They preempted that for this?

[wbhist]

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(b) prior to completing the merger with CBS, more of Westinghouse's TV stations -- KYW-TV in both Cleveland and Philadelphia, WBZ-TV/4 Boston and WPCQ/36 Charlotte -- were NBC affiliates than with CBS (KPIX/5 San Francisco and KDKA-TV/2 Pittsburgh) or ABC (only WJZ-TV/13 Baltimore)...

Though Group W had disposed of WPCQ in 1984, only four years after acquiring it; and it became WCNC-TV in 1989. So at the point the merger was proposed, their properties only consisted of the five VHF's - KYW, WBZ, KPIX, KDKA and WJZ. From what I remember, they'd switched the last-named station to CBS out of pique over the way the Balto network affiliation switch of early 1995 (which saw WMAR-TV/2 switch from NBC to ABC) was handled.

 

[FightingIrish]

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The WWII docs were definitely on WEWS. Mork and Mindy was on WAKR. I remember watching it in the Cleveland suburbs with tons of static. I normally didn't watch 23 because of the reception, and 5 was the much stronger and local station.

Yeah, by "that show" I meant Mork and Mindy. I don't even remember WWII documentaries being on WEWS.

...perhaps Thames' The World at War? That was particularly successful in U.S. syndication at the time...

I'm sure that's what it was. The name sounds right.

 

[Ultimajock]

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The WWII docs were definitely on WEWS. Mork and Mindy was on WAKR. I remember watching it in the Cleveland suburbs with tons of static. I normally didn't watch 23 because of the reception, and 5 was the much stronger and local station.

Yeah, by "that show" I meant Mork and Mindy. I don't even remember WWII documentaries being on WEWS.

...perhaps Thames' The World at War? That was particularly successful in U.S. syndication at the time...

I'm sure that's what it was. The name sounds right.

... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59a_h6rGX3w is the opening of The World at War episode 16. Does that look like what you're thinking of?...

 

[Ultimajock]

Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

(b) prior to completing the merger with CBS, more of Westinghouse's TV stations -- KYW-TV in both Cleveland and Philadelphia, WBZ-TV/4 Boston and WPCQ/36 Charlotte -- were NBC affiliates than with CBS (KPIX/5 San Francisco and KDKA-TV/2 Pittsburgh) or ABC (only WJZ-TV/13 Baltimore)...

Though Group W had disposed of WPCQ in 1984, only four years after acquiring it; and it became WCNC-TV in 1989. So at the point the merger was proposed, their properties only consisted of the five VHF's - KYW, WBZ, KPIX, KDKA and WJZ. From what I remember, they'd switched the last-named station to CBS out of pique over the way the Balto network affiliation switch of early 1995 (which saw WMAR-TV/2 switch from NBC to ABC) was handled.

...I was speaking in terms of the companies' long-term history, not just the months prior to the completion of the merger...

 

[spencerkarter85]

Re: Most Inexplicable Network Program Pre-Emption

I was looking at the periodicals from the Spartanburg Herald-Journal from 1967-1968, guess what I've found out? WLOS-TV pre-empted "Dark Shadows" for "Dennis the Menance"! That means, Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville/Anderson viewers missed out on the B&W and early Color episodes of DS (especially the ones with Mitchell Ryan (replaced by the late Anthony George) as Burke Devlin, and the arrival of vampire Barnabas Collins and Angelique the witch). Fortunately, channel 13 cleared "Dark Shadows" in the spring 1968 just in time for the arrival of Quentin Collins (David Selby). Plus also on the "Ryan's Hope" pre-emption from the mid-late 1980s that also means GSP viewers missed out on the Tichina Arnold (of "Martin", "Everybody Hates Chris" fame, and currently on the TV Land series "Happily Divorced"). When "The Edge of Night" moved from CBS (which WSPA carried the show during the CBS years) to ABC, WLOS never cleared the show, that also means GSP viewers missed out on the ABC run of EON, especially the ones with Lori Laughlin, pre-"Desperate Housewife" Marsha Cross, and the late Joel Crothers as Dr. Miles Cavenaugh. WLOS ran syndicated programming instead.

On "Super Password" which GSP's NBC station WYFF passed on, it was seen instead on a one-day delay via independent WAXA-TV (now WMYA). Nearby markets, WIS-TV in Columbia, SC (on day-behind basis) and then-NBC station in Charleston, SC WCIV (sadly an ABC station) carried "Super Password" at its Noon Timeslot. Speaking of Charleston, SC. Then-ABC station WUSN-TV (now WCBD, affiliated with NBC) carried "Dark Shadows" during its entire run, but they didn't clear the late night version of "The Dick Cavett Show" in the late 1960s/early 1970s.

WLOS wasn't the only ABC affiliate to skip "The ABC Evening News" (WLOS did carry the late Peter Jennings' first stint as anchorman on ABC News in 1965-1967), I think then-ABC station WQXI-TV in Atlanta, GA (now NBC affiliate WXIA-TV) passed on "The ABC Evening News" in the late 1960s. Ironically, one of the ABC correspondents Tom Jarriel was born near Atlanta.

Other stations that pre-empted "Ryan's Hope" in the mid-late 1980s that I know were WFTV in Orlando, FL and I hate to say this WJZ-TV in Baltimore, MD dropped the show as well so they air the news at noon instead. The latter would become a CBS O&O. Also, then-NBC affiliate in Baltimore WMAR-TV (now ABC) passed on Johnny Carson's "Tonight Show" in the 1980s, so it was seen on independent stations WBFF and WNUV (owned by Sinclair) instead. Shame on you WMAR for passing on Carson in the 80s.

In Charlotte, "NBC Nightly News" wasn't shown from 1982 til it was cleared in 1985 on WPCQ (now WCNC). That means Queen City viewers missed out on Tom Brokaw's first years as anchor and the one with Roger Mudd too unless they picked it up on WXII-TV (Winston-Salem, NC), WFBC/WYFF (Greenville, SC) or WIS-TV (Columbia, SC) over the air.

And finally, WYFF will delay or pre-empt its NBC programming on September 15th for their "Chronicle" specials.

 

[BobbyNBC10]

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KCRA 3 Sacramento-Stockton did not carry the last 18 months of $ale Of The Century on NBC because of Hour Magazine which also meant no Classic Concentration until 9/1989. Also ,when I first got here in 6/1983, 3 bumped Dream House for Tic Tac Dough which 3 got in Fall 1982 from KOVR-TV 13, then an ABC station (TTD's companion The Joker's Wild went to KRBK-TV (now KMAX CW 31! now co-owned ironically by CBS with KOVR before coming back to KOVR in Fall 1983 ,after an earlier stint at KOVR, and stints at 3 and 10,including the CBS 1972-75 run). After The New Battlestars got axed Dream House aired at 11 after TTD and before SOTC. When the short lived Go! debuted in Fall 1983 ,Dream House was not seen again in Sacramento. KCRA carried the continuing story of Another World off and on sending it to KSCH TV(now KQCA My 58),due to syndicated shows like Gaeraldo.

KXTV 10,then CBS axed The Price Is Right breifly for Joan Rivers in 19991-92, but public outcry put back Bob Barker and the beauties back and froze Guiding Light out of Sacramento never to be seen again on KXTV 10 or now CBS station KOVR 13.

 

[BobbyNBC10]

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When KCRA had Giants or A's baseball many NBC shows were bumped to weekends or not shown until reruns later in the season. Nowadays, CW 31 when they have the Giants in primetime, CW shows are shown after game or afte ET and The insider.

 

[spencerkarter85]

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Earlier tonight, WYFF 4 delayed the first hour of NBC programming to show their newsmagazine "Chronicle". Guess what the delayed programs showed up on at? 12:35am, that means "Late Night with Jimmy Fallon" was pre-empted in GSP earlier tonight. Not cool.

 

[spencerkarter85]

Do your station still pre-empts network shows for local sports?

In Columbia, South Carolina viewers missed an new episode of 30 Rock along with other NBC Thursday Night shows because WIS-TV 10 pre-empted it for College Basketball. I've checked to see it they carried it on one of their subchannels as a substitute (just like WIS' sister station CBS' WCSC in Charleston did when they broadcast college baskettball on 5.1 while CBS programs bumped to 5.2), nothing. I've felt sorry for viewers in Columbia missing this weeks episode of 30 Rock (unless they have the web and watch it online officially). I like to ask you a question.

Do your local station (of the big four networks ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX) still pre-empts network programming for local sporting events like ACC Basketball for example?

I had this thought when I was searching for schedules for my local ABC channel (WLOS 13) in GSP market. That they delayed the ABC Daytime line-up (for ACC Basktetball) after Kimmel and pre-empted Friday's World News Now. Then again, pre-empting ABC Daytime shows on Friday, and prime-time too (some programs are bumped into late-nights), and pre-empting The Revolution and Friday's General Hospital which means soap opera fans are freaking-out (since Soaps are decling these days and unless they watch it on SoapNet which soon to go off the air unforuntately. Also WLOS's sister channel in the market WMYA 40 (MNT) delays MyNetworkTV programming to late nights for College and Local Sports as well.

I've heard that non network O&Os aren't alone for pre-empting programs. Here's the examples, KNTV (NBC O&O in Bay Area) pre-empts NBC shows for SF Giants baseball games OTA while the pre-empted NBC shows are seen instead on ex-NBC now MNT KRON 4. Another example in 2010, WABC 7 (NYC ABC O&O) pre-empted ABC Kids (Litton's Weekend Adventure's predeccesor) for 9/11 special. or WNBC 4 (NBC O&O in NYC) pre-empts NBC programs for NYC Marathons.

 

[EricStein]

Re: Do your station still pre-empts network shows for local sports?

I believe KGW-TV in Portland, OR still pre-empts NBC shows for an occasional Trailblazers game.

Don't forget a lot of network affiliates air pre-season NFL football in August (but, that's TV's off-season anyway).

 

[ShawnHill1]

Re: Do your station still pre-empts network shows for local sports?

Not a Big-Four network station, but of course, there's WGN-TV; although most of their sports telecasts are usually concentrated to the weekends and some weekdays (in the case of the Cubs), it's probably once a week or every other week that CW programming gets bumped to late nights or weekends.

In a lot of these larger markets, you won't see many primetime pre-emptions on the network stations, and it's part of a reason why you see live local/regional sporting events air exclusively on cable and satellite.

 

[spencerkarter85]

Re: Do your station still pre-empts network shows for local sports?

Greenville, SC is in the top 50 market (Nielsen's DMA I meant) #36. Columbia, SC is #79 and not in the top 50.

 

[bpatrick]

Re: Do your station still pre-empts network shows for local sports?

Both of my CBS affiliates, WFMY and WRAL, pre-empt for ACC
basketball; both of them are pre-empting for the ACC tournament
this week. Whenever there's an ACC game in primetime, tournament
or regular season, WFMY will air the pre-empted network show on
delay at some ungodly hour like 1:37 AM. I've known WFMY to air
pre-empted episodes of CBS's soaps between 5 and 7 AM on Saturday
and Sunday, and sometimes at noon Saturday ("Y&R" has usually been
the soap of choice for that slot, since it's the most popular). But that
was when "As The World Turns" and "Guiding Light" were still on the air;
I don't know if Channel 2 plans to air the pre-empted episodes of "The
Talk" and "Let's Make A Deal."

WRAL had to join one of CBS's games in progress last Saturday, since
it was in the middle of an ACC game; the network game started on
5-2 and moved over to 5-1 when the ACC game ended.

 

[spencerkarter85]

Re: Do your station still pre-empts network shows for local sports?

On now-defunct Guiding Light, Sacramento's then-CBS affiliate KXTV (now ABC) dropped it in 1992, and when KXTV and KOVR swapped in 1995, KOVR refused to do the same thing and even as a CBS O&O. Pretty uncommon for a network O&O station not clearing a show broadcast by their network. Fox's Weekend Marketplace, different story.

Congress, the NAB, and the FCC screwed us on the SHVERA and later STELA laws on distant network feeds. It would be nice if they let us watch network programming (ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX from NYC East/LA West) on like DirecTV for example on satellite incase of a local station pre-empts it for local or nonsense stuff. But never happen to satellite subs.

 

[Mario500]

Re: Do your station still pre-empts network shows for local sports?

WEAR-TV in Pensacola, Florida has been delaying "Nightline" from ABC by 30 minutes or 60 minutes since as early as 1984. In recent years, the station would delay the program by 60 minutes every Friday during the high school football season to broadcast "Prep Football Final", a local program produced by the station about local football games between high school teams.

 

[FreddyE1977]

Re: Do your station still pre-empts network shows for local sports?

Virtually all local sports coverage in Pittsburgh has shifted over to our
RSN, Root Sports. No Pirate or Penguin games are shown on local broadcast
stations any longer.

The only thing that may cause a pre-emption would be some Steeler pre-season
games shown on KDKA-TV2.

 

[Maine-i-ac]

Re: Do your station still pre-empts network shows for local sports?

In the Bangor Maine market, WABI-5.1 (CBS) and 5.2 (CW) regularly pre-empt for University of Maine sports. It seems to go like this. If the game is not on when the CW has their primetime lineup (8-10p) it will show up on the CW. When it is on then, it goes to 5.1. And whatever CBS network show is pre-empted, it will be shown at 1:35 a.m. after Letterman and Ferguson. There are exceptions to this rule. But generally, that's how it works.

 

[Wright County Guy]

Re: Do your station still pre-empts network shows for local sports?

Sadly, no. In Minneapolis/St. Paul, the Timberwolves (!) were the last team to be over the air, on MYNet WFTC/29. Twins and the Wild left for cable only the previous year.

Now if I want to hunt down the Wolves, or WIld, or Gopher Hockey, I have to go out to Channel 980 for Fox Sports' Alternate Universe Channel of Doom. Ususally not worth the trip. :

 

[borderblaster]

Re: Do your station still pre-empts network shows for local sports?

Survivor fans in Dayton Ohio regularly have cows when WHIO covers University of Dayton basketball. They don't move Survivor to 7.2, I don't know if that's prohibited by network contract. Seems like i would partially solve the issue.

 

[Iowan]

Re: Do your station still pre-empts network shows for local sports?

The Iowa wrestling playoffs are on "The Quad Cities' CW" as I write this. Also, THIS Quad Cities is also pre-empting regular programming for Illinois tournaments (for the first time ever). And recently, WBQD pre-empted 'Burn Notice' for what looks like will be the only Iowa State basketball telecast (at least around here...)