This will probably cause more trouble but...WABC Rewound 08 airchecks

[LinoNYC]

In glorious hd.

Here is the first hour:http://www.sendspace.com/file/kdcbk4 HR1 37 mb

Here is hr 3 http://www.sendspace.com/file/zedpfk

Hours 2 http://www.sendspace.com/file/cqgxmh

& 3 http://www.sendspace.com/file/hzg851

hours 8 http://www.sendspace.com/file/l208yj

12 http://www.sendspace.com/file/p0tnuj

Finally we have hours 5-6-7

http://www.sendspace.com/file/4ry1hp

and 9-10-11 http://www.sendspace.com/file/qbefyu 155mb

Lino

 

[SUPERCASTER]

Thanks for WABC Rewound 08 files, even though they're full of rough high frequency audio from HD radio spectral replication, encoding artifacts and fuzziness. Nice to hear some "old friends" and relive some memories again.

 

[hipporadio]

THANK-YOU also, Lino. I enjoyed the WABC post. The audio was NOT compelling, though... I heard it in 'ole-fashioned analog on skip - on a CCrane radio the first time around – and would have archived that audio at an instant – fade ‘n all – it was better! AM radio is what it is—IT FADES... SORRY ;D In digital "HD", when it occasionally leaves – it goes blank or forces listeners back to a worse AM listening experience than they would receive on their Coby clock radio! My experience with “HD receivers” on the AM band is that they have even-worse [analog] AM sections than the less-than-acceptable norm... Ref—the 2khz analog alleged AM stereo performance of the Radio Shack HD Accuian—a HORRABLE AM [analog] receiver!

‘Wanna hear fine AM? ...Buy a CCrane [detune 2kHz], a Tivoli analog-tuned Model-One, or several Sangean receivers. Analog AM CAN sound GOOD – ‘just get the right receiver!

 

[amfmsw]

Want great sounding AM? Also try picking up a used Marantz 2230 or similar on ebay.

 

[hipporadio]

Want great sounding AM? Also try picking up a used Marantz 2230 or similar on ebay.

...Or my Realistic STA-65B [from the "Shack"]... It had GREAT AM audio! MANY more do also!

 

[KB1OKL]

Want great sounding AM? Also try picking up a used Marantz 2230 or similar on ebay.

I'm listening to my 2385 right now through double Large Advents. 185 WRMS per channel both driven continuously into 8 ohms with .01% distortion, 240 at 4 ohms. My AM section sounds like #### though, has a great FM section. My Hallicrafters SX-28 has great AM sound, has an approx 13 Khz wide filter in wide position and puts out about ten watts. I listen to CHWO 740 Toronto quite often on it.

 

[KB1OKL]

I've listened to about 25 minutes so far of the first hour, it sounds very clear but I have heard better AM before, the highs sound artificial and I hear no bottom, I could not listen to sound like this for any length of time. If this is what AM IBOC sounds like I'm certainly not going to rush out to buy one. My radios with wide filters sound much better than this and are not tiring to the ears. The longer I listen the more tiring it becomes. I am running this through the system I mentioned above so my stuff is definitely not the limiting factor. Great Aretha Franklin tune though.

 

[LinoNYC]

I've listened to about 25 minutes so far of the first hour, it sounds very clear but I have heard better AM before, the highs sound artificial and I hear no bottom, I could not listen to sound like this for any length of time. If this is what AM IBOC sounds like I'm certainly not going to rush out to buy one. My radios with wide filters sound much better than this and are not tiring to the ears. The longer I listen the more tiring it becomes. I am running this through the system I mentioned above so my stuff is definitely not the limiting factor. Great Aretha Franklin tune though.

I knew it I just knew!!!!

I was talking to a friend in Bangkok not an hour before you posted the brilliant remarks and said to him " some genius on that particular board is gonna hear these 40 year old amateur recordings and blame it on AM iboc".

I've got news for you Sherlock, I was listening also on an analog KLH wideband and they sounded way worse. The HD is eons better not only in frequency response but in that these recording aren't being re-smashed by an airchain designed for talk not music.

If you want an idea of how much better the resolution is, notice the hum on the hour 1 rec during the Chuck Leonard seg, this 'check was intact and original, at the 34 minute point you can hear hum behind Leonard voice leaking from a cart machine that hasn't closed after the Cosell promo. You'll also hear surface noise and some gating action on the quiet intro of the O.C. Smith record.

I listened to this station back then with a Fisher 800 which had a separate AM section w/three bandwidth settings into AR-3 speakers, only with this high quality equipment could you hear these "defects' , on standard AM sets -not.

Lino

 

[hipporadio]

...I listen to CHWO 740 Toronto quite often on it.

CHWO is awesome... Isn't it a former CBC facility with a really-tall HALF WAVE stick? Their audio sounds great. 1050 CHUM [maybe in the same building] is less-so. CHUM plays music, and they don't sound all that hot - it's like the IBOC filter without the Harris DeathStar in the rack. What goes with them?

 

[LinoNYC]

...I listen to CHWO 740 Toronto quite often on it.

CHWO is awesome... Isn't it a former CBC facility with a really-tall HALF WAVE stick? Their audio sounds great. 1050 CHUM [maybe in the same building] is less-so. CHUM plays music, and they don't sound all that hot - it's like the IBOC filter without the Harris DeathStar in the rack. What goes with them?

I see the sale went through:http://www.oakvillebeaver.com/news/business/article/177142

Note: "What happens now is up to Moses (new owner), but I'm not aware of any specific changes,

You're thinking Yiddish music?

As usual there will be staff cuts, gotta help the new landlord pay back the money he borrowed from other people.

Canada is getting too capitalist.

Lino

 

[KB1OKL]

I've listened to about 25 minutes so far of the first hour, it sounds very clear but I have heard better AM before, the highs sound artificial and I hear no bottom, I could not listen to sound like this for any length of time. If this is what AM IBOC sounds like I'm certainly not going to rush out to buy one. My radios with wide filters sound much better than this and are not tiring to the ears. The longer I listen the more tiring it becomes. I am running this through the system I mentioned above so my stuff is definitely not the limiting factor. Great Aretha Franklin tune though.

I knew it I just knew!!!!

I was talking to a friend in Bangkok not an hour before you posted the brilliant remarks and said to him " some genius on that particular board is gonna hear these 40 year old amateur recordings and blame it on AM iboc".

I've got news for you Sherlock, I was listening also on an analog KLH wideband and they sounded way worse. The HD is eons better not only in frequency response but in that these recording aren't being re-smashed by an airchain designed for talk not music.

If you want an idea of how much better the resolution is, notice the hum on the hour 1 rec during the Chuck Leonard seg, this 'check was intact and original, at the 34 minute point you can hear hum behind Leonard voice leaking from a cart machine that hasn't closed after the Cosell promo. You'll also hear surface noise and some gating action on the quiet intro of the O.C. Smith record.

I listened to this station back then with a Fisher 800 which had a separate AM section w/three bandwidth settings into AR-3 speakers, only with this high quality equipment could you hear these "defects' , on standard AM sets -not.

Lino

So you are telling me that what I heard was recorded direct from a KHL tuner onto what an analog tape deck?
I don't understand your convoluted answer. Whatever I heard it sounded artificial to me.

 

[KB1OKL]

I've listened to about 25 minutes so far of the first hour, it sounds very clear but I have heard better AM before, the highs sound artificial and I hear no bottom, I could not listen to sound like this for any length of time. If this is what AM IBOC sounds like I'm certainly not going to rush out to buy one. My radios with wide filters sound much better than this and are not tiring to the ears. The longer I listen the more tiring it becomes. I am running this through the system I mentioned above so my stuff is definitely not the limiting factor. Great Aretha Franklin tune though.

I knew it I just knew!!!!

I was talking to a friend in Bangkok not an hour before you posted the brilliant remarks and said to him " some genius on that particular board is gonna hear these 40 year old amateur recordings and blame it on AM iboc".

I've got news for you Sherlock, I was listening also on an analog KLH wideband and they sounded way worse. The HD is eons better not only in frequency response but in that these recording aren't being re-smashed by an airchain designed for talk not music.

If you want an idea of how much better the resolution is, notice the hum on the hour 1 rec during the Chuck Leonard seg, this 'check was intact and original, at the 34 minute point you can hear hum behind Leonard voice leaking from a cart machine that hasn't closed after the Cosell promo. You'll also hear surface noise and some gating action on the quiet intro of the O.C. Smith record.

I listened to this station back then with a Fisher 800 which had a separate AM section w/three bandwidth settings into AR-3 speakers, only with this high quality equipment could you hear these "defects' , on standard AM sets -not.

Lino

Scratch my first post, time had passed for too long and I was not able to get this in:

Whatever I heard it sounded artificial to me. Incidentally you might want to think about the fact that insulting others who may not have your complete absolute unequaled brilliant knowledge of the broadcasting industry may be counterproductive. If you explain yourself better so us "geniuses" know exactly what is going on we may better be able to post responses that meet your exacting standards.
If I understand you correctly you taped (or however you recorded it) this from a rebroadcast show from some 40 years ago on an HD radio and compared it to a KLH tuner which you had set up concurrently, correct? If that is wrong please correct me oh oracle of HD. Could it be that the IBOC has seriously degraded the analog signal so bad like on many other IBOC AMer's so that it sounds lousy even on a good analog tuner like an old KLH and that is why it sounds better to you on an IBOC radio?

Sherlock

 

[KB1OKL]

I've listened to about 25 minutes so far of the first hour, it sounds very clear but I have heard better AM before, the highs sound artificial and I hear no bottom, I could not listen to sound like this for any length of time. If this is what AM IBOC sounds like I'm certainly not going to rush out to buy one. My radios with wide filters sound much better than this and are not tiring to the ears. The longer I listen the more tiring it becomes. I am running this through the system I mentioned above so my stuff is definitely not the limiting factor. Great Aretha Franklin tune though.

I knew it I just knew!!!!

I was talking to a friend in Bangkok not an hour before you posted the brilliant remarks and said to him " some genius on that particular board is gonna hear these 40 year old amateur recordings and blame it on AM iboc".

I've got news for you Sherlock, I was listening also on an analog KLH wideband and they sounded way worse. The HD is eons better not only in frequency response but in that these recording aren't being re-smashed by an airchain designed for talk not music.

If you want an idea of how much better the resolution is, notice the hum on the hour 1 rec during the Chuck Leonard seg, this 'check was intact and original, at the 34 minute point you can hear hum behind Leonard voice leaking from a cart machine that hasn't closed after the Cosell promo. You'll also hear surface noise and some gating action on the quiet intro of the O.C. Smith record.

I listened to this station back then with a Fisher 800 which had a separate AM section w/three bandwidth settings into AR-3 speakers, only with this high quality equipment could you hear these "defects' , on standard AM sets -not.

Lino

Lino when are you going to explain your insulting post to me? Was that a recording of a rebroadcasting of old airchecks from the 60's as I thought recorded from an IBOC radio or what?

 

[hipporadio]

I knew it I just knew!!!!

Lino

Lino is a guy I could meet for a lunch that dismissed at 7PM – I’ve had a few of those ;D We are both passionate, but suffer disagreement. We could easily recall by-gone McIntosh components, but agree - it's 2008. I fundamentally disagree with you on the AM HD issue Sir, but I respect you nonetheless. “HD Radio” is a poorly-marketed BOMB on the physics of AM radio. It should have never been authorized in the first place. IT OFFERS LITTLE—it only contributes to the interference that is killing AM for the casual listener. It is little more than a stock-ticker—defective and poorly-marketed... Clearly REJECTED as insignificant by the folks in the marketplace with a vote.

HOW LOW does their stock price have to fall before the corporate radio "genius" finally-realizes they are FAILING in their service and support?

 

[LinoNYC]

Lino when are you going to explain your insulting post to me? Was that a recording of a rebroadcasting of old airchecks from the 60's as I thought recorded from an IBOC radio or what?

From the first post:In glorious hd.

I was listening also on an analog KLH wideband and they sounded way worse. The HD is eons better.....

There you go.


Lino

 

[Tom Wells]

Thank you for posting these, Lino.

I have really enjoyed listening to these, and even my wife enjoyed some of the more obscure songs
she'd never heard before. But I'm not listening on a computer, I'm listening on several different AM radios on AM 1620,
where I "can" hear the artifacting, but just as easily "not hear" it.
The extra step of once again AM modulating the audio does smooth out the rasp a bit, or maybe it's DNR in the airchain here.
If only HD AM sounded that way on my Accurian, I could almost listen to it.

Listening on the computer, it was immediately clear to me that these were from HD decode.

Now that I'm hearing "I want to Hold Your Hand" by the Beatles, I clearly hear the mangling somewhere along the line.
It sounds like an underbiased low-level voltage amp somewhere along the line, kinda "clumpy".

Recordings I dont know so well don't make this effect obvious. But it's distracting if you're listening closely.
It's just like the satellite audio feeds we've been hearing for 20 years.

I want to fix the audio on these, but I know "nothing" is wrong. They just sound that way.

 

[KB1OKL]

Lino when are you going to explain your insulting post to me? Was that a recording of a rebroadcasting of old airchecks from the 60's as I thought recorded from an IBOC radio or what?

From the first post:In glorious hd.

I was listening also on an analog KLH wideband and they sounded way worse. The HD is eons better.....

There you go.

Lino

Alright then I understood you perfectly the first time, why the insults? I could hear the artifact's on my computer from the IBOC also, you'd have to be tone deaf to not hear them, it sounded artificial to me as I said before. I'd like to hear them recorded from your KHL tuner for comparison. I bet the sound would be smoother and more natural, maybe it wouldn't have the highs but then who wants artificial sounding highs anyway?

 

[JohnW]

AR-3s???

I remember AR-3s. Too fat on the bottom, dull muffled mids and NO high end. Sounded as if the highs rolled off steeply at 2K. Some reference ya got there...

 

[LinoNYC]

Re: AR-3s???

I remember AR-3s. Too fat on the bottom, dull muffled mids and NO high end. Sounded as if the highs rolled off steeply at 2K. Some reference ya got there...

All genuflect we have an audiophile in our midst. The older AR's KLH's and most other non-electrostatic speakers had a voicing that would today be considered recessive. In 1988 Henry Kloss told me that this was typical of "the New England sound" -conservative and was in part designed to cover distortion on records and mild multipath on FM.

If however your examples had "no" highs you may have had bad mid/tweeter pots, common problem.

Lino

 

[KB1OKL]

I have 4 of the newer Large Advents, same lineage as the AR's I imagine, they do sound a lot better than any AR's I've heard but then again I haven't heard a whole lot of them. I don't know who you were talking to about not having enough highs but I had too many... well at least artificial ones.
Where are the comparison recordings from the KLH tuner? You must have recorded that also if it sounded as bad as you say it did for a comparison.