The War On Hip-Hop

[SCRHack]

Now I've seen posters call the hip hop community and its style of music everything short of the N word on this board.

Why all the hostility?

YES this market is Innudated with Urban music. (Hello its an URBAN market.) YES there is an ABSOLUTE lack of a decent full time rock station be it a classic, active or alt rocker. You just have MMR and MGK who we have all known for the longest times have VERY VERY similiar playlists. There is YSP who is gonna try and take on the hot talker fad from the big bosses at Infinity or CBS Radio as it is. It does have some music on the weekends and later on in the evening but how long that will last no one really knows.

BUT this is not about rap music hurting our youth (the same people said the same things with your generation and its rock music as another poster has pointed out.) People like Kanye West are not ignorant and unintelligent as some other posters have tried to point out by using his song in titles and referencing it in other posts.

I mean honestly this isn't even the gangsta rap of the early to mid nineties. Yet a select few posters on this board make My Humps out to be Cop Killer. I don't understand it. There are valid complaints out there. Half the stations in this market are TERRIBLE and its a MAJOR market. There are talentless jocks, tired bits and tight short playlists. None of this is the fault of the hip hop community everyone seems to be placing the blame on. Hip hop music is being credited for the downfall of Philly radio and of community and family values on the whole. The problem is no one is listening to this. No one is seeing the intelligence that artists like Kanye, Black Star and Jay-Z can really display in their work. Instead it goes automatically to hip hop = crap.

I strive to think that there are good people in this world and this assault on hip hop on this board is not race related. But I fail to see how it isn't. It is a constant by many posters who seemingly go out of their way to put "white" music up and "black" music down. I never ever shut out any genre. For the longest time I was one of those I like everything but country people. I actually started listening to country. It aint bad. I'm a big fan of Big N Rich. I think if there wasn't so much prejudging about hip hop maybe even some of the older people would like it. But if it has a bass beat and no guitar it doesn't seem that they are interested.

I just wish people would stop making broad generalizations about an industry and art form and culture that *I* as a white suburban 20something who works in this industry holds very dear. Instead of tolerance we get by gummit there needs to be more Sianatra on the air. I love Frank. The chairman is irreplaceable I even have standards on my preset for XM. The reason it isn't there on your FM dial is its lack of money making ability. I don't think there are gigantic conspiracies. I just think that this is the what the radio brass around here think sells. If they weren't making money we all know they would change it.

Everyone around this time of year wants to give peace a chance. I say those of you who backhand the hip hop genre constantly to give it a chance or at least change your argument up a little bit, it's tired.

 

[musicrrrr]

> Now I've seen posters call the hip hop community and its
> style of music everything short of the N word on this board.
>
> You don't have to travel too far to hear the N word...not within my own circles though. In fact I hardly ever hear it...except for when I'm in the company of black people. Perhaps if they stopped calling each other the N word the rest of us would have forgotten it by now.

> Why all the hostility?

Who is hostile? I'm not hostile. I don't think you are either...you seem like an intelligent person. So where is all the hostility? Let's see...how many shootings occured in North Philly today? Let's all watch the 6:00 news and report back.

People like Kanye West are not ignorant and unintelligent as some other
posters have tried to point out by using his song in titles and referencing it in other posts.

OK...I have an open mind. Let's look at some Kayne West lyrics and perhaps I'll be proven wrong.

N-n-n-now, my flow
Is in the pocket like wallets, I got the bounce like hydrolics
I can't call it, I got the swerve like alchoooool-ics
My freshman year I was goin through hell, a problem
Still I, built up the nerve to drop my ass up outta collllllll-ege
My teacher said I'se a loser, I told her why don't you kill me
I give a (BLEEP) if you fail me, I'm gonna folllllllllll-ow
My heart, and if you follow the charts, to the plaques or the stacks
You ain't gotta guess who's back, you see
I'm so shy that you thought it was bashfull but this
bastard's flow will bash a skull
And I will, cut your girl like Pastor Troy
And I don't, usually smoke but pass the 'dro
And I won't, give you that money that you askin fo'
Why you think, me and Dame cool, we assholes
That's why we here your music in fast fo'
Cuz we don't wanna here that weak (BLEEP) no mo'

[Chorus: Kanye West]
N-now, th-th-through ya motherfuckin hands
GET EM HIGH
All the girls pass the weed to ya motherfuckin man
GET EM HIGH
Now I ain't never tell you to put down ya hands
KEEP EM HIGH
And if ya losin yo high than smoke again
KEEP EM HIGH.

Ummmm...Wait...No...Not Yet...Don't rush to judgment. We need to make sure that everyone has looked at the lyrics from all angles. Oh, OK, you are correct sir! If only Mr. Sinatra had this much class in all of his music.

Give me a break. What more evidence do you need that rap music is crap? Would you really want your kids listening to this vulgarity? What more evidence do you need that this stuff doesn't contribute to a healthy society?

There should be hostility toward it. In fact there should be MORE hostility toward it.

I strive to think that there are good people in this world and this assault on hip hop on this board is not race related. But I fail to see how it isn't. It is a constant by many posters who seemingly go out of their way to put "white" music up and "black" music down.

I consider myself good people. I'm sure you probably do as well. I'm not bringing "race" into the equation...but if you read the above lyrics...yeah, I'm putting down rap music...as thankfully most people do.

Remember Kayne West after the Hurricane Katrina? "George Bush hates black people." People are tired of false accusations of racism, everything revolves around race, and we're not letting them get away with it anymore.

Everyone around this time of year wants to give peace a chance. I say those of you who backhand the hip hop genre constantly to give it a chance or at least change your argument up a little bit, it's tired.

No need to change the argument. It works just fine because the arguments are correct. If some people wish to bury their heads in the sand and ignore the evidence...there is nothing I can do to change their minds. Maybe the composers of this so-called "music" should change their lyrics and the rest of us would stop picking on it.

 

[CHRles]

Great post. I completely agree with everything you wrote and wish someone would make this a sticky.

 

[CHRles]

>
> Ummmm...Wait...No...Not Yet...Don't rush to judgment. We
> need to make sure that everyone has looked at the lyrics
> from all angles. Oh, OK, you are correct sir! If only Mr.
> Sinatra had this much class in all of his music.

You're comparing Frank to Kanye?!! At the same time, why don't you compare Sinatra with Bach and Pavarotti why don't you? Maybe you can even compare him to Jesus Christ if you want.
Hip Hop versus Adult Standards???
Kanye isn't reaching out to the early 20th century American audience that Sinatra was trying to reach. Just like Frank Sinatra wasn't trying to reach the people who were born in the mid 19th century.
I wonder what ELVIS would say about Hip Hop music and Kanye West. Or have you forgotten who influenced him?

>
> Give me a break. What more evidence do you need that rap
> music is crap? Would you really want your kids listening to
> this vulgarity? What more evidence do you need that this
> stuff doesn't contribute to a healthy society?

You're right. The propaganda music of 1930s Nazi Germany had much more class. The propaganda music of Soviet Russia in the 1950s was nowhere nearly this vulgar. Oh, and I'm sure Kanye West's music is far more damaging then listening to a Bin Laden speech, right?
So I guess in the 1980s Iron Maiden never talked about the devil, and in the 1960s Pink Floyd never sang about getting high, huh?

And I guess you've heard one Kanye song you heard em all, is that right?

>
> There should be hostility toward it. In fact there should
> be MORE hostility toward it.
>
> I strive to think that there are good people in this world
> and this assault on hip hop on this board is not race
> related. But I fail to see how it isn't. It is a constant by
> many posters who seemingly go out of their way to put
> "white" music up and "black" music down.
>
> I consider myself good people. I'm sure you probably do as
> well. I'm not bringing "race" into the equation...but if
> you read the above lyrics...yeah, I'm putting down rap
> music...as thankfully most people do.
>
> Remember Kayne West after the Hurricane Katrina? "George
> Bush hates black people." People are tired of false
> accusations of racism, everything revolves around race, and
> we're not letting them get away with it anymore.


Who do you mean by "we" when you say we're not letting them get away with it? All the white people who "thankfully" put down rap?
Last time I checked Kanye West was an artist not a political leader. He's entitled to speak his mind. His heart went out to the poor people of N.O., who were predominantly black, and in the heat of the moment he let his emotion get the best of him. What's your excuse for saying things like "we're letting them get away with it anymore"?

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by CHRles on 12/29/05 11:10 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[theunseenvoice]

Dark Side Of The Moon didn't come out 'til 1973. So you should say 1970s...because that's when they were at the height of their popularity. FYI - Let's see Kanye West have an album on the charts for nearly 20 years after it's release (like Pink Floyd did).

...and in the 1960s Pink Floyd never sang about getting
> high, huh?

 

[musicrrrr]

You're comparing Frank to Kanye?!!

Nope...not at all. There is no comparison.

At the same time, why
> don't you compare Sinatra with Bach and Pavarotti why don't
> you? Maybe you can even compare him to Jesus Christ if you
> want.
> Kanye isn't reaching out to the early 20th century American
> audience that Sinatra was trying to reach. Just like Frank
> Sinatra wasn't trying to reach the people who were both in
> the 19th century.

That is a moot point. In fact you missed the point entirely...which isn't surprising if you are a fan of this music. It wasn't an artist to artist comparison or a time period comparison.

It was a demonstration in how vulgar rap music is...and I will continue to insult it because it has no place in a civilized society...

>
> You're right. The propaganda music of 1930s Nazi Germany had
> much more class. The propaganda music of Soviet Russia in
> the 1950s was nowhere nearly this vulgar. Oh, and I'm sure
> Kanye West's music is far more damaging then listening to a
> Bin Laden speech, right?

Typical liberal arguments. Let's bring up evidence that has NOTHING to do with what is being discussed. In fact...why don't we just name every artist and every nation and every genre of music that may or may not be considered vulgar.
I'm not talking about Nazi Germany of the 30's...it's not related to the discussion.

If you want to defend rap music you should demonsrate all of it's positive aspects...instead of using Soviet Russia. Pay attention...in order to win the debate, you MUST demonsrate EVIDENCE, and we can weigh the evidence and decide whose argument has more merit. You have failed to do that by introducing music of different time periods that has no bearing on THIS PARTICULAR discussion.

> So I guess in the 1980s Iron Maiden never talked about the
> devil, and in the 1960s Pink Floyd never sang about getting
> high, huh?

Huh? Huh? Huh? As you like to say...I don't know, I don't listen to Iron Maiden or 1960's Pink Floyd. Stay focused smart boy.


>
> And I guess you've heard one Kanye song you heard em all, is
> that right?

Perhaps not. I haven't heard all of his lyrics. Show me one that doesn't embrace the thugs.


Who do you mean by "we" when you say we're not letting them
> get away with it? All the white people who "thankfully" put
> down rap?

I mean ANYONE who choses to see the absurdity in involving race in every injustice that has ever happened to black people. YOU are the one who chose to bring "whitey" into this equation.

> Last time I checked Kanye West was an artist not a political
> leader. He's entitled to speak his mind. His heart went out
> to the poor people of N.O., who were predominantly black,
> and in the heat of the moment he let his emotion get the
> best of him.

More liberal crap that has no bearing on the original argument. My heart went out to them too. As I'm sure did yours. I didn't say that he's not entitled to speak his mind...but when he demonstrates absurdity...or as you put it..."the heat of the moment..." I'm going to call him on it.

 

[CHRles]

> Dark Side Of The Moon didn't come out 'til 1973. So you
> should say 1970s...because that's when they were at the
> height of their popularity. FYI - Let's see Kanye West have
> an album on the charts for nearly 20 years after it's
> release (like Pink Floyd did).
>
I was referring to Floyd's music that predates "Dark Side of the Moon". Listen to their really early work - they sound like they're high as a kite. And yet, look at them a few years later how they've matured, and grown to create some of the most artistic and intelligent/orogressive rock ever made. Yet even then on classics like "Comfortably Numb" there are obvious drug references.
I don't know if Kanye West can hold his own for 20 years, and am not betting on him to be releasing "The Wall" anytime soon, but that doesn't mean I should bash him. A lot of today's popular artists will never be like Pink Floyd. Do you think Britney Spears is going to release "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" in the coming years? Or Maroon 5?

 

[CHRles]

> You're comparing Frank to Kanye?!!
>
> Nope...not at all. There is no comparison.
>
> At the same time, why
> > don't you compare Sinatra with Bach and Pavarotti why
> don't
> > you? Maybe you can even compare him to Jesus Christ if you
>
> > want.
> > Kanye isn't reaching out to the early 20th century
> American
> > audience that Sinatra was trying to reach. Just like Frank
>
> > Sinatra wasn't trying to reach the people who were both in
>
> > the 19th century.
>
> That is a moot point. In fact you missed the point
> entirely...which isn't surprising if you are a fan of this
> music. It wasn't an artist to artist comparison or a time
> period comparison.
>
> It was a demonstration in how vulgar rap music is...and I
> will continue to insult it because it has no place in a
> civilized society...
>
> >
> > You're right. The propaganda music of 1930s Nazi Germany
> had
> > much more class. The propaganda music of Soviet Russia in
> > the 1950s was nowhere nearly this vulgar. Oh, and I'm sure
>
> > Kanye West's music is far more damaging then listening to
> a
> > Bin Laden speech, right?
>
> Typical liberal arguments. Let's bring up evidence that has
> NOTHING to do with what is being discussed. In fact...why
> don't we just name every artist and every nation and every
> genre of music that may or may not be considered vulgar.
> I'm not talking about Nazi Germany of the 30's...it's not
> related to the discussion.
>
> If you want to defend rap music you should demonsrate all of
> it's positive aspects...instead of using Soviet Russia. Pay
> attention...in order to win the debate, you MUST demonsrate
> EVIDENCE, and we can weigh the evidence and decide whose
> argument has more merit. You have failed to do that by
> introducing music of different time periods that has no
> bearing on THIS PARTICULAR discussion.

The point is that you're only lashing out at Hip Hop music.
Not everybody wants to hear Frank Sinatra. For some people it seems like all his love songs sound the same way, except for "My Way" and "New York New York".
You want to talk about Hip Hop music's artistic side listen to guys like Nas and The Fugees (or just to Lauryn Hill) or to Talib Kwelli.
Some of Hip Hop's influences stem from their environment, from broken homes, gangs, and ghettos full of high school dropouts. You'll hear these party songs that are a mix of some guys fantasy alongside the slangs and the hobbies of people in the hoods during their free time.
Does Frank Sinatra sing about that?

And even though I am much more of a liberal then a conservative I still hate it when I see people on here comparing a N/T personality like Sean Hanity to a diabolical monster like Adolf Hitler.

>
> > So I guess in the 1980s Iron Maiden never talked about the
>
> > devil, and in the 1960s Pink Floyd never sang about
> getting
> > high, huh?
>
> Huh? Huh? Huh? As you like to say...I don't know, I don't
> listen to Iron Maiden or 1960's Pink Floyd. Stay focused
> smart boy.

I'm very focused. I'm giving you examples of other types of music that you've never brought up. All you keep saying is that Hip Hop is bad, and that it corrupts people's minds. Same thing was said about the abovementioned artists.
Your arguments are oftentimes one sided. So you might want to stay focused too smart boy.

>
>
> >
> > And I guess you've heard one Kanye song you heard em all,
> is
> > that right?
>
> Perhaps not. I haven't heard all of his lyrics. Show me
> one that doesn't embrace the thugs.
>
>
> Who do you mean by "we" when you say we're not letting them
> > get away with it? All the white people who "thankfully"
> put
> > down rap?
>
> I mean ANYONE who choses to see the absurdity in involving
> race in every injustice that has ever happened to black
> people. YOU are the one who chose to bring "whitey" into
> this equation.
>
> > Last time I checked Kanye West was an artist not a
> political
> > leader. He's entitled to speak his mind. His heart went
> out
> > to the poor people of N.O., who were predominantly black,
> > and in the heat of the moment he let his emotion get the
> > best of him.
>
> More liberal crap that has no bearing on the original
> argument. My heart went out to them too. As I'm sure did
> yours. I didn't say that he's not entitled to speak his
> mind...but when he demonstrates absurdity...or as you put
> it..."the heat of the moment..." I'm going to call him on
> it.
>
Yeah, you do that. you raise your anti Kanye West flag while the administration takes its sweet time in rescuing others. FEMA failed, the governor and the mayor didn't do enough, and the president needed to do a lot more. So yeah, go ahead and focus on absurd remarks by Kanye West - I'll focus on the absurd results and reactions of the people this country put its trust in during the crisis.

The problem here is that sadly you're not just a racist, but you're also a hypocrite.

 

[KlassikKountry]

Since you are probably referring to me, let me enlighten you on this, don't even compare Frank, Dean or Elvis to this Rap product, not even on the same page. Rap/Hip Hop music is Racist Music, listen to Public Enemy and all the other trash rappers out there. Kill whitey, rape his sister, kill white pigs, this is not our country its whiteys, why go to war for whitey. Rob and take everything he has, and on and on, does this ever end, if these messages were not being Rapped out, what else would they have to Rap about, is there a Rap video out that praises whitey, doubt it, why all THIS HOSTILITY TOWARD THE WHITES AND ASIANS. This is just a sample of the trash coming out of this music, and the ignorant white burb kids enbarace it, without absorbing the lyrics. Don't even go to claiming Metal and Rock are racist, I never heard Ozzy say kill blacks or any other metal band attack African Americans or any other race, so what if they mention drugs, sex and rock and roll, it hurts no-one. Bottom line, Rap/HH are Racist, Rock is not. Mister West should of made his remarks in some Communist country about their leader, I know for damn sure he would of been no longer on this earth, he is one lucky punk. Check out the news tonight, I am sure there will be at least one story on how some riot broke out at a Rap concert or how some rap influenced drive by killed an innocent child, or how some big whig was gunned down by a rival record executive. Look at the hate on the faces of these people listening to this music on their headphones walking around in public, you think they won't pull a gun on you, wrong, the lyrics, beat and coke hop them up. Just the facts my friend, dispute if you wish, but you cannot change the truth. And we are not even touching on the adult version of rap messages on the airwaves, WHAT and WURD, same topics different presentation. Its called hate whitey radio, and the bias, unregulated, one-sided FCC is the blame. More of these stations are popping up all over the USA.

 

[musicrrrr]

>
The point is that you're only lashing out at Hip Hop music.

You are correct! Ding!! I am ONLY lashing out at Hip Hop music because THAT is what is being discussed in THIS post...Would you like me to LASH out at everything else at which I could lash? Again, that would have NO bearing on this argument.
>
> Not everybody wants to hear Frank Sinatra. For some people
> it seems like all his love songs sound the same way, except
> for "My Way" and "New York New York".

Ding!!! Yes...not everyone wants to hear Frank Sinatra. You won't walk away empty-handed.

> You want to talk about Hip Hop music's artistic side listen
> to guys like Nas and The Fugees (or just to Lauryn Hill) or
> to Talib Kwelli.

I don't know about the latter...but I know that Lauryn Hill and The Fugees have made VERY anti-white comments. If you would like me to find the EXACT comments I'm sure I would have no trouble doing so. But just take my word for it for argument's sake.

> Some of Hip Hop's influences stem from their environment,
> from broken homes, gangs, and ghettos full of high school
> dropouts. You'll hear these party songs that are a mix of
> some guys fantasy alongside the slangs and the hobbies of
> people in the hoods during their free time.

OH OK, wonderful...let's SPREAD agony all over the land so that we can bitch about the problems instead of focusing on correcting our problems. Let's continue to celebrate drug use, crime, gangs...that will SURELY bring people to our defense and they will empathize with us.
>
Does Frank Sinatra sing about that?
No...Frank was a poor boy from New Jersey who didn't sing about crime and drugs. He bettered himself and was inspirational to millions of Americans. He uplifted people through his music and made people feel great about life and love. He didn't celebrate the thug life.


And even though I am much more of a liberal then a
> conservative I still hate it when I see people on here
> comparing a N/T personality like Sean Hanity to a diabolical
> monster like Adolf Hitler.

I actually haven't heard anyone compare Sean to Hitler...but OK. I'm glad I know about this now...starting RIGHT NOW I will no longer listen to Hannity...I will only tune into Kayne...everyday and every night...and perhaps after a few weeks of The Kayne Perspective my IQ will double.

>
>I'm very focused. I'm giving you examples of other types of
> music that you've never brought up.

Again, these other examples aren't related to this discussion.

All you keep saying is
> that Hip Hop is bad,

Ding!!! Another door prize! Yup, and I will continue to demonstrate my disgust for it.


> Same thing was said about the abovementioned artists.
> Your arguments are oftentimes one sided. So you might want
> to stay focused too smart boy.
>
A smart boy wins debates by sticking to his evidence...not by changing sides. If one could win a debate by swithching sides, perhaps we would be hearing..."I was for the Iraqi vote before I was against it" echoed from the chambers of the capital building.

> Yeah, you do that. you raise your anti Kanye West flag while
> the administration takes its sweet time in rescuing others.

I didn't know there was an anti Kayne flag!!!! Where do I sign up?

> FEMA failed, the governor and the mayor didn't do enough,
> and the president needed to do a lot more. So yeah, go ahead
> and focus on absurd remarks by Kanye West - I'll focus on
> the absurd results and reactions of the people this country
> put its trust in during the crisis.

I won't even go there...IT'S NOT RELATED TO THIS DISCUSSION.
>
> The problem here is that sadly you're not just a racist, but
> you're also a hypocrite.

No door prize on this one...you still haven't demonstrated HOW I am a racist...I have been trashing MUSIC...not people. And I believe I have shown evidence for ALL of my arguments...is THAT hypocritical?
>

 

[musicrrrr]

I was going to go your route on my next post...but now I don't have to!!! Thank you. I couldn't have said it any better...We have seen a double standard in this country for a LONG TIME and I'm glad I'm not the only one here who recognizes it!!


Since you are probably referring to me, let me enlighten you
> on this, don't even compare Frank, Dean or Elvis to this Rap
> product, not even on the same page. Rap/Hip Hop music is
> Racist Music, listen to Public Enemy and all the other trash
> rappers out there. Kill whitey, rape his sister, kill white
> pigs, this is not our country its whiteys, why go to war for
> whitey. Rob and take everything he has, and on and on, does
> this ever end, if these messages were not being Rapped out,
> what else would they have to Rap about, is there a Rap video
> out that praises whitey, doubt it, why all THIS HOSTILITY
> TOWARD THE WHITES AND ASIANS. This is just a sample of the
> trash coming out of this music, and the ignorant white burb
> kids enbarace it, without absorbing the lyrics. Don't even
> go to claiming Metal and Rock are racist, I never heard Ozzy
> say kill blacks or any other metal band attack African
> Americans or any other race, so what if they mention drugs,
> sex and rock and roll, it hurts no-one. Bottom line, Rap/HH
> are Racist, Rock is not. Mister West should of made his
> remarks in some Communist country about their leader, I know
> for damn sure he would of been no longer on this earth, he
> is one lucky punk. Check out the news tonight, I am sure
> there will be at least one story on how some riot broke out
> at a Rap concert or how some rap influenced drive by killed
> an innocent child, or how some big whig was gunned down by a
> rival record executive. Look at the hate on the faces of
> these people listening to this music on their headphones
> walking around in public, you think they won't pull a gun on
> you, wrong, the lyrics, beat and coke hop them up. Just the
> facts my friend, dispute if you wish, but you cannot change
> the truth. And we are not even touching on the adult version
> of rap messages on the airwaves, WHAT and WURD, same topics
> different presentation. Its called hate whitey radio, and
> the bias, unregulated, one-sided FCC is the blame. More of
> these stations are popping up all over the USA.
>

 

[BobAltimari]

> Now I've seen posters call the hip hop community and its
> style of music everything short of the N word on this board.
>
That comment was uncalled for, and once again, goes to show the mindset of people (not you in particular) who think that people that don't like rap are just racist.

> Why all the hostility?
>
Our problem is with everyone trying to forcefeed us this "music" for the sake of political correctness.

And, this whole "you'd like it if you give it a chance" mantra doesn't wash. Some folks will just have to accept that some do have different likes and dislikes, and such is the world. Yeah, wouldn't it be great if everyone were on the same page? That's called wiping out individualism.

> YES this market is Innudated with Urban music. (Hello its an
> URBAN market.) YES there is an ABSOLUTE lack of a decent
> full time rock station be it a classic, active or alt
> rocker. You just have MMR and MGK who we have all known for
> the longest times have VERY VERY similiar playlists. There
> is YSP who is gonna try and take on the hot talker fad from
> the big bosses at Infinity or CBS Radio as it is. It does
> have some music on the weekends and later on in the evening
> but how long that will last no one really knows.
>
> BUT this is not about rap music hurting our youth (the same
> people said the same things with your generation and its
> rock music as another poster has pointed out.) People like
> Kanye West are not ignorant and unintelligent as some other
> posters have tried to point out by using his song in titles
> and referencing it in other posts.
>
You're right...it's not. As far as this board goes, It seems if you're not lock, step and barrel with dance or hip hop or rap or what have you...it's because you're close-minded/racist/homophobe/whatever liberal stereotype you can produce. Again, its a general you and not singling one person out. Sure, it sounds like we're whining. We're really not, we just don't like rap. Why can't those who criticize let us be?

I will say that, for the most part, KlassikKountry should not become the spokesperson for the rock movement. I need to distance myself from his posts at times. But, at times, yeah, he will make a valid point.

Look, if we don't stand up for what we believe in....who's going to? Sure, for some, it would be nice if all the rockers were banned so that the convo could be to the Format duJour without anyone being called out on it. But, that in and of itself, is the same closemindedness that we, as rock fans, are accused of.

> I mean honestly this isn't even the gangsta rap of the early
> to mid nineties. Yet a select few posters on this board make
> My Humps out to be Cop Killer. I don't understand it. There
> are valid complaints out there. Half the stations in this
> market are TERRIBLE and its a MAJOR market. There are
> talentless jocks, tired bits and tight short playlists.

I agree. Barf-sky, in any normal world, would never find work again. He has a track record that does not show stability and has tanked every station he's been at. Moreover, its the radio industry as a whole...conglomeration has wiped variety from the face of modern day media.

> None
> of this is the fault of the hip hop community everyone seems
> to be placing the blame on. Hip hop music is being credited
> for the downfall of Philly radio and of community and family
> values on the whole. The problem is no one is listening to
> this. No one is seeing the intelligence that artists like
> Kanye, Black Star and Jay-Z can really display in their
> work. Instead it goes automatically to hip hop = crap.

We just want what everyone else wants....VARIETY! It's a condemnation of the radio industry as a whole.

As far as Philly goes, well....that's a different story, the current admin speaks volumes for itself everytime they show up in the news...or in court!

> I strive to think that there are good people in this world
> and this assault on hip hop on this board is not race
> related. But I fail to see how it isn't. It is a constant by
> many posters who seemingly go out of their way to put
> "white" music up and "black" music down. I never ever shut
> out any genre. For the longest time I was one of those I
> like everything but country people. I actually started
> listening to country. It aint bad. I'm a big fan of Big N
> Rich. I think if there wasn't so much prejudging about hip
> hop maybe even some of the older people would like it. But
> if it has a bass beat and no guitar it doesn't seem that
> they are interested.

Here's my personal story with rap...I saw it start. As it became more mainstream I didn't care for it too much. Now, as a 36 year old, I can't stand it. I'll take classic R&B over the modern day, thank you.

>
> I just wish people would stop making broad generalizations
> about an industry and art form and culture that *I* as a
> white suburban 20something who works in this industry holds
> very dear. Instead of tolerance we get by gummit there needs
> to be more Sianatra on the air. I love Frank. The chairman
> is irreplaceable I even have standards on my preset for XM.
> The reason it isn't there on your FM dial is its lack of
> money making ability. I don't think there are gigantic
> conspiracies. I just think that this is the what the radio
> brass around here think sells. If they weren't making money
> we all know they would change it.

I just wake up thinking (hoping) one day rap and hip hop will go the way of the big disco record-burning exhibitions of 1979-80.

> Everyone around this time of year wants to give peace a
> chance. I say those of you who backhand the hip hop genre
> constantly to give it a chance or at least change your
> argument up a little bit, it's tired.
>

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt....BURNED IT!!!

I hate rap/hip hop/dance...I love rock. Don't like it? Too bad! You think I'm a racist? That's your own personal biases catching up with you.

Once again, not you as an individual...more of a general, as I've pointed out before.<P ID="signature">______________
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[KlassikKountry]

Thanks again, problem is, THEY just do not get it, or maybe they don't care, its probably the "not on my block" theory, THEY will fight you to the death defending this noise. It just amazes me how all this other music, Country, Rock, Standards, Ethnic never bring race into the mix, and use it as a weapon. Catch a Rap video any time of the day or night and its the same hate message, and we all know what that is. If these people would spend a little time producing and releasing good positive music, instead of blaming certain ethnic backgrounds with holding them down, they would be on the right track. Why this music was ever released is beyond me, I guess money talks and the audiance that digs it spends the cash without thought. I would love to see Rap music stand the test of time like Rock, from the Beatles, Sabbath, AC/DC, Floyd, Priest, Crue to the tens of thousands of Rock bands who's music we still hear today, NWA in the music hall of fame...HA!!

 

[buzzrock]

Since you are probably referring to me, let me enlighten you
> on this, don't even compare Frank, Dean or Elvis to this Rap
> product, not even on the same page. Rap/Hip Hop music is
> Racist Music, listen to Public Enemy and all the other trash
> rappers out there. Kill whitey, rape his sister, kill white
> pigs, this is not our country its whiteys, why go to war for
> whitey. Rob and take everything he has, and on and on, does
> this ever end, if these messages were not being Rapped out,
> what else would they have to Rap about, is there a Rap video
> out that praises whitey, doubt it, why all THIS HOSTILITY
> TOWARD THE WHITES AND ASIANS. This is just a sample of the
> trash coming out of this music, and the ignorant white burb
> kids enbarace it, without absorbing the lyrics. Don't even
> go to claiming Metal and Rock are racist, I never heard Ozzy
> say kill blacks or any other metal band attack African
> Americans or any other race, so what if they mention drugs,
> sex and rock and roll, it hurts no-one. Bottom line, Rap/HH
> are Racist, Rock is not. Mister West should of made his
> remarks in some Communist country about their leader, I know
> for damn sure he would of been no longer on this earth, he
> is one lucky punk. Check out the news tonight, I am sure
> there will be at least one story on how some riot broke out
> at a Rap concert or how some rap influenced drive by killed
> an innocent child, or how some big whig was gunned down by a
> rival record executive. Look at the hate on the faces of
> these people listening to this music on their headphones
> walking around in public, you think they won't pull a gun on
> you, wrong, the lyrics, beat and coke hop them up. Just the
> facts my friend, dispute if you wish, but you cannot change
> the truth. And we are not even touching on the adult version
> of rap messages on the airwaves, WHAT and WURD, same topics
> different presentation. Its called hate whitey radio, and
> the bias, unregulated, one-sided FCC is the blame. More of
> these stations are popping up all over the USA.
>

I argee with this!

 

[CHRles]

> Thanks again, problem is, THEY just do not get it, or maybe
> they don't care, its probably the "not on my block" theory,
> THEY will fight you to the death defending this noise. It
> just amazes me how all this other music, Country, Rock,
> Standards, Ethnic never bring race into the mix, and use it
> as a weapon. Catch a Rap video any time of the day or night
> and its the same hate message, and we all know what that is.
> If these people would spend a little time producing and
> releasing good positive music, instead of blaming certain
> ethnic backgrounds with holding them down, they would be on
> the right track. Why this music was ever released is beyond
> me, I guess money talks and the audiance that digs it spends
> the cash without thought. I would love to see Rap music
> stand the test of time like Rock, from the Beatles, Sabbath,
> AC/DC, Floyd, Priest, Crue to the tens of thousands of Rock
> bands who's music we still hear today, NWA in the music hall
> of fame...HA!!

Personally I think a couple of NWA's albums were far better then any Black Sabath or Motley Crue album. The production, the lyrical intensity, the comedic interludes, the right/genius samples all displayed on NWA's albums. Motley Crue? just another Rock band that didn't revolutionize or say anthing. They were fun to listen to on cheesy songs like "Girls Girls Girls" (no different then a simple Hip Hop party song) or "Dr. Feelgood" (clever reference for a drug dealer), but nothing more.
I personally don't think NWA were as talented as the Beatles, but then again very few acts can hold a candle to the fab four.
Interesting to note though that Dr. Dre and Ice Cube whom both started in NWA, and both are still very big. Cube branched out into films, while Dre discovered Eminem, continues to do exceptionally well with productions, and is overseeing a record label.

Rappers are about rapping, not singing. Hence a crucial difference when comparing it to Rock music, or to Sinatra. I wonder if Sinatra would have been born today if he'd be able to become another Eminem, seeing as how Sinatra was born in a poor neighborhood too. Would he have the skills to rap and rhyme, b/c let's face it most young people today (his big fans were young when he started out) are just not looking for that Perry Como/Dean Martin sound.
Hip Hop lyrics don't always make sense, but they have a certain flow. This flow predates Rock music, and could have been heard in Jazz music. It actually predates that, and in some ways Rap's style goes back to centuries-old tribal chants. The whole call and response thing for example, you can definitely hear it in a lot of Hip Hop records.
Let's also not forget Rocks roots - it was invented by black people, not whites.

What's really funny is that my favorite types of music are not necessarily Hip Hop. I love Electronic/instrumental Dance music (House, Trance), Modern and Classic Rock, lots of 80s and 90s hits, some 60s and 70s Oldies, and some cool foreign music. From the Ska/Rock scene of Brazil to some J-Pop from Japan, to French Hip Hop and Rock ballads. On top of all that I like some of the Hip Hop and R&B you hear on the radio.
Guess what a lot of the music I enjoy is not available on my local FM dial, but that's still no excuse for me to bash Hip Hop, bash all the people who listen to it, and then bash black people in general. I don't like it's bastard child, Reggaeton, or some of the Dirty South Hip Hop. I'm also not a big fan of Country music, but you don't see me bashing it even though there are like 2000 to 3000 Country music stations in this country.

It's cool if you don't like Hip Hop, and I understand some of you being frustrated and disenfranchised by what FM radio is/isn't offering you. FM radio today is not what it was 20 years ago, or what radio was like 40 years ago. Peoples tastes change, and there are more people today enjoy listening to Hip Hop. Radio's natural response? More Hip Hop radio stations on the FM dial.

Here are the big Hip Hop records that Rhythmic radio played this year. Where's all this so called "hate whitey" reference?
http://www.radioandrecords.com/Formats/Charts/Rhy_Chart.asp
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by CHRles on 12/30/05 03:39 AM.</FONT></P>

 

[musicrrrr]

Our problem is with everyone trying to forcefeed us this "music" for the sake of political correctness.

Why you Anti-American, racist, homophobe...how CAN you say such hurtful things? Political correctness is what is SAVING America, and after Hillary is elected we will all hold hands and sing, "This Land Is Your Land."

You're right...it's not. As far as this board goes, It seems if you're not lock, step and barrel with dance or hip hop or rap or what have you...it's because you're close-minded/racist/homophobe/whatever liberal stereotype you can produce. Again, its a general you and not singling one person out. Sure, it sounds like we're whining. We're really not, we just don't like rap. Why can't those who criticize let us be?

Because you HATE black people if you HATE rap. You CANNOT advance your own ideals and principles...you must ALWAYS be worried about someone else who doesn't have the same advantages you do. You MUST NOT under any circumstances celebrate your own culture, educate yourself, or speak properly or dress professionally. If you do, you are a white supremecist who only exists to keep the black man down.

You haven't figured this out?

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt....BURNED IT!!!

I hate rap/hip hop/dance...I love rock. Don't like it? Too bad! You think I'm a racist? That's your own personal biases catching up with you.

You're going to hell for that one Bob. Everyone knows that Rock is noise, invented by the (BLEEP), to be played LOUDLY out of our pick-up trucks while we burn crosses on lawns to intimidate black people so that they are afraid to come into town and sit with us at the diner.

Rap music on the other hand...was created to educate us about the finer things in life...whitey is the root of all evil. We NEED rap music to remind us of how evil we are and how it is appropriate to kill all the cops, kill our white families so that black people can rule the world and make it a peaceful place for themselves to live.

I can't believe how prejudiced and hateful you are.

 

[BobAltimari]

LOL, too funny.



Uhhhhh, you are kidding, right?

> Our problem is with everyone trying to forcefeed us this
> "music" for the sake of political correctness.
>
> Why you Anti-American, racist, homophobe...how CAN you say
> such hurtful things? Political correctness is what is
> SAVING America, and after Hillary is elected we will all
> hold hands and sing, "This Land Is Your Land."
>

Hillary? Don't make me hurl....you do mean PRESIDENT RUDY!!!!!

> You're right...it's not. As far as this board goes, It seems
> if you're not lock, step and barrel with dance or hip hop or
> rap or what have you...it's because you're
> close-minded/racist/homophobe/whatever liberal stereotype
> you can produce. Again, its a general you and not singling
> one person out. Sure, it sounds like we're whining. We're
> really not, we just don't like rap. Why can't those who
> criticize let us be?
>
> Because you HATE black people if you HATE rap. You CANNOT
> advance your own ideals and principles...you must ALWAYS be
> worried about someone else who doesn't have the same
> advantages you do. You MUST NOT under any circumstances
> celebrate your own culture, educate yourself, or speak
> properly or dress professionally. If you do, you are a
> white supremecist who only exists to keep the black man
> down.
>
> You haven't figured this out?
>
> Been there, done that, got the t-shirt....BURNED IT!!!
>
> I hate rap/hip hop/dance...I love rock. Don't like it? Too
> bad! You think I'm a racist? That's your own personal biases
> catching up with you.
>
> You're going to hell for that one Bob. Everyone knows that
> Rock is noise, invented by the (BLEEP), to be played LOUDLY
> out of our pick-up trucks while we burn crosses on lawns to
> intimidate black people so that they are afraid to come into
> town and sit with us at the diner.
>
> Rap music on the other hand...was created to educate us
> about the finer things in life...whitey is the root of all
> evil. We NEED rap music to remind us of how evil we are and
> how it is appropriate to kill all the cops, kill our white
> families so that black people can rule the world and make it
> a peaceful place for themselves to live.
>
> I can't believe how prejudiced and hateful you are.
>

Either you are a brilliant satirist...'

or just a garden variety Radio-info smacked @$$ (one can only hope its the former)<P ID="signature">______________
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[danwxman]

> > Now I've seen posters call the hip hop community and its
> > style of music everything short of the N word on this
> board.
> >
> That comment was uncalled for, and once again, goes to show
> the mindset of people (not you in particular) who think that
> people that don't like rap are just racist.
>
> > Why all the hostility?
> >
> Our problem is with everyone trying to forcefeed us this
> "music" for the sake of political correctness.
>
> And, this whole "you'd like it if you give it a chance"
> mantra doesn't wash. Some folks will just have to accept
> that some do have different likes and dislikes, and such is
> the world. Yeah, wouldn't it be great if everyone were on
> the same page? That's called wiping out individualism.
>
> > YES this market is Innudated with Urban music. (Hello its
> an
> > URBAN market.) YES there is an ABSOLUTE lack of a decent
> > full time rock station be it a classic, active or alt
> > rocker. You just have MMR and MGK who we have all known
> for
> > the longest times have VERY VERY similiar playlists. There
>
> > is YSP who is gonna try and take on the hot talker fad
> from
> > the big bosses at Infinity or CBS Radio as it is. It does
> > have some music on the weekends and later on in the
> evening
> > but how long that will last no one really knows.
> >
> > BUT this is not about rap music hurting our youth (the
> same
> > people said the same things with your generation and its
> > rock music as another poster has pointed out.) People like
>
> > Kanye West are not ignorant and unintelligent as some
> other
> > posters have tried to point out by using his song in
> titles
> > and referencing it in other posts.
> >
> You're right...it's not. As far as this board goes, It seems
> if you're not lock, step and barrel with dance or hip hop or
> rap or what have you...it's because you're
> close-minded/racist/homophobe/whatever liberal stereotype
> you can produce. Again, its a general you and not singling
> one person out. Sure, it sounds like we're whining. We're
> really not, we just don't like rap. Why can't those who
> criticize let us be?
>
> I will say that, for the most part, KlassikKountry should
> not become the spokesperson for the rock movement. I need to
> distance myself from his posts at times. But, at times,
> yeah, he will make a valid point.
>
> Look, if we don't stand up for what we believe in....who's
> going to? Sure, for some, it would be nice if all the
> rockers were banned so that the convo could be to the Format
> duJour without anyone being called out on it. But, that in
> and of itself, is the same closemindedness that we, as rock
> fans, are accused of.
>
> > I mean honestly this isn't even the gangsta rap of the
> early
> > to mid nineties. Yet a select few posters on this board
> make
> > My Humps out to be Cop Killer. I don't understand it.
> There
> > are valid complaints out there. Half the stations in this
> > market are TERRIBLE and its a MAJOR market. There are
> > talentless jocks, tired bits and tight short playlists.
>
> I agree. Barf-sky, in any normal world, would never find
> work again. He has a track record that does not show
> stability and has tanked every station he's been at.
> Moreover, its the radio industry as a whole...conglomeration
> has wiped variety from the face of modern day media.
>
> > None
> > of this is the fault of the hip hop community everyone
> seems
> > to be placing the blame on. Hip hop music is being
> credited
> > for the downfall of Philly radio and of community and
> family
> > values on the whole. The problem is no one is listening to
>
> > this. No one is seeing the intelligence that artists like
> > Kanye, Black Star and Jay-Z can really display in their
> > work. Instead it goes automatically to hip hop = crap.
>
> We just want what everyone else wants....VARIETY! It's a
> condemnation of the radio industry as a whole.
>
> As far as Philly goes, well....that's a different story, the
> current admin speaks volumes for itself everytime they show
> up in the news...or in court!
>
> > I strive to think that there are good people in this world
>
> > and this assault on hip hop on this board is not race
> > related. But I fail to see how it isn't. It is a constant
> by
> > many posters who seemingly go out of their way to put
> > "white" music up and "black" music down. I never ever shut
>
> > out any genre. For the longest time I was one of those I
> > like everything but country people. I actually started
> > listening to country. It aint bad. I'm a big fan of Big N
> > Rich. I think if there wasn't so much prejudging about hip
>
> > hop maybe even some of the older people would like it. But
>
> > if it has a bass beat and no guitar it doesn't seem that
> > they are interested.
>
> Here's my personal story with rap...I saw it start. As it
> became more mainstream I didn't care for it too much. Now,
> as a 36 year old, I can't stand it. I'll take classic R&B
> over the modern day, thank you.
>
> >
> > I just wish people would stop making broad generalizations
>
> > about an industry and art form and culture that *I* as a
> > white suburban 20something who works in this industry
> holds
> > very dear. Instead of tolerance we get by gummit there
> needs
> > to be more Sianatra on the air. I love Frank. The chairman
>
> > is irreplaceable I even have standards on my preset for
> XM.
> > The reason it isn't there on your FM dial is its lack of
> > money making ability. I don't think there are gigantic
> > conspiracies. I just think that this is the what the radio
>
> > brass around here think sells. If they weren't making
> money
> > we all know they would change it.
>
> I just wake up thinking (hoping) one day rap and hip hop
> will go the way of the big disco record-burning exhibitions
> of 1979-80.
>
> > Everyone around this time of year wants to give peace a
> > chance. I say those of you who backhand the hip hop genre
> > constantly to give it a chance or at least change your
> > argument up a little bit, it's tired.
> >
>
> Been there, done that, got the t-shirt....BURNED IT!!!
>
> I hate rap/hip hop/dance...I love rock. Don't like it? Too
> bad! You think I'm a racist? That's your own personal biases
> catching up with you.
>
> Once again, not you as an individual...more of a general, as
> I've pointed out before.
>


I love how all these conservatives are coming out of the woodwork calling rap music "liberal" and that it's being forced down our throats as part of a "liberal agenda"....how dumb is that? It's not political! If anything, it's white conservatives who run the record labels and represent these musicians that are coming out and pushing the rap on our society.

 

[SCRHack]

Nah Bob I don't think you are and I appreciate your comments. If you don't like rap thats fine I got no qualms about it.

But I think a disco demolition night for rap aint happenin buddy.

 

[SCRHack]

> LOL, too funny.
>
>
>
> Uhhhhh, you are kidding, right?
>
SEE there is the problem! You have to wonder if he's kidding. Me I immeaditly think this man is insane