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TowerOwner

I am so bored!!! Is everyone on a mental vacation? I miss the Russ Martin topics. They are topical and conversational. They at least showed this market had some interesting topics whether you agree or disagree. Do not even go down the "wife beater" or "girlfriend abuser" BS . That case is closed.


Let's all make this a board we can be proud of so that we set the tone for the Nation. Is Dallas Market 5 that pathetic?

Russ, you are correct apparently it is.

We have a lot to be proud of in Dallas. Let us build a board that does not encourage a mid day or drive time slumber.

Tower Owner.

P.S.

Your frequencies grace my towers. I have a right to comment on the sub-standard "pablum" you all spew over my property. Whether you like it or not.
 
If it's any consolation, DFW will probably be passed by Houston over the next 10 years. Of course, DFW may catch the SF Bay area someday too to remain in the top five!
 
tomficker said:
If it's any consolation, DFW will probably be passed by Houston over the next 10 years. Of course, DFW may catch the SF Bay area someday too to remain in the top five!
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Did you know that the population of San Antonio is about 120,000+ larger than that of Dallas? Yet, Dallas is market 5 and SA is market 31. Go figure.
 
tomficker said:
...DFW will probably be passed by Houston over the next 10 years...
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Did you know that the population of San Antonio is about 120,000+ larger than that of Dallas? Yet, Dallas is market 5 and SA is market 31. Go figure.
 
San Antonio proper may be larger than Dallas proper, but the DFW Metroplex is colossal. San Antonio doesn't have quite as much in the way of suburbs, unless you count Austin. ;)
 
BenB said:
With what, counting illegal aliens too?
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The US Census is the basis for market population counts, and the Census is mandated by a clause in the constitution later codified to include every person in the country. So, yes, non-legal residents are counted.

Radio markets are not cities, but trading zones that we call Metropolitan Areas in general use. However, the Census and OMB define Metropolitan Statistical Areas based on certain interrelationships of commerce. Arbitron defines Metropolitan Survey Areas, based on certain interrelationships like commuting and levels of radio listening to "home" stations to the core of the metro.

The Dallas market is made up of 11 complete counties with about 6.5 million people. The San Antonio is 8 counties with a 2.1 million population.

The number of square miles in a certain city, or the population of the core city of a metro is, in effect, irrelevant in the ranking or counting of a metro area.
 
^^^
As long as this is the standard, DFW will be THE largest market by 2020, because we'll be city from Waco to Denton, Weatherford to Tyler.
 
DavidEduardo said:
[The US Census is the basis for market population counts, and the Census is mandated by a clause in the constitution later codified to include every person in the country. So, yes, non-legal residents are counted.
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How does one accurately count non-legal residents?
 
mic_check said:
^^^
As long as this is the standard, DFW will be THE largest market by 2020, because we'll be city from Waco to Denton, Weatherford to Tyler.
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The addition of additional counties is relatively unlikely, as the useful coverage of the majority of Dallas stations is already stretched under the current geography and the commute rule used by Arbitron would fail.

The 60 dbu of a full Cedar Hill FM misses portions of Hood, Parker, Wise, Collin, Kaufman, Rockwall and Johnson Counties (and tiny bits of even Denton County for example). Since most in-home and at-work listening is inside the 64 dbu contour, even less of the population is marginal or outside a full C FM.

For example, the market is about 6.5 million, but a typical Cedar Hill FM puts a 64 dbu over only about 5.2 million, give or take. Obviously, most of the population is in the nearest-to-Dallas/Ft. Worth suburban county areas, but adding counties is not going to happen based on current standards for radio audience.

The OMB / Census definition does not get revised unless work, trade and commute patterns change. That only comes from a Census, so unless there is some surprise in the 2010 Census we don't know about, the market will not change before 2020.
 
BenB said:
DavidEduardo said:
[The US Census is the basis for market population counts, and the Census is mandated by a clause in the constitution later codified to include every person in the country. So, yes, non-legal residents are counted.
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How does one accurately count non-legal residents?
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You don't but you can come really, really close; it's harder to count the homeless.

Neighborhood enumerators can recognize where there are people living, and followed up many times with them. There were hundreds of millions of dollars worth of advertising (provided by the media, mostly) directed at the major undocumented resident groups informing that the Census did not give personal data to the INS or anyone else.

Obviously the result is not perfect, but independent and unbiased demographers have stated that the illegal population has been counted within a percent or two, plus or minus, of reality. If you apply that to the Dallas metro, with about 1.7 million Hispanics, of which group only a portion is likely to be illegal, the difference would be +/- 2% of the undocumented part of the population. That means less than 20,000 persons in a market of 6.5 million, which is really insignificant in the statistical area (and I am NOT talking about social costs, etc... just demographics).
 
DavidEduardo said:
mic_check said:
^^^
As long as this is the standard, DFW will be THE largest market by 2020, because we'll be city from Waco to Denton, Weatherford to Tyler.
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The addition of additional counties is relatively unlikely, as the useful coverage of the majority of Dallas stations is already stretched under the current geography and the commute rule used by Arbitron would fail.

The 60 dbu of a full Cedar Hill FM misses portions of Hood, Parker, Wise, Collin, Kaufman, Rockwall and Johnson Counties (and tiny bits of even Denton County for example). Since most in-home and at-work listening is inside the 64 dbu contour, even less of the population is marginal or outside a full C FM.

For example, the market is about 6.5 million, but a typical Cedar Hill FM puts a 64 dbu over only about 5.2 million, give or take. Obviously, most of the population is in the nearest-to-Dallas/Ft. Worth suburban county areas, but adding counties is not going to happen based on current standards for radio audience.

The OMB / Census definition does not get revised unless work, trade and commute patterns change. That only comes from a Census, so unless there is some surprise in the 2010 Census we don't know about, the market will not change before 2020.
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Good points. I totally forgot about the census only being taken every 10 yrs as a factor. 2025 then. :D

I wonder how markets will be determined once the "clear" revolution allows people to listen to ANY station, so long as they webcast, will affect if we continue to focus on a market by market basis or a station/network basis.
 
mic_check said:
I wonder how markets will be determined once the "clear" revolution allows people to listen to ANY station, so long as they webcast, will affect if we continue to focus on a market by market basis or a station/network basis.
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Probably not as much as you might think. The vast majority of webcast listening is local.
 
Nancy I am not Russ.

I am a fan of this board. I highly respect all you who have contributed to the history of this market. I turned 49 years old today and as of today I have memories of 44 years of great radio history I cherish from m all the time I have listened to my favorite personalities from 1967 on in DFW.

I like tohave a little fun with you all but for all of you who have contributed to entertaining this market from board ops, call screeners, producers and On the Air Talent you have my respect and appreciation for informing me and entertaining me since I was a wee lad.
 
Tower Owner. Hope you don't mind me poking fun at this either. Most people that post here take things so seriously...too serious for me usually. Life is too short...have fun! Hope you had a great birthday.
 
Thanks Nancy. I did have a great BD.

I did mean all I said. EVERYONE who has contributed since I can remember has my deep appreciation for making my world so special. One day I will list those who have influenced me the most.

TO
 
BGH,

You are missing he point of the post. There is such a great depth of history and experience on this board. I want to hear the legends talk about what it was like in their day. I want to hear behind the scene stories of the most memorable moments in DFW Radio.

TO
 
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