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They said it wouldn't last....

No knocking heritage.....but something new has got to give, because we will all be somewhere in our late 60's/early 70's when the 50th anniversary happens and if the same artists are STILL performing with nothing new, then what's the point of saying this was "lasting" when in effect our music "died" a while back ago.

Just a thought.....
 
Died in what sense? Because it's not on commercial radio?

The music lived on despite being pulled off radio back in 92.It simply went back to the underground and when the internet took in the mid 90's freestyle fans from around the country had a chance to stay on top of what was out.I remember calling stations that played freestyle back in 92 and being told that "Hispanics didn't like freestyle anymore". I first thought why is it being typecast as Hispanic only music and what planet was he living on?Now,we have countless I stations dedicated to playing freestyle old and new.

Who would have thought that in 2010 these artists would be on stage singing these songs.I think they earned it and it's a testament to the staying power of these songs. And not to compare but freestyle artists get 10 times more work than any current U.S. house artist out there.Now,how can that be?
 
I guess you could say it [freestyle] did better than UK 2 Step. While the UK Garage people "cry" on their forums about how UK 2 Step died and receives no more radio play or attention, at least some American stations are still playing the old school freestyle and it is still somewhat knwon enough to keep concerts going. What's weird is that unlike American freestyle forums and supporters, The UK people are more united and supportive, yet the freestyle sound in America seems to be stronger than the UK 2 Step sound in London to some degree. Not only that, but also unlike UK 2 Step, we still have freestyle elements being heavily used in American (and even some UK) mainstream hit music productions. I have yet to hear any top 40 hits that sound like UK 2 Step.. but then again, I guess you can somewhat blame that on the death of the late 90's style futuristic Timbaland beats and the return of the boring, simple, "even a 3 year old can do it with their hands" style beats of today's music.

Out of all places, I'd say the German freestyle community is the most gracious, acceptive, and supportive of the sound.

Lastly, I'd say the most successful dance sound was house. Not sure how this came to be or why, but that production style has outlasted and has been pretty much out-dominating and pushing every other dance style to the sidelines of popularity for years now. Trance itself is really nothing more than a different style of house, and even today's UK Garage consists mainly of house style productions.
 
Morpheux said:
Died in what sense? Because it's not on commercial radio?

The music lived on despite being pulled off radio back in 92.It simply went back to the underground and when the internet took in the mid 90's freestyle fans from around the country had a chance to stay on top of what was out.I remember calling stations that played freestyle back in 92 and being told that "Hispanics didn't like freestyle anymore". I first thought why is it being typecast as Hispanic only music and what planet was he living on?Now,we have countless I stations dedicated to playing freestyle old and new.

Who would have thought that in 2010 these artists would be on stage singing these songs.I think they earned it and it's a testament to the staying power of these songs. And not to compare but freestyle artists get 10 times more work than any current U.S. house artist out there.Now,how can that be?

Granted, freestyle is VERY underground now. If anything, I actually played TWO artists with new material on my show this past Sunday.

But NO disrespect to the artists that have set the foundations for the legacy that is freestyle. I don't think THEY could imagine 25 years ago that they would STILL be singing those songs. Judy Torres admitted that on my interview show. For everyone involved, I'm proud of them. :) A lot of the artists in freestyle I consider my friends so if they are still doing it, then God bless and continued luck :)

It's a weird sort of "crossroads" in a way because while those artists are still doing shows, it's because of the very underground nature of freestyle that nothing new has really arisen, even without the radio play, that would allow the music to "morph" into the next generation.

There have been arguments about it (no good quality new music, it doesn't sound ANYTHING like what we're used to, etc.) Yes, freestyle has been around all these years but without a "torch" to carry the sound forward then for the 50th anniversary, you'll have us in our 60's & 70's with our children at the casino (since they are our "ride", lol) with those artists and nothing new. I suppose it works for doo-wop but just as anything else, with nothing to keep things refreshed, the sound "dies". Let's think of it this way, no one is listening to music made in 1910...that generation is 99% gone.

And since you brought the comparison up. Freestyle artists do have their concert appearances here and make the money. But if you are going to compare it to work, house artists here make their big money OVER THERE (the other side of the world). They are in high demand in places like London, Amsterdam, Paris, Ibiza, Germany, Italy, Poland, Romania, Hungary, Russia as well as emerging clubbing areas in Asia (Shanghai, China for one). They do the clubs here in NYC, Miami and L.A. but house music is more universal than freestyle. Granted, there ARE freestyle fans in Europe but the demand of it is very low in comparison.

Sorry for the length.
 
KDM 7000 said:
Lastly, I'd say the most successful dance sound was house. Not sure how this came to be or why, but that production style has outlasted and has been pretty much out-dominating and pushing every other dance style to the sidelines of popularity for years now. Trance itself is really nothing more than a different style of house, and even today's UK Garage consists mainly of house style productions.

Simple reason....house music is really "disco evolved".

Disco had that strong grip on everyone in the 70's and early 80's. When that sound "died" and received negative "stereotypes" to it, the media steered clear though the core fans still existed.

House music came at that right time in the mid 80's. It had that "European" flair with that Italo dance aspect in there, mixed in with that soulful "Philly Sound". People never forgot and for those fans that liked disco, making the transition to house was easy. At the very least they were open-minded to it. And it was based here....Chicago. Europe, remembering the disco sounds, embraced house right off the bat. Through house came techno (Detroit's "answer" that eventually took a life of its own). Trance eventually came down as an off shoot.

Yet, and I'm glad it's brought up here under "freestyle", house music NEVER called themselves "disco". There may be a "Nu Disco" offshoot happening now but for the most part house music is what it is, house music. And if freestyle is going to continue to that next generation, that sound has to be reinvented and not called "freestyle".

It's not hate...I want to see things progress. But it can't if people love what was classic and are holding things back for what could be potential progress to the "Gen Y" generation.
 
Tony Santiago said:
KDM 7000 said:
Lastly, I'd say the most successful dance sound was house. Not sure how this came to be or why, but that production style has outlasted and has been pretty much out-dominating and pushing every other dance style to the sidelines of popularity for years now. Trance itself is really nothing more than a different style of house, and even today's UK Garage consists mainly of house style productions.

Simple reason....house music is really "disco evolved".

Disco had that strong grip on everyone in the 70's and early 80's. When that sound "died" and received negative "stereotypes" to it, the media steered clear though the core fans still existed.

House music came at that right time in the mid 80's. It had that "European" flair with that Italo dance aspect in there, mixed in with that soulful "Philly Sound". People never forgot and for those fans that liked disco, making the transition to house was easy. At the very least they were open-minded to it. And it was based here....Chicago. Europe, remembering the disco sounds, embraced house right off the bat. Through house came techno (Detroit's "answer" that eventually took a life of its own). Trance eventually came down as an off shoot.

Yet, and I'm glad it's brought up here under "freestyle", house music NEVER called themselves "disco". There may be a "Nu Disco" offshoot happening now but for the most part house music is what it is, house music. And if freestyle is going to continue to that next generation, that sound has to be reinvented and not called "freestyle".

It's not hate...I want to see things progress. But it can't if people love what was classic and are holding things back for what could be potential progress to the "Gen Y" generation.

I have to admit on this one...Very well stated Tony...Very Very Well Stated. :)
 
TS:
I made the comparison between the work freestyle artists get in the US versus House artists to level the playing field. I'm aware that House is more in demand worldwide. But it does speak volumes that Freestyle artists get more gigs than current U.S. House artists on average.

I've always been an advocate of the freestyle sound evolving and have preached that on the freestyle boards and some artists began to move in a different direction as a result.

Would you considered these two songs a progression of the freestyle sound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J6OOnhmzf0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo9STsOrZJY
 
I saw this video posted elsewhere along with some comments,

"Christina Marie ft Ro "Missing you" she has it on www.youtube.com although not freestyle, its a good song."

I'm sure when Christina Marie did the song, she did have freestyle in mind to some degree, although the overall production is not really traditional freestyle and actually matches the pop/r&b category than it does the no name music category. I can't guarantee that Christina Marie meant for it to contain freestyle elements, but I think that was her intention. I'll ask her and see what she says.

The TKA song COULD be a modernization of freestyle. Introduce it on the German freestyle boards and you'll get love. Introduce it on the American freestyle boards and you'll get arguments or debates. The TKA fits the no name sound more than it does pop/r&b, so I guess that means it could've been a modernization of freestyle in an ideal world. I believe songs like "you are" by Manny Stylez, "down" by Jay Sean, this TKA song, "beautiful" by Akon, "can u stop the rain" (south mix) by Stephanie Bennett and even "I Like" by Keri Hilson are all modernizations of freestyle. Not sure about "check it out" by Will-i-am and "You ain't got it" by Nina Sky, but surely yes to Colby O Donis "what you got"...
 
I also remember when freestyle "tried to go breakbeat" in the early to mid 00's. That whole phase, along with the trancy breakbeat phase, surely didn't last long...

Today's no name music; When I first heard stuff like "Boom Boom Pow" or "right now (na na na)", it took me a while to get used to it because "it wasn't normal" to me (how the production arrangements and sounds were done. The same with when poker face and if u seek amy on the electro-pop dance side of things. This new generation sound is surely different from freestyle and even old school dance in many ways... and if we do come up with a new term for modern freestyle sounds, would we use it to also include modern booty bass, or will "the booty bass community" ;D have to come up with their own name "cuz freestyle ain't sharin'"?
 
"Sexy Lady" is definitely not freestyle, unlike his first release called "lets get away". We at Legends of Freestyle do play / feature many of these freestyle artists' new freestyle and non freestyle tracks Wednesdays and every Sunday evening. They still do freestyle and still have a lot of love for freestyle during their interviews at L.O.F., but they also like to do pop, reggaeton, and house tracks very often as well. Many of them are jumping on the new electro-pop trend when it comes to the songs they are trying to push, but also have new freestyle tracks as well.

Two of my favorite recent freestyle productions / releases are the ones by Magicus and Sammy Zone (Produced by the one & only Carlos Berrios)

Sammy Zone "running" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USr60Kh2WL8

Magicus "can't live without you" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q6YySKKlGk

They both are also doing new tracks. I personally prefer the Sammy Zone one even though I think Magicus is the more well known one in the (somewhat hardcore or mostly knowledgeable) freestyle community. Magicus's track has a nice melody and flow, but the Sammy Zone one just has a lot going on and "bumps" more, I think.

Coro "Lets get away" is one precise example of how new school freestyle should be done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stXdjbZErlM
 
Morpheux said:
TS:
I made the comparison between the work freestyle artists get in the US versus House artists to level the playing field. I'm aware that House is more in demand worldwide. But it does speak volumes that Freestyle artists get more gigs than current U.S. House artists on average.

I've always been an advocate of the freestyle sound evolving and have preached that on the freestyle boards and some artists began to move in a different direction as a result.

Would you considered these two songs a progression of the freestyle sound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J6OOnhmzf0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo9STsOrZJY

YES!

And going on to other threads, I DID play Coro's "Sexy Lady", TKA "Set It Off", Sammy Zone "Running", Magicus "Can't Live Without You" and I'll add NV "U Don't Know" on my show. If Chrstina Marie's people give me the "ok", I'll spin it on my show too!

But I HAVE noticed the pattern....the "rhythmic" flow that's popular in today's music. It's just a matter of getting to those 20 something's somehow as well as "traditionalists" NOT bashing the new sound. In that sense, using Coro as the example, people should be as equally supportive of him with "Sexy Lady" as it was with "Where Are You Tonight", etc and not criticize that he's "changed". Artists HAVE to progress....and while I think it's "too late" for the first generation audience of freestyle, I think for the "Gen Y", this could be the start...just needs more exposure.
 
DJ_Perry said:
I receive emails from Digital World Promotions, and they are promoting these new tracks:

TKA – Set It Off
Coro – Sexy Lady

In addition, they have noted that they are NOT freestyle releases. I'm not sure how much attention they'll get, but apparently trying to appeal to that genre is not in their interest.

I was disappointed that the Coro track was expected to be played, but sent at only 128 kbps. Also, now that I think of it, I wonder why they had to note that it wasn't freestyle? Was it a heads up to freestyle fans who were also music directors somewhere to avoid disappointing them, OR was it possibly in hopes of gaining more attention and consideration for play, even outside of the freestyle friendly (terrestrial/internet) stations? Does labeling things "freestyle" still hurt potential releases today like it did in the past?
 
KDM 7000 said:
I was disappointed that the Coro track was expected to be played, but sent at only 128 kbps. Also, now that I think of it, I wonder why they had to note that it wasn't freestyle? Was it a heads up to freestyle fans who were also music directors somewhere to avoid disappointing them, OR was it possibly in hopes of gaining more attention and consideration for play, even outside of the freestyle friendly (terrestrial/internet) stations? Does labeling things "freestyle" still hurt potential releases today like it did in the past?

It only hurts for today because the music in itself was never really able to evolve; with the core fans expecting that 80s/early 90's sound and not open up to ANYTHING ELSE. That's why artists like Coro are having trouble.

Artists like him WANT to show that they are more multi-faceted musically than just freestyle. Judy Torres and George Lamond were able to pull through that. But then you have Coro and other artists that are trying but aren't getting the recognition. I did give these tracks a spin, but still it's that "mentality" that not only shuts them, but somehow not allowing that NEXT generation of fans (those who are in their 20's now) to open up to a new sound.

Once again, just my opinion....
 
Here's a perfect example of a German group who did justice to a freestyle remake. I know that Pulse 87 played this during the summer. Not sure if anyone else gave it spins. It's DJ Size ft. J. Lourenzo & Big Steve - In My Eyes on SONY. It helps that it's on a major label for exposure. Oh yea,I can do without the rap. Still,it's a good remake that works for today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1lzjdui-w
 
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