Things I never got about WINS and WCBS...

[Julius Leonard Marx]

The NY market today does not include any counties shared with another market.

New York MSA includes:

Nassau and Suffolk Counties, NY (Nassau-Suffolk)
Middlesex, Somerset and Union Counties, NY (Middlesex-Somerset-Union)
Monmouth County, NY (Monmouth-Ocean)

Not sure of this but I have a vague recollection that Rockland, Westchester and Fairfield (part of the New York MSA) were once also a designated market.

 

[davideduardo]

The NY market today does not include any counties shared with another market.

New York MSA includes:

Nassau and Suffolk Counties, NY (Nassau-Suffolk)
Middlesex, Somerset and Union Counties, NY (Middlesex-Somerset-Union)
Monmouth County, NY (Monmouth-Ocean)

Not sure of this but I have a vague recollection that Rockland, Westchester and Fairfield (part of the New York MSA) were once also a designated market.

These markets are not separate... they are part of the NY MSA, but due to interest from broadcasters in each area in havin a smaller break-out, Arbitron created embedded markets in each case. All are subsets of the NY MSA. Another set of examples of embedded markets are Santa Rosa and San Jose, CA. Both are embedded in the San Francisco market, and published as separate books, too.

In fact, Suffolk is a sub-sub-set, being a subset of Nassau-Suffolk which is a subset of NY. The only reason Arbitron does embedded market breakouts is that they get money for it. Embedded markets are just breakouts of a larger market, not separate markets.

 

[KML0224]

Strange thing here in Connecticut. I believe the thing with Fairfield County that was mentioned was Stamford/Norwalk being it's own market for radio while both are with New York City for TV.

My radio market is Hartford/New Britain/Middletown. New Haven is its own separate radio market from Hartford, but is with us in terms of TV.

Getting back to WCBS and WINS...I get WCBS-AM 880 just fine here during the day, thanks to their tower placement and the salt water of Long Island Sound. WINS-AM 1010 is a struggle to pick up at most times. At night, they dart back and forth with CFRB-AM 1010 from Toronto.

 

[ITC Delta]

This just in:

David Eduardo knows everything If that's the case, why so many car donation and cancer treatment ads on both stations???

Why doe's Gary Stanley's "Equity Now" spot never gets updated for as much as it airs???? C'mon man!

 

[Julius Leonard Marx]

Getting back to WCBS and WINS...I get WCBS-AM 880 just fine here during the day, thanks to their tower placement and the salt water of Long Island Sound. WINS-AM 1010 is a struggle to pick up at most times. At night, they dart back and forth with CFRB-AM 1010 from Toronto.

Even when they weren't co-owned, WINS seemed to target the city; WCBS the 'burbs. It's most obvious in the traffic reports but also in story selection. I used to hear people say CBS was The Times, WINS was The Daily News.

 

[HighDef]

Yes...and it shows when city press conferences are aired on WINS but not on 'CBS. Can't help with the car donation ads though

 

[DG02816]

KML,

The reason you have WINS and CFRB duking it out is that in exhange for some loosening of their patterns, each allowed the other an area of mutual interference.