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thinkingman

The other day, and without warning, I was assaulted by a local pop music station and I heard the following lyrics: (I looked them up on the Internet for the sake of an accurate recounting here.)

"I wanna unbutton your pants just a lil bit/Take 'em off pull em down just a lil bit/Get to kissin' and touchin' a lil bit/Get to lickin' and f***ing a lil bit"

And I wondered to myself if parents would rather have their kids hearing that, or Sean Hannity on WHP 580. I concluded that I'd rather expose my children to opinion and debate. I challenge anyone on this message board to outline for me the cultural, intellectual, or societal value of the above lyrics, which reach young persons multiple times per day. I am, quite frankly, disappointed that popular music has disintegrated to this point, where it is nigh impossible to find a shred of artistic or musical content, and equally disappointed that the program directors of pop music stations have said not one word regarding the obvious impact and influence their product have on today's youth.

I am not naive to the long history of an elder generation griping about the popular music enjoyed by a younger generation, but the plain and simple fact is that music has been an identifying characteristic of each generation, reflecting beliefs, attitudes, and philosophies. I am hard-pressed to recall a more blatant and depraved declaration of values than the ones communicated by songs such as the one transcribed above. It is synchronized, not coincidentally, with increasingly bleak statistics regarding teenage pregnancy, single parenthood, attitudes toward women and authority, and violence. The big question is, of course, which spawned which? Answering that question will provide real evidence of any alleged "artistic merit" of today's pop music.

Bottom line: I'd rather have my kids bored by Rush Limbaugh than dumbed-down and tempted by the stories composed by 50 Cent. Your thoughts?
 
> The other day, and without warning, I was assaulted by a
> local pop music station and I heard the following lyrics:
> (I looked them up on the Internet for the sake of an
> accurate recounting here.)
>
> "I wanna unbutton your pants just a lil bit/Take 'em off
> pull em down just a lil bit/Get to kissin' and touchin' a
> lil bit/Get to lickin' and f***ing a lil bit"
>
> And I wondered to myself if parents would rather have their
> kids hearing that, or Sean Hannity on WHP 580. I concluded
> that I'd rather expose my children to opinion and debate. I
> challenge anyone on this message board to outline for me the
> cultural, intellectual, or societal value of the above
> lyrics, which reach young persons multiple times per day. I
> am, quite frankly, disappointed that popular music has
> disintegrated to this point, where it is nigh impossible to
> find a shred of artistic or musical content, and equally
> disappointed that the program directors of pop music
> stations have said not one word regarding the obvious impact
> and influence their product have on today's youth.
>
> I am not naive to the long history of an elder generation
> griping about the popular music enjoyed by a younger
> generation, but the plain and simple fact is that music has
> been an identifying characteristic of each generation,
> reflecting beliefs, attitudes, and philosophies. I am
> hard-pressed to recall a more blatant and depraved
> declaration of values than the ones communicated by songs
> such as the one transcribed above. It is synchronized, not
> coincidentally, with increasingly bleak statistics regarding
> teenage pregnancy, single parenthood, attitudes toward women
> and authority, and violence. The big question is, of
> course, which spawned which? Answering that question will
> provide real evidence of any alleged "artistic merit" of
> today's pop music.
>
> Bottom line: I'd rather have my kids bored by Rush Limbaugh
> than dumbed-down and tempted by the stories composed by 50
> Cent. Your thoughts?

yeah 50 cent aint worth a half a cent. he is hip hop's answer to being a total loser like t.o. is to the eagles on the nfl. what happened to the good old school hip hop like ll cool j, cameo, run dmc etc?
>
 
> The other day, and without warning, I was assaulted by a
> local pop music station and I heard the following lyrics:
> (I looked them up on the Internet for the sake of an
> accurate recounting here.)
>
> "I wanna unbutton your pants just a lil bit/Take 'em off
> pull em down just a lil bit/Get to kissin' and touchin' a
> lil bit/Get to lickin' and f***ing a lil bit"
>
> And I wondered to myself if parents would rather have their
> kids hearing that, or Sean Hannity on WHP 580. I concluded
> that I'd rather expose my children to opinion and debate. I
> challenge anyone on this message board to outline for me the
> cultural, intellectual, or societal value of the above
> lyrics, which reach young persons multiple times per day. I
> am, quite frankly, disappointed that popular music has
> disintegrated to this point, where it is nigh impossible to
> find a shred of artistic or musical content, and equally
> disappointed that the program directors of pop music
> stations have said not one word regarding the obvious impact
> and influence their product have on today's youth.
>
> I am not naive to the long history of an elder generation
> griping about the popular music enjoyed by a younger
> generation, but the plain and simple fact is that music has
> been an identifying characteristic of each generation,
> reflecting beliefs, attitudes, and philosophies. I am
> hard-pressed to recall a more blatant and depraved
> declaration of values than the ones communicated by songs
> such as the one transcribed above. It is synchronized, not
> coincidentally, with increasingly bleak statistics regarding
> teenage pregnancy, single parenthood, attitudes toward women
> and authority, and violence. The big question is, of
> course, which spawned which? Answering that question will
> provide real evidence of any alleged "artistic merit" of
> today's pop music.
>
> Bottom line: I'd rather have my kids bored by Rush Limbaugh
> than dumbed-down and tempted by the stories composed by 50
> Cent. Your thoughts?
>


Or you could turn the radio off and have them read a book in the car perhaps?
 
PRODUCTION ORDER

[X] Produce
[ ] Dub
[ ] Email from: _________
[ ] DGS
[ ] EDAS on starguide unit: __________

Cart: #1615

1 x :60

V1: You know, I'm sick and tired of the nonsense you hear on those rap stations.

V2: You said it. F-this, ho bag that, bling bling yo yo.

V1: Fo sho. Teeheehee. I wish there was something more exciting or even educational.

V2: Have you forgotten about A-M radio? The thing that started it all?

V1: A-M radio? What's that?

V2: Well, switch the band from F-M to A-M and enjoy the fun--it's free and included with most modern radios. During the night you can even hear stations THOUSANDS of miles away!

V1: No kidding...but what about the programming?

V2: You'll hear some music, like our friends at A-M one thousand W-I-O-O, but you can also get stimulating talk which discusses the issues.

V1: Oh, but I hate how most talk stations are one sided. The station is always pro-this or con-that.

V2: No way! Listen to A-M nine sixty W-H-Y-L for diversity in talk radio.

V1: A-M nine sixty?

V2: A-M nine sixty. W-H-Y-L. THE talk station.
--------------------------------------------------

I hope this meets my weekly sarcastic post quota....randy gross is my hero.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
Yo Thizzle! Fo Shizzle!

From the window, to the walls.

3 6 9 (Note multiples of three.... Which is a prime number)

B-A-N-A-N-A-S

I'm like it's better than yours....

Down Skeet Skeet Skeet Skeet Skeet Skeet Down.


Love,
Lil' Jon

PS. Dontcha you wish your girlfriend was a freak like me?
 
SamBuca: 2381 posts. None of them funny. It truly is a shame that the level of analytical thought on radio-info.com rarely rises above, "Hey, everybody! Didja hear the new jingle package on __(station)__?"

I apologize, Sam, for overestimating your website. Naively, I thought the power of radio and the impact of its messages on the youth would be of interest to current and former radio professionals. I see now how wrong I was.

Please consider this message to be the start of a new thread:

"Hey, y'all! When is Jack coming to central Pennsylvania?"
 
> Or you could turn the radio off and have them read a book in
> the car perhaps?
>
Certainly a good idea. I'd be lying if I said I hadn't already considered that tactic, though. My question was composed with the following parameters in mind:

a) Children have nearly unfettered access to radio. It's free of charge and practically omnipresent. Thus, the messages to which I earlier referred are not reaching children exclusively while riding in cars.

b) The messages in popular music are nothing resembling those found in, say, country radio.

c) Not one PD or owner of a CHR station has stood up against the ever-increasing prurience of the product they themselves are broadcasting. Surely they cannot all be in this degree of lockstep. I have a hard time believing that they would want their own children listening to 50 Cent.

Why is the radio world so accepting of this?
 
> SamBuca: 2381 posts. None of them funny. It truly is a
> shame that the level of analytical thought on radio-info.com
> rarely rises above, "Hey, everybody! Didja hear the new
> jingle package on __(station)__?"
>
> I apologize, Sam, for overestimating your website. Naively,
> I thought the power of radio and the impact of its messages
> on the youth would be of interest to current and former
> radio professionals. I see now how wrong I was.
>
> Please consider this message to be the start of a new
> thread:
>
> "Hey, y'all! When is Jack coming to central Pennsylvania?"

I find it interesting, thinkingman, that you find the need to target anyone with any affiliation with a station competing with WHP. Those who have mentioned they do not like something on WHP or like the competition (WSBA, WHYL), or in Sam's case work for the competition, find themselves subject to your trend of negative posts. Because you are not honest with us as to who you really are, I find your stabs toward the intellect of those whom frequent Radio-Info quite childish as at least they have honest PUBLIC opinions.

If you're seeking healthy, intelligent conversation about radio, feel free to contact me anytime. My name is Mak and I am the operations manager for WHYL-AM, I also produce the morning show. Let’s have lunch. I would love to discuss my extremely high respect for and deep appreciation of WHP. RJ has no problem telling us who he is, neither does Scooter Fortney, Nixon, Mike Shannon or Sam Buca.

Who do I ask for when I call over to Clear Channel to schedule our lunch, on me, at Stocks on 2nd?<P ID="signature">______________
You cannot be really first rate at your work if your work is all you are.</P>
 
> SamBuca: 2381 posts. None of them funny.

I'm going to tell my therapist that you're a poopy face and you're ruining my self esteem.

> I apologize, Sam, for overestimating your website. Naively,
> I thought the power of radio and the impact of its messages
> on the youth would be of interest to current and former
> radio professionals. I see now how wrong I was.

Thanks for declaring it MY website and realizing that my opinion (and often misguided/misinterpreted humor) is the voice of ALL young professionals. I rebuke the former statement as my ego has been properly served.

Bless you my son.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
Dear Thinnkingman

I perhaps think, that you may be, a "Dairy Farmer" ???

God Bless

> The other day, and without warning, I was assaulted by a
> local pop music station and I heard the following lyrics:
> (I looked them up on the Internet for the sake of an
> accurate recounting here.)
>
> "I wanna unbutton your pants just a lil bit/Take 'em off
> pull em down just a lil bit/Get to kissin' and touchin' a
> lil bit/Get to lickin' and f***ing a lil bit"
>
> And I wondered to myself if parents would rather have their
> kids hearing that, or Sean Hannity on WHP 580. I concluded
> that I'd rather expose my children to opinion and debate. I
> challenge anyone on this message board to outline for me the
> cultural, intellectual, or societal value of the above
> lyrics, which reach young persons multiple times per day. I
> am, quite frankly, disappointed that popular music has
> disintegrated to this point, where it is nigh impossible to
> find a shred of artistic or musical content, and equally
> disappointed that the program directors of pop music
> stations have said not one word regarding the obvious impact
> and influence their product have on today's youth.
>
> I am not naive to the long history of an elder generation
> griping about the popular music enjoyed by a younger
> generation, but the plain and simple fact is that music has
> been an identifying characteristic of each generation,
> reflecting beliefs, attitudes, and philosophies. I am
> hard-pressed to recall a more blatant and depraved
> declaration of values than the ones communicated by songs
> such as the one transcribed above. It is synchronized, not
> coincidentally, with increasingly bleak statistics regarding
> teenage pregnancy, single parenthood, attitudes toward women
> and authority, and violence. The big question is, of
> course, which spawned which? Answering that question will
> provide real evidence of any alleged "artistic merit" of
> today's pop music.
>
> Bottom line: I'd rather have my kids bored by Rush Limbaugh
> than dumbed-down and tempted by the stories composed by 50
> Cent. Your thoughts?
>
 
My arguments are no more or less valid because of my desire to remain anonymous, Mak. As a matter of fact, a great majority of people who post here also choose to keep their identity a secret. Their opinions, though not similarly worded, are not discounted as unworthy. My opinions are just as honest as theirs are. I am an observer and I react from a distance. My affinity and admiration for WHP is real, although they are not above criticism when warranted. For example, I have qualms with the "Petition of Rejection" because I feel that when a talk radio station enters the realm of activism (conservative or liberal), its identity as an editorial medium is compromised. Talk radio's purpose should not be to actively seek and push for social change. A talk radio station, like myself, works best an an observer that reacts from a distance. But quite frankly, WHP does it the right way, and the numbers in the Harrisburg market indicate same.

As for the honest public opinions of other posters, take a look at the "healthy, intelligent conversation" I received when I asked them about the deleterious effects of popular music on the attitudes and worldviews of American youth. Disappointing.

So while the lunch offer is tempting, I politely decline. I have little doubt that you and I would get along famously. But knowing you personally will affect how I perceive your station and its impact. We can just as easily share opinions about WHP, WHYL, or anything else right here in this forum.

I don't want to post this without sending an apology to SamBuca and those whom I've impugned. I was wrong to slam your intellect and professionalism, and I feel badly about that. I'm sorry.

Yours truly,
 
> > SamBuca: 2381 posts. None of them funny. It truly is a
> > shame that the level of analytical thought on
> radio-info.com
> > rarely rises above, "Hey, everybody! Didja hear the new
> > jingle package on __(station)__?"
> >
> > I apologize, Sam, for overestimating your website.
> Naively,
> > I thought the power of radio and the impact of its
> messages
> > on the youth would be of interest to current and former
> > radio professionals. I see now how wrong I was.
> >
> > Please consider this message to be the start of a new
> > thread:
> >
> > "Hey, y'all! When is Jack coming to central
> Pennsylvania?"
>
> I find it interesting, thinkingman, that you find the need
> to target anyone with any affiliation with a station
> competing with WHP. Those who have mentioned they do not
> like something on WHP or like the competition (WSBA, WHYL),
> or in Sam's case work for the competition, find themselves
> subject to your trend of negative posts. Because you are not
> honest with us as to who you really are, I find your stabs
> toward the intellect of those whom frequent Radio-Info quite
> childish as at least they have honest PUBLIC opinions.
>
> If you're seeking healthy, intelligent conversation about
> radio, feel free to contact me anytime. My name is Mak and
> I am the operations manager for WHYL-AM, I also produce the
> morning show. Let’s have lunch. I would love to discuss my
> extremely high respect for and deep appreciation of WHP. RJ
> has no problem telling us who he is, neither does Scooter
> Fortney, Nixon, Mike Shannon or Sam Buca.
>
> Who do I ask for when I call over to Clear Channel to
> schedule our lunch, on me, at Stocks on 2nd?
>

I guess they got you pegged, huh Wilbur?
 
Fitty or Sean? We'll take Fitty!

Almost all people, except perhaps thinkingman, eventually have sex. Turns out that it's part of normal life, after all. So suggestive lyrics, as uncomfortable as they might make parents, turn out not to be all that harmful. Even your own children will eventually have sex--no matter what you do to stop 'em.

Rightwing talk radio, on the other hand, supports the selfish, hateful and murderous philosophy of the radicals currently ruining our nation. Sending thousands to their deaths in Iraq to protect the interests of Exxon-Mobil. Cutting services to the poorest among us to line the pockets of the richest among us (yeah, there's Exxon-Mobil, again). Ranting against free speech and free thought ("liberalism") and using fear to promote hate toward anyone who isn't a CCC (Conservative Caucasian Christian).

I'll choose 50 Cent, thanks.



> The other day, and without warning, I was assaulted by a
> local pop music station and I heard the following lyrics:
> (I looked them up on the Internet for the sake of an
> accurate recounting here.)
>
> "I wanna unbutton your pants just a lil bit/Take 'em off
> pull em down just a lil bit/Get to kissin' and touchin' a
> lil bit/Get to lickin' and f***ing a lil bit"
>
> And I wondered to myself if parents would rather have their
> kids hearing that, or Sean Hannity on WHP 580. I concluded
> that I'd rather expose my children to opinion and debate. I
> challenge anyone on this message board to outline for me the
> cultural, intellectual, or societal value of the above
> lyrics, which reach young persons multiple times per day. I
> am, quite frankly, disappointed that popular music has
> disintegrated to this point, where it is nigh impossible to
> find a shred of artistic or musical content, and equally
> disappointed that the program directors of pop music
> stations have said not one word regarding the obvious impact
> and influence their product have on today's youth.
>
> I am not naive to the long history of an elder generation
> griping about the popular music enjoyed by a younger
> generation, but the plain and simple fact is that music has
> been an identifying characteristic of each generation,
> reflecting beliefs, attitudes, and philosophies. I am
> hard-pressed to recall a more blatant and depraved
> declaration of values than the ones communicated by songs
> such as the one transcribed above. It is synchronized, not
> coincidentally, with increasingly bleak statistics regarding
> teenage pregnancy, single parenthood, attitudes toward women
> and authority, and violence. The big question is, of
> course, which spawned which? Answering that question will
> provide real evidence of any alleged "artistic merit" of
> today's pop music.
>
> Bottom line: I'd rather have my kids bored by Rush Limbaugh
> than dumbed-down and tempted by the stories composed by 50
> Cent. Your thoughts?
>
 
Re: Fitty or Sean? We'll take Fitty!

Insults brushed aside, mountaineer, I think "suggestive" is an interesting term for what we're talking about. Maxim magazine is suggestive. Shania Twain's lyrics are suggestive. Banal, but suggestive. The lyrics that I posted a few days ago, do not strike me as merely "suggestive."


> Almost all people, except perhaps thinkingman, eventually
> have sex. Turns out that it's part of normal life, after
> all. So suggestive lyrics, as uncomfortable as they might
> make parents, turn out not to be all that harmful. Even your
> own children will eventually have sex--no matter what you do
> to stop 'em.
>
> Rightwing talk radio, on the other hand, supports the
> selfish, hateful and murderous philosophy of the radicals
> currently ruining our nation. Sending thousands to their
> deaths in Iraq to protect the interests of Exxon-Mobil.
> Cutting services to the poorest among us to line the pockets
> of the richest among us (yeah, there's Exxon-Mobil, again).
> Ranting against free speech and free thought ("liberalism")
> and using fear to promote hate toward anyone who isn't a CCC
> (Conservative Caucasian Christian).
>
> I'll choose 50 Cent, thanks.
>
>
>
> > The other day, and without warning, I was assaulted by a
> > local pop music station and I heard the following lyrics:
>
> > (I looked them up on the Internet for the sake of an
> > accurate recounting here.)
> >
> > "I wanna unbutton your pants just a lil bit/Take 'em off
> > pull em down just a lil bit/Get to kissin' and touchin' a
> > lil bit/Get to lickin' and f***ing a lil bit"
> >
> > And I wondered to myself if parents would rather have
> their
> > kids hearing that, or Sean Hannity on WHP 580. I
> concluded
> > that I'd rather expose my children to opinion and debate.
> I
> > challenge anyone on this message board to outline for me
> the
> > cultural, intellectual, or societal value of the above
> > lyrics, which reach young persons multiple times per day.
> I
> > am, quite frankly, disappointed that popular music has
> > disintegrated to this point, where it is nigh impossible
> to
> > find a shred of artistic or musical content, and equally
> > disappointed that the program directors of pop music
> > stations have said not one word regarding the obvious
> impact
> > and influence their product have on today's youth.
> >
> > I am not naive to the long history of an elder generation
> > griping about the popular music enjoyed by a younger
> > generation, but the plain and simple fact is that music
> has
> > been an identifying characteristic of each generation,
> > reflecting beliefs, attitudes, and philosophies. I am
> > hard-pressed to recall a more blatant and depraved
> > declaration of values than the ones communicated by songs
> > such as the one transcribed above. It is synchronized,
> not
> > coincidentally, with increasingly bleak statistics
> regarding
> > teenage pregnancy, single parenthood, attitudes toward
> women
> > and authority, and violence. The big question is, of
> > course, which spawned which? Answering that question will
>
> > provide real evidence of any alleged "artistic merit" of
> > today's pop music.
> >
> > Bottom line: I'd rather have my kids bored by Rush
> Limbaugh
> > than dumbed-down and tempted by the stories composed by 50
>
> > Cent. Your thoughts?
> >
>
 
Re: Fitty or Sean? We'll take Fitty!

The FCC has rules in place to deal with indecent content. They've also got a website and a phone. Report the offending station and tell 'em to slap that irresponsible broadcaster around a bit. Unless, of course, it's the same broadcaster that owns your sacred 580/WHP.

Wait, though. The FCC is one of those horrible regulatory agencies that hampers free enterprise. Big Government. Calling them would be counterintuitive to your ironclad beliefs. Never mind.


> Insults brushed aside, mountaineer, I think "suggestive" is
> an interesting term for what we're talking about. Maxim
> magazine is suggestive. Shania Twain's lyrics are
> suggestive. Banal, but suggestive. The lyrics that I
> posted a few days ago, do not strike me as merely
> "suggestive."
>
>
> > Almost all people, except perhaps thinkingman, eventually
> > have sex. Turns out that it's part of normal life, after
> > all. So suggestive lyrics, as uncomfortable as they might
> > make parents, turn out not to be all that harmful. Even
> your
> > own children will eventually have sex--no matter what you
> do
> > to stop 'em.
> >
> > Rightwing talk radio, on the other hand, supports the
> > selfish, hateful and murderous philosophy of the radicals
> > currently ruining our nation. Sending thousands to their
> > deaths in Iraq to protect the interests of Exxon-Mobil.
> > Cutting services to the poorest among us to line the
> pockets
> > of the richest among us (yeah, there's Exxon-Mobil,
> again).
> > Ranting against free speech and free thought
> ("liberalism")
> > and using fear to promote hate toward anyone who isn't a
> CCC
> > (Conservative Caucasian Christian).
> >
> > I'll choose 50 Cent, thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > > The other day, and without warning, I was assaulted by a
>
> > > local pop music station and I heard the following
> lyrics:
> >
> > > (I looked them up on the Internet for the sake of an
> > > accurate recounting here.)
> > >
> > > "I wanna unbutton your pants just a lil bit/Take 'em off
>
> > > pull em down just a lil bit/Get to kissin' and touchin'
> a
> > > lil bit/Get to lickin' and f***ing a lil bit"
> > >
> > > And I wondered to myself if parents would rather have
> > their
> > > kids hearing that, or Sean Hannity on WHP 580. I
> > concluded
> > > that I'd rather expose my children to opinion and
> debate.
> > I
> > > challenge anyone on this message board to outline for me
>
> > the
> > > cultural, intellectual, or societal value of the above
> > > lyrics, which reach young persons multiple times per
> day.
> > I
> > > am, quite frankly, disappointed that popular music has
> > > disintegrated to this point, where it is nigh impossible
>
> > to
> > > find a shred of artistic or musical content, and equally
>
> > > disappointed that the program directors of pop music
> > > stations have said not one word regarding the obvious
> > impact
> > > and influence their product have on today's youth.
> > >
> > > I am not naive to the long history of an elder
> generation
> > > griping about the popular music enjoyed by a younger
> > > generation, but the plain and simple fact is that music
> > has
> > > been an identifying characteristic of each generation,
> > > reflecting beliefs, attitudes, and philosophies. I am
> > > hard-pressed to recall a more blatant and depraved
> > > declaration of values than the ones communicated by
> songs
> > > such as the one transcribed above. It is synchronized,
> > not
> > > coincidentally, with increasingly bleak statistics
> > regarding
> > > teenage pregnancy, single parenthood, attitudes toward
> > women
> > > and authority, and violence. The big question is, of
> > > course, which spawned which? Answering that question
> will
> >
> > > provide real evidence of any alleged "artistic merit" of
>
> > > today's pop music.
> > >
> > > Bottom line: I'd rather have my kids bored by Rush
> > Limbaugh
> > > than dumbed-down and tempted by the stories composed by
> 50
> >
> > > Cent. Your thoughts?
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: Fitty or Sean? We'll take Fitty!

Mountaineer,

We're not talking legality here. Or "decency" as defined by the FCC. If we were, you'd have a valid point. It would not be illegal to place back issues of FHM magazine in your 6-year-old's bedroom, but is it wise in terms of trying to foster positive attitudes toward women in your kid?



> The FCC has rules in place to deal with indecent content.
> They've also got a website and a phone. Report the offending
> station and tell 'em to slap that irresponsible broadcaster
> around a bit. Unless, of course, it's the same broadcaster
> that owns your sacred 580/WHP.
>
> Wait, though. The FCC is one of those horrible regulatory
> agencies that hampers free enterprise. Big Government.
> Calling them would be counterintuitive to your ironclad
> beliefs. Never mind.
>
>
> > Insults brushed aside, mountaineer, I think "suggestive"
> is
> > an interesting term for what we're talking about. Maxim
> > magazine is suggestive. Shania Twain's lyrics are
> > suggestive. Banal, but suggestive. The lyrics that I
> > posted a few days ago, do not strike me as merely
> > "suggestive."
> >
> >
> > > Almost all people, except perhaps thinkingman,
> eventually
> > > have sex. Turns out that it's part of normal life, after
>
> > > all. So suggestive lyrics, as uncomfortable as they
> might
> > > make parents, turn out not to be all that harmful. Even
> > your
> > > own children will eventually have sex--no matter what
> you
> > do
> > > to stop 'em.
> > >
> > > Rightwing talk radio, on the other hand, supports the
> > > selfish, hateful and murderous philosophy of the
> radicals
> > > currently ruining our nation. Sending thousands to their
>
> > > deaths in Iraq to protect the interests of Exxon-Mobil.
> > > Cutting services to the poorest among us to line the
> > pockets
> > > of the richest among us (yeah, there's Exxon-Mobil,
> > again).
> > > Ranting against free speech and free thought
> > ("liberalism")
> > > and using fear to promote hate toward anyone who isn't a
>
> > CCC
> > > (Conservative Caucasian Christian).
> > >
> > > I'll choose 50 Cent, thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > The other day, and without warning, I was assaulted by
> a
> >
> > > > local pop music station and I heard the following
> > lyrics:
> > >
> > > > (I looked them up on the Internet for the sake of an
> > > > accurate recounting here.)
> > > >
> > > > "I wanna unbutton your pants just a lil bit/Take 'em
> off
> >
> > > > pull em down just a lil bit/Get to kissin' and
> touchin'
> > a
> > > > lil bit/Get to lickin' and f***ing a lil bit"
> > > >
> > > > And I wondered to myself if parents would rather have
> > > their
> > > > kids hearing that, or Sean Hannity on WHP 580. I
> > > concluded
> > > > that I'd rather expose my children to opinion and
> > debate.
> > > I
> > > > challenge anyone on this message board to outline for
> me
> >
> > > the
> > > > cultural, intellectual, or societal value of the above
>
> > > > lyrics, which reach young persons multiple times per
> > day.
> > > I
> > > > am, quite frankly, disappointed that popular music has
>
> > > > disintegrated to this point, where it is nigh
> impossible
> >
> > > to
> > > > find a shred of artistic or musical content, and
> equally
> >
> > > > disappointed that the program directors of pop music
> > > > stations have said not one word regarding the obvious
> > > impact
> > > > and influence their product have on today's youth.
> > > >
> > > > I am not naive to the long history of an elder
> > generation
> > > > griping about the popular music enjoyed by a younger
> > > > generation, but the plain and simple fact is that
> music
> > > has
> > > > been an identifying characteristic of each generation,
>
> > > > reflecting beliefs, attitudes, and philosophies. I am
>
> > > > hard-pressed to recall a more blatant and depraved
> > > > declaration of values than the ones communicated by
> > songs
> > > > such as the one transcribed above. It is
> synchronized,
> > > not
> > > > coincidentally, with increasingly bleak statistics
> > > regarding
> > > > teenage pregnancy, single parenthood, attitudes toward
>
> > > women
> > > > and authority, and violence. The big question is, of
> > > > course, which spawned which? Answering that question
> > will
> > >
> > > > provide real evidence of any alleged "artistic merit"
> of
> >
> > > > today's pop music.
> > > >
> > > > Bottom line: I'd rather have my kids bored by Rush
> > > Limbaugh
> > > > than dumbed-down and tempted by the stories composed
> by
> > 50
> > >
> > > > Cent. Your thoughts?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
 
The Moral Right?

Quite a quandary, splitting legal and moral hairs. But if position is that the immorality of sexual lyrics is more harmful to society than the immorality of an offensive war (as opposed to a defensive war) or the looting of America's economy by Bush's corporate & Country Club cronies, I'll vote for sexual lyrics. Hey, Rush comes on in a few minutes--give him a call and give him 3 hours of ammunition!


> We're not talking legality here. Or "decency" as defined by
> the FCC. If we were, you'd have a valid point. It would
> not be illegal to place back issues of FHM magazine in your
> 6-year-old's bedroom, but is it wise in terms of trying to
> foster positive attitudes toward women in your kid?
>
>
>
> > The FCC has rules in place to deal with indecent content.
> > They've also got a website and a phone. Report the
> offending
> > station and tell 'em to slap that irresponsible
> broadcaster
> > around a bit. Unless, of course, it's the same broadcaster
>
> > that owns your sacred 580/WHP.
> >
> > Wait, though. The FCC is one of those horrible regulatory
> > agencies that hampers free enterprise. Big Government.
> > Calling them would be counterintuitive to your ironclad
> > beliefs. Never mind.
> >
> >
> > > Insults brushed aside, mountaineer, I think "suggestive"
>
> > is
> > > an interesting term for what we're talking about. Maxim
>
> > > magazine is suggestive. Shania Twain's lyrics are
> > > suggestive. Banal, but suggestive. The lyrics that I
> > > posted a few days ago, do not strike me as merely
> > > "suggestive."
> > >
> > >
> > > > Almost all people, except perhaps thinkingman,
> > eventually
> > > > have sex. Turns out that it's part of normal life,
> after
> >
> > > > all. So suggestive lyrics, as uncomfortable as they
> > might
> > > > make parents, turn out not to be all that harmful.
> Even
> > > your
> > > > own children will eventually have sex--no matter what
> > you
> > > do
> > > > to stop 'em.
> > > >
> > > > Rightwing talk radio, on the other hand, supports the
> > > > selfish, hateful and murderous philosophy of the
> > radicals
> > > > currently ruining our nation. Sending thousands to
> their
> >
> > > > deaths in Iraq to protect the interests of
> Exxon-Mobil.
> > > > Cutting services to the poorest among us to line the
> > > pockets
> > > > of the richest among us (yeah, there's Exxon-Mobil,
> > > again).
> > > > Ranting against free speech and free thought
> > > ("liberalism")
> > > > and using fear to promote hate toward anyone who isn't
> a
> >
> > > CCC
> > > > (Conservative Caucasian Christian).
> > > >
> > > > I'll choose 50 Cent, thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The other day, and without warning, I was assaulted
> by
> > a
> > >
> > > > > local pop music station and I heard the following
> > > lyrics:
> > > >
> > > > > (I looked them up on the Internet for the sake of an
>
> > > > > accurate recounting here.)
> > > > >
> > > > > "I wanna unbutton your pants just a lil bit/Take 'em
>
> > off
> > >
> > > > > pull em down just a lil bit/Get to kissin' and
> > touchin'
> > > a
> > > > > lil bit/Get to lickin' and f***ing a lil bit"
> > > > >
> > > > > And I wondered to myself if parents would rather
> have
> > > > their
> > > > > kids hearing that, or Sean Hannity on WHP 580. I
> > > > concluded
> > > > > that I'd rather expose my children to opinion and
> > > debate.
> > > > I
> > > > > challenge anyone on this message board to outline
> for
> > me
> > >
> > > > the
> > > > > cultural, intellectual, or societal value of the
> above
> >
> > > > > lyrics, which reach young persons multiple times per
>
> > > day.
> > > > I
> > > > > am, quite frankly, disappointed that popular music
> has
> >
> > > > > disintegrated to this point, where it is nigh
> > impossible
> > >
> > > > to
> > > > > find a shred of artistic or musical content, and
> > equally
> > >
> > > > > disappointed that the program directors of pop music
>
> > > > > stations have said not one word regarding the
> obvious
> > > > impact
> > > > > and influence their product have on today's youth.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not naive to the long history of an elder
> > > generation
> > > > > griping about the popular music enjoyed by a younger
>
> > > > > generation, but the plain and simple fact is that
> > music
> > > > has
> > > > > been an identifying characteristic of each
> generation,
> >
> > > > > reflecting beliefs, attitudes, and philosophies. I
> am
> >
> > > > > hard-pressed to recall a more blatant and depraved
> > > > > declaration of values than the ones communicated by
> > > songs
> > > > > such as the one transcribed above. It is
> > synchronized,
> > > > not
> > > > > coincidentally, with increasingly bleak statistics
> > > > regarding
> > > > > teenage pregnancy, single parenthood, attitudes
> toward
> >
> > > > women
> > > > > and authority, and violence. The big question is,
> of
> > > > > course, which spawned which? Answering that
> question
> > > will
> > > >
> > > > > provide real evidence of any alleged "artistic
> merit"
> > of
> > >
> > > > > today's pop music.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bottom line: I'd rather have my kids bored by Rush
> > > > Limbaugh
> > > > > than dumbed-down and tempted by the stories composed
>
> > by
> > > 50
> > > >
> > > > > Cent. Your thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
 
> > The other day, and without warning, I was assaulted by a
> > local pop music station and I heard the following lyrics:
>
> > (I looked them up on the Internet for the sake of an
> > accurate recounting here.)
> >
> > "I wanna unbutton your pants just a lil bit/Take 'em off
> > pull em down just a lil bit/Get to kissin' and touchin' a
> > lil bit/Get to lickin' and f***ing a lil bit"
> >
> > And I wondered to myself if parents would rather have
> their
> > kids hearing that, or Sean Hannity on WHP 580. I
> concluded
> > that I'd rather expose my children to opinion and debate.
>
> >
> > Bottom line: I'd rather have my kids bored by Rush
> Limbaugh
> > than dumbed-down and tempted by the stories composed by 50
>
> > Cent. Your thoughts?
>
> yeah 50 cent aint worth a half a cent. he is hip hop's
> answer to being a total loser like t.o. is to the eagles on
> the nfl. what happened to the good old school hip hop like
> ll cool j, cameo, run dmc etc?

*********

>Being asked to choose between 50 Cent & P. Diddy, or, I'm sorry, Diddy and their ilk and Limbaugh & Hannity (baby Limbaugh) is no choice at all. I think both groups are damaging. The first simply because they're not musicians and, the crap they put forth as "music" could warp the taste of a young mind. Sexual lyrical content aside, its just bad music. And its not just rap, theres alot of really bad stuff on and off the charts. The whining emo stuff and rock bands with singers with hairball problems come to mind. If you raise a kid to eat Big Macs chances are they'll never appreciate a good steak.


And for Hannity, Limbaugh, OReilly, etc. These guys are bullies more damaging than any pop song because they present lies as truth and actually squash real debate in a forum a listener may believe is actually fair.

Mistaking a bizarro entertainment format for truth is damaging at any age. I
gotta go, TO just scratched his balls and ESPN is doing a special report.



>
>
 
Re: The Moral Right?

You obviously do not understand the topic, which doesn't especially surprise me.

This is not a question about war. This is not a question about economy looting or the Bush Administration.

This is a question about the impact of radio on young people, whose behavior in terms of sexuality, attitude, and violence is, by any barometer, appalling compared to just ten years ago.

Don't worry, Mountaineer, big bad Dick Cheney isn't going to come after your goverment-issued cheese or your food stamps. And you're not going to get drafted into this illegal, immoral war, either.

Next time you talk to Cindy Sheehan, wish her well for me. And thank her for the sacrifice of her son Casey, who also did not get drafted.
 
The Real Topic

No, TM, that's what scares you--I do understand the topic. It's about free speech. True conservatives cherish it. Even for 50 Cent, and even if he's talking about sex.


> You obviously do not understand the topic, which doesn't
> especially surprise me.
>
> This is not a question about war. This is not a question
> about economy looting or the Bush Administration.
>
> This is a question about the impact of radio on young
> people, whose behavior in terms of sexuality, attitude, and
> violence is, by any barometer, appalling compared to just
> ten years ago.
>
> Don't worry, Mountaineer, big bad Dick Cheney isn't going to
> come after your goverment-issued cheese or your food stamps.
> And you're not going to get drafted into this illegal,
> immoral war, either.
>
> Next time you talk to Cindy Sheehan, wish her well for me.
> And thank her for the sacrifice of her son Casey, who also
> did not get drafted.
>
 
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