how the radio situation is over here in Tampa and surrounding areas, well at least for a radio engineer you's know this but the average 'Joe' doesn't, so he's being told to buy that HD radio by his trusted dj he's listen to for years and then he's disappointed when he really doesn't get that CD quality sound on FM or the FM quality sound on AM... get my drift?

The Sangean at the office has an multi-element FM antenna up on the roof of the building pointesd to all the FM stations towards Tampa. FM HD comes in at several stations and it does sound no different than regular FM, AM analog does come in on other peoples radios but on the Sangean there is no HD lock on any signal not to mention not too many AM stations come in at all. When an AM station does come in it's the worst sounding broadcast anyone can listen for less than a second. So he describes how he never listens to AM... so I imagine anyone with an HD radio in this entire area except maybe the person living next to the tower proximity is not able to recieve AM-HD period.

There are plenty of FM towers within eye sight of the company... so the HD signal should have no problem getting to that antenna, why does the FM sound like regular FM even though the HD light is on indicating it's recieving HD?

These are my conclusions and I listen to this radio at least once a week everytime I come down here.

Radiopilot

But it doesn't sound like regular FM. The noise floor is much lower on the digital then on the analog. Listen carefully to a standard FM station and there's always the everpresent hiss., that's gone in digital. The high end removed from analog FM is now present and the stereo seperation is much better on HD then it is in analog. Then there's the multicasting which FM can't do. Here in NY we have about 10 new music formats otherwise not available thanks to HD radio. That alone and for the fact that it remains free of a monthly fee, make it worth while. Also, as FM radios have made major improvements over the years as technology improves, so will HD radio. Take a look at all technologies and they al improve given time. At this time we are in the first generation of HD technology.

But unfortunately it does.. FM on that unit sounds no better if not just slightly clearer than analog FM, not sure if it's the small stereo speakers (powered) or the unit itself but I can guarantee you the cheaper $50 Emerson stereos on another persons desk with antenna is sounding much clearer than the Sangean.

I know these are first generation but you think the second generation Sangean HDT-1x will better, because from what I've read they are only fixing the clock defect, the HD lock to analog along with other minor changes.

There are many people with problems with HD right on these boards, case in point read the below to get an idea of the problems:

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,72324.0.html

I'm not making any of this up.

Radiopilot
 
radiopilot said:
But unfortunately it does.. FM on that unit sounds no better if not just slightly clearer than analog FM, not sure if it's the small stereo speakers (powered) or the unit itself but I can guarantee you the cheaper $50 Emerson stereos on another persons desk with antenna is sounding much clearer than the Sangean.

I know these are first generation but you think the second generation Sangean HDT-1x will better, because from what I've read they are only fixing the clock defect, the HD lock to analog along with other minor changes.

There are many people with problems with HD right on these boards, case in point read the below to get an idea of the problems:

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,72324.0.html

I'm not making any of this up.

Radiopilot

There are so many problems with HD Radio, where does one start ? Just ridiculous, when HD Radio owners have to reboot their radios just to listen to "radio", get the latest software/firmware downloads off the Internet, purchase new HD radios for the new subscription-based HD channels, purchase new HD radios when current ones are full-of-bugs, and having to mount special antennas. The beauty of analog radio, especially AM, is that radios cost $10 - $25, and just a flick of the switch puts one 1000 miles away - what could be more graceful and powerful than that ?
 
PocketRadio said:
radiopilot said:
But unfortunately it does.. FM on that unit sounds no better if not just slightly clearer than analog FM, not sure if it's the small stereo speakers (powered) or the unit itself but I can guarantee you the cheaper $50 Emerson stereos on another persons desk with antenna is sounding much clearer than the Sangean.

I know these are first generation but you think the second generation Sangean HDT-1x will better, because from what I've read they are only fixing the clock defect, the HD lock to analog along with other minor changes.

There are many people with problems with HD right on these boards, case in point read the below to get an idea of the problems:

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,72324.0.html

I'm not making any of this up.

Radiopilot

There are so many problems with HD Radio, where does one start ? Just ridiculous, when HD Radio owners have to reboot their radios just to listen to "radio", get the latest software/firmware downloads off the Internet, purchase new HD radios for the new subscription-based HD channels, purchase new HD radios when current ones are full-of-bugs, and having to mount special antennas. The beauty of analog radio, especially AM, is that radios cost $10 - $25, and just a flick of the switch puts one 1000 miles away - what could be more graceful and powerful than that ?

Interesting and very telling about how little you know. I have two HD radios and none of those problems. What is it they say about ignorance or is it a little bit of knowledge in the wrong hands?
 
PocketRadio said:
There are so many problems with HD Radio, where does one start ? Just ridiculous, when HD Radio owners have to reboot their radios just to listen to "radio", get the latest software/firmware downloads off the Internet, purchase new HD radios for the new subscription-based HD channels, purchase new HD radios when current ones are full-of-bugs, and having to mount special antennas.

Ladies and Gentlemen... this is now the list of the anti crowd. Talk about..."Just ridiculous"

HD Radio owners have to reboot their radios just to listen to "radio",

Never happened to me. Don't know anyone who did.

get the latest software/firmware downloads off the Internet,

I don't believe my radio is "Firmware" upgradeable. Works great without it anyway.

purchase new HD radios for the new subscription-based HD channels,

This is like you and HD. Don't want it. Ain't gonna buy it.

purchase new HD radios when current ones are full-of-bugs,

What's it the little puppy sings? "There ain't no bogs on me..." you're grasping at straws.

and having to mount special antennas.

My Accurian worked fine by connecting the existing wire antenna on my stereo.

The beauty of analog radio, especially AM, is that radios cost $10 - $25, and just a flick of the switch puts one 1000 miles away - what could be more graceful and powerful than that ?

How about turning on an AM radio and getting full response stereo broadcast of whatever was happening ANYWHERE? Directly from your local station.

Sorry, "I want to be able to DX" has been discounted when the new rules were written.

Clouseau
 
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