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OldiesCat
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Jack/LA Summer 2005 Arbitron- #1 25-54 adults.
(Chicago up a bit, NY dog continues to have bad case of fleas).
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> Jack/LA Summer 2005 Arbitron- #1 25-54 adults.
.....
Number One, huh?
Well, that's STILL not good enough for me. What you are missing
is the long term, when the honeymoon is over. They'll drop
like a rock and I'll be right here telling you I told ya
so. You are a corporate pawn and such a "suit" that I
think you actually wear two suits. Go buy a "Dogs Playing
Poker" piece to celebrate.
There, think I covered it all so the real naysayers won't...
.....
Number One, huh?
Well, that's STILL not good enough for me. What you are missing
is the long term, when the honeymoon is over. They'll drop
like a rock and I'll be right here telling you I told ya
so. You are a corporate pawn and such a "suit" that I
think you actually wear two suits. Go buy a "Dogs Playing
Poker" piece to celebrate.
There, think I covered it all so the real naysayers won't...
O
OldiesCat
Guest
<LMAO> thanks for the warm-up. I have my flak jacket on and ready.
> Number One, huh?
>
> Well, that's STILL not good enough for me. What you are
> missing is the long term, when the honeymoon is over. They'll drop
> like a rock and I'll be right here telling you I told ya
> so. You are a corporate pawn and such a "suit" that I
> think you actually wear two suits. Go buy a "Dogs Playing
> Poker" piece to celebrate.
>
> There, think I covered it all so the real naysayers won't...
>
> > Jack/LA Summer 2005 Arbitron- #1 25-54 adults.
>
> Number One, huh?
>
> Well, that's STILL not good enough for me. What you are
> missing is the long term, when the honeymoon is over. They'll drop
> like a rock and I'll be right here telling you I told ya
> so. You are a corporate pawn and such a "suit" that I
> think you actually wear two suits. Go buy a "Dogs Playing
> Poker" piece to celebrate.
>
> There, think I covered it all so the real naysayers won't...
>
> > Jack/LA Summer 2005 Arbitron- #1 25-54 adults.
>
> Jack/LA Summer 2005 Arbitron- #1 25-54 adults.
>
> (Chicago up a bit, NY dog continues to have bad case of
> fleas).
>
The Jack format is a joke. No direction. No local involvement. It'll be out the window in less than 2 years.
>
> (Chicago up a bit, NY dog continues to have bad case of
> fleas).
>
The Jack format is a joke. No direction. No local involvement. It'll be out the window in less than 2 years.
O
OldiesCat
Guest
deja vu
One more time: it's #1 with adults and not just in L.A.
Deal with it.
> The Jack format is a joke. No direction. No local
> involvement. It'll be out the window in less than 2 years.
>
One more time: it's #1 with adults and not just in L.A.
Deal with it.
> The Jack format is a joke. No direction. No local
> involvement. It'll be out the window in less than 2 years.
>
M
MikeFromIndiana
Guest
Re: deja vu
> One more time: it's #1 with adults and not just in L.A.
>
> Deal with it.
>
>
> > The Jack format is a joke. No direction. No local
> > involvement. It'll be out the window in less than 2
> years.
> >
>
Steppenwolf has an issue with the Jack format Everywhere he seems to complain that Jack or its Cousins is nothing but a Hodge Podge format.
> One more time: it's #1 with adults and not just in L.A.
>
> Deal with it.
>
>
> > The Jack format is a joke. No direction. No local
> > involvement. It'll be out the window in less than 2
> years.
> >
>
Steppenwolf has an issue with the Jack format Everywhere he seems to complain that Jack or its Cousins is nothing but a Hodge Podge format.
Re: deja vu
> > One more time: it's #1 with adults and not just in L.A.
>
> >
> > Deal with it.
> >
> >
> > > The Jack format is a joke. No direction. No local
> > > involvement. It'll be out the window in less than 2
> > years.
> > >
> >
> Steppenwolf has an issue with the Jack format Everywhere he
> seems to complain that Jack or its Cousins is nothing but a
> Hodge Podge format.
>
Yeah, sorry but you clowns who are trashing Jack, etc.,
are prime examples of why radio is where it is today. Until
you accomplish something remotely close to anything like
Jack or any cool concept you don't have a leg to stand on.
Step back deeper on the sidelines and watch the players
play (win or loose, they are at least on the field.)
And talk about programming, formats and playlists all you
want --- you are programmed zombies of unimaginative radio,
formatted to throw up the same vile lines played over and
over and over and over.
We are changing the channel away from you as usual.
G'day.
> > One more time: it's #1 with adults and not just in L.A.
>
> >
> > Deal with it.
> >
> >
> > > The Jack format is a joke. No direction. No local
> > > involvement. It'll be out the window in less than 2
> > years.
> > >
> >
> Steppenwolf has an issue with the Jack format Everywhere he
> seems to complain that Jack or its Cousins is nothing but a
> Hodge Podge format.
>
Yeah, sorry but you clowns who are trashing Jack, etc.,
are prime examples of why radio is where it is today. Until
you accomplish something remotely close to anything like
Jack or any cool concept you don't have a leg to stand on.
Step back deeper on the sidelines and watch the players
play (win or loose, they are at least on the field.)
And talk about programming, formats and playlists all you
want --- you are programmed zombies of unimaginative radio,
formatted to throw up the same vile lines played over and
over and over and over.
We are changing the channel away from you as usual.
G'day.
O
OldiesCat
Guest
deja vu
Very well stated.
>
> Yeah, sorry but you clowns who are trashing Jack, etc.,
> are prime examples of why radio is where it is today. Until
> you accomplish something remotely close to anything like
> Jack or any cool concept you don't have a leg to stand on.
> Step back deeper on the sidelines and watch the players
> play (win or loose, they are at least on the field.)
>
> And talk about programming, formats and playlists all you
> want --- you are programmed zombies of unimaginative radio,
> formatted to throw up the same vile lines played over and
> over and over and over.
>
> We are changing the channel away from you as usual.
>
> G'day.
>
Very well stated.
>
> Yeah, sorry but you clowns who are trashing Jack, etc.,
> are prime examples of why radio is where it is today. Until
> you accomplish something remotely close to anything like
> Jack or any cool concept you don't have a leg to stand on.
> Step back deeper on the sidelines and watch the players
> play (win or loose, they are at least on the field.)
>
> And talk about programming, formats and playlists all you
> want --- you are programmed zombies of unimaginative radio,
> formatted to throw up the same vile lines played over and
> over and over and over.
>
> We are changing the channel away from you as usual.
>
> G'day.
>
A
am-fm
Guest
Re: deja vu
> I'll agree with that.
>
> When's the last time you heard anything new and creative on
> the radio? (other than Jack and his buddies)
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> I'll agree with that.
>
> When's the last time you heard anything new and creative on
> the radio? (other than Jack and his buddies)
Oldies 100 WJRZ - Sunday night request show....<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: deja vu
> I'll agree with that.
>
> When's the last time you heard anything new and creative on
> the radio? (other than Jack and his buddies)
>
The Jack format is NOT new and certainly not creative. It's direction-less, boring radio.
> I'll agree with that.
>
> When's the last time you heard anything new and creative on
> the radio? (other than Jack and his buddies)
>
The Jack format is NOT new and certainly not creative. It's direction-less, boring radio.
O
OldiesCat
Guest
not so fast
Au contraire- radio listeners are saying it's a new and refereshing approach, by the thousands. Perception IS reality.
> >
> The Jack format is NOT new and certainly not creative. It's
> direction-less, boring radio.
>
> >
> > When's the last time you heard anything new and creative
> on the radio? (other than Jack and his buddies)
Au contraire- radio listeners are saying it's a new and refereshing approach, by the thousands. Perception IS reality.
> >
> The Jack format is NOT new and certainly not creative. It's
> direction-less, boring radio.
>
> >
> > When's the last time you heard anything new and creative
> on the radio? (other than Jack and his buddies)
O
OldiesCat
Guest
you nailed it again
Don't you love the way the Jack naysayers simply dismiss the entire approach as "it's nothing new" and "it's boring"?
They have nothing else to hang their hats on.
> > The Jack format is NOT new and certainly not creative.
> It's direction-less, boring radio.
>
> That's not the answer I was looking for. Try Again.
>
> Have you done anything new or creative or are you still
> doing the same ol' corporate cookie cutter stuff?
>
Don't you love the way the Jack naysayers simply dismiss the entire approach as "it's nothing new" and "it's boring"?
They have nothing else to hang their hats on.
> > The Jack format is NOT new and certainly not creative.
> It's direction-less, boring radio.
>
> That's not the answer I was looking for. Try Again.
>
> Have you done anything new or creative or are you still
> doing the same ol' corporate cookie cutter stuff?
>
Re: deja vu
> The Jack format is NOT new and certainly not creative. It's
> direction-less, boring radio.
>
Really? 6M dumbasses like this waste of the airwaves. I know
they don't count for much, but why don't you lead the naysayer pack
and tell us what revolutionary marketing/programming/formatting
ideas YOU have that could take even some of these people away
from such a disaster. On the front, I understand that we
won't get any responses to this because "so many brilliant
radio people refuse to EVER show even one card in their
career." But, maybe somebody will break the mold.
> The Jack format is NOT new and certainly not creative. It's
> direction-less, boring radio.
>
Really? 6M dumbasses like this waste of the airwaves. I know
they don't count for much, but why don't you lead the naysayer pack
and tell us what revolutionary marketing/programming/formatting
ideas YOU have that could take even some of these people away
from such a disaster. On the front, I understand that we
won't get any responses to this because "so many brilliant
radio people refuse to EVER show even one card in their
career." But, maybe somebody will break the mold.
O
OldiesCat
Guest
better ideas
They can't/won't do that because there are a great number in our business who prefer to whine & cry about what's wrong (in their opinion) and put little energy or thought into creating exciting radio every day. It makes them feel better for five minutes(at a time) to be part of the problem instead of part of the solution.
>
> Really? 6M dumbasses like this waste of the airwaves. I know
>
> they don't count for much, but why don't you lead the
> naysayer pack and tell us what revolutionary
> marketing/programming/formatting
> ideas YOU have that could take even some of these people
> away from such a disaster. On the front, I understand that we
> won't get any responses to this because "so many brilliant
> radio people refuse to EVER show even one card in their
> career." But, maybe somebody will break the mold.
>
They can't/won't do that because there are a great number in our business who prefer to whine & cry about what's wrong (in their opinion) and put little energy or thought into creating exciting radio every day. It makes them feel better for five minutes(at a time) to be part of the problem instead of part of the solution.
>
> Really? 6M dumbasses like this waste of the airwaves. I know
>
> they don't count for much, but why don't you lead the
> naysayer pack and tell us what revolutionary
> marketing/programming/formatting
> ideas YOU have that could take even some of these people
> away from such a disaster. On the front, I understand that we
> won't get any responses to this because "so many brilliant
> radio people refuse to EVER show even one card in their
> career." But, maybe somebody will break the mold.
>
Re: you nailed it again
> Don't you love the way the Jack naysayers simply dismiss the
> entire approach as "it's nothing new" and "it's boring"?
>
> They have nothing else to hang their hats on.
>
You obviously are new to radio and don't understand the true meaning of words like new and creative.
> Don't you love the way the Jack naysayers simply dismiss the
> entire approach as "it's nothing new" and "it's boring"?
>
> They have nothing else to hang their hats on.
>
You obviously are new to radio and don't understand the true meaning of words like new and creative.
O
OldiesCat
Guest
nailed it
Hardly. I've actually been in radio long enough to recognize small-minded "radio think", however. Radio folks usually only use the words "new" and "creative" if it's THEIR idea.
> >
> You obviously are new to radio and don't understand the true
> meaning of words like new and creative.
>
Hardly. I've actually been in radio long enough to recognize small-minded "radio think", however. Radio folks usually only use the words "new" and "creative" if it's THEIR idea.
> >
> You obviously are new to radio and don't understand the true
> meaning of words like new and creative.
>
> thanks for the warm-up. I have my flak jacket on and ready.
To get a little serious, I think there is one group we haven't covered who isn't enamored with Jack--the type who think that Jim Ladd (or Vin Scelesa or whatever other free form jocks are still out there) is the king and that Jack is too hit-oriented and is not committed to bringing to listeners all of the wonderful music that is out there that's being constricted by the suits, etc., etc. There's a guy on a TV board I frequent who likes to take shots at LA Jack for that reason (that and the lack of DJs or "local involvement").
On the other hand, there is a reason why Allen Shaw dropped "free form" radio on the ABC-owned FMs all those years ago and created AOR--because the problem with "free form" is that there were and are an extremely few DJs out there who could do it with taste and showmanship and with the knack and instincts to get the audience interested in the music they're playing--and outside of Ladd and Scelesa (and the deceased John Peel of the BBC), I can't think of too many others. Most of the "free-form" jocks back then were druggies playing mostly absolute crap because it was "non-commercial" (Exhibit A, although there are those who'll argue with me--that late 60s FM hit the long version of "In-a-Gadda-da-Vida").
And in a devalued personality market, I'd rather have Howard Cogan sweepers than an inept liner card reader or a pre-fab "wacky" morning team and their lame prep service material any day.
To get a little serious, I think there is one group we haven't covered who isn't enamored with Jack--the type who think that Jim Ladd (or Vin Scelesa or whatever other free form jocks are still out there) is the king and that Jack is too hit-oriented and is not committed to bringing to listeners all of the wonderful music that is out there that's being constricted by the suits, etc., etc. There's a guy on a TV board I frequent who likes to take shots at LA Jack for that reason (that and the lack of DJs or "local involvement").
On the other hand, there is a reason why Allen Shaw dropped "free form" radio on the ABC-owned FMs all those years ago and created AOR--because the problem with "free form" is that there were and are an extremely few DJs out there who could do it with taste and showmanship and with the knack and instincts to get the audience interested in the music they're playing--and outside of Ladd and Scelesa (and the deceased John Peel of the BBC), I can't think of too many others. Most of the "free-form" jocks back then were druggies playing mostly absolute crap because it was "non-commercial" (Exhibit A, although there are those who'll argue with me--that late 60s FM hit the long version of "In-a-Gadda-da-Vida").
And in a devalued personality market, I'd rather have Howard Cogan sweepers than an inept liner card reader or a pre-fab "wacky" morning team and their lame prep service material any day.
O
OldiesCat
Guest
I was being serious (sort of). Every time any of us who believes in giving the JACK/V.H. format a fair chance at success, every sour grapes bitter-beer-face who never really made it in radio (or who's best days are behind them) hammers us relentlessly.
And what REALLY pisses them off is that, except for a few markets, the JACK-type stations are doing really well very quickly. "It's a fad" or "they don't have jocks" or "they don't take requests" or some other sophomoric reason they have to slam us who see why it's working- it gets old. Radio people are incessant about not being restricted into a creative box but when something that's outside their small circle of knowledge hits the air (and WORKS), they grapple to find reasons to hate it. You hate Jack-fine, move on. But get over it and allow the rest of us to debate it's virtues and shortfalls intelligently without having to muck through all the whining and bitching. If the Jack haters put as much time and effort into their radio shows maybe they wouldn't be so frustrated and critical.
And we wonder why radio's in the state it's in.
>
> To get a little serious, I think there is one group we
> haven't covered who isn't enamored with Jack--the type who
> think that Jim Ladd (or Vin Scelesa or whatever other free
> form jocks are still out there) is the king and that Jack is
> too hit-oriented and is not committed to bringing to
> listeners all of the wonderful music that is out there
> that's being constricted by the suits, etc., etc. There's a
> guy on a TV board I frequent who likes to take shots at LA
> Jack for that reason (that and the lack of DJs or "local
> involvement").
>
> On the other hand, there is a reason why Allen Shaw dropped
> "free form" radio on the ABC-owned FMs all those years ago
> and created AOR--because the problem with "free form" is
> that there were and are an extremely few DJs out there who
> could do it with taste and showmanship and with the knack
> and instincts to get the audience interested in the music
> they're playing--and outside of Ladd and Scelesa (and the
> deceased John Peel of the BBC), I can't think of too many
> others. Most of the "free-form" jocks back then were
> druggies playing mostly absolute crap because it was
> "non-commercial" (Exhibit A, although there are those who'll
> argue with me--that late 60s FM hit the long version of
> "In-a-Gadda-da-Vida").
>
> And in a devalued personality market, I'd rather have Howard
> Cogan sweepers than an inept liner card reader or a pre-fab
> "wacky" morning team and their lame prep service material
> any day.
>
And what REALLY pisses them off is that, except for a few markets, the JACK-type stations are doing really well very quickly. "It's a fad" or "they don't have jocks" or "they don't take requests" or some other sophomoric reason they have to slam us who see why it's working- it gets old. Radio people are incessant about not being restricted into a creative box but when something that's outside their small circle of knowledge hits the air (and WORKS), they grapple to find reasons to hate it. You hate Jack-fine, move on. But get over it and allow the rest of us to debate it's virtues and shortfalls intelligently without having to muck through all the whining and bitching. If the Jack haters put as much time and effort into their radio shows maybe they wouldn't be so frustrated and critical.
And we wonder why radio's in the state it's in.
>
> To get a little serious, I think there is one group we
> haven't covered who isn't enamored with Jack--the type who
> think that Jim Ladd (or Vin Scelesa or whatever other free
> form jocks are still out there) is the king and that Jack is
> too hit-oriented and is not committed to bringing to
> listeners all of the wonderful music that is out there
> that's being constricted by the suits, etc., etc. There's a
> guy on a TV board I frequent who likes to take shots at LA
> Jack for that reason (that and the lack of DJs or "local
> involvement").
>
> On the other hand, there is a reason why Allen Shaw dropped
> "free form" radio on the ABC-owned FMs all those years ago
> and created AOR--because the problem with "free form" is
> that there were and are an extremely few DJs out there who
> could do it with taste and showmanship and with the knack
> and instincts to get the audience interested in the music
> they're playing--and outside of Ladd and Scelesa (and the
> deceased John Peel of the BBC), I can't think of too many
> others. Most of the "free-form" jocks back then were
> druggies playing mostly absolute crap because it was
> "non-commercial" (Exhibit A, although there are those who'll
> argue with me--that late 60s FM hit the long version of
> "In-a-Gadda-da-Vida").
>
> And in a devalued personality market, I'd rather have Howard
> Cogan sweepers than an inept liner card reader or a pre-fab
> "wacky" morning team and their lame prep service material
> any day.
>
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