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Those Crazy San Diego Ratings

The last few monthlies have produced the most unusual ratings that San Diego has ever seen. It's got me baffled. Is it because People Meters have been introduced to San Diego and that's blown up previous beliefs about Market 17? Or have population trends changed radio listening habits?

1) San Diego ratings are now led by a format that has been abandoned in most other markets... Rhythmic Oldies. Was it about a decade ago that "Jammin' Oldies" was the hot new format around the U.S.? But it quickly came and went in many cities because playing only oldies that are also rhythmic was too small a catagory of hit music. The playlist was too repetitive. Most traditional Oldies stations play a third or more rhythmic hits of the 60s and 70s anyway. And most Soft AC stations also saw the benefit in playing a couple of rhythmic oldies per hour. WLTW New York spins most of the hits of Earth Wind & Fire, Barry White and Donna Summer once every day. I assume XHRM is big with Hispanics over 40. But there are plenty of other markets that have larger Latino populations than San Diego. Why is Rhythmic Oldies #1 in San Diego and hard to find anywhere else? And why is Rhythmic Oldies #1 with People Meters but was ranked only around #10 when diaries were still used?

2) How odd it is that San Diego's #3 radio station is Oldies XHPRS. 105.7, with its transmitter in Mexico, has to deal with a full-power signal at 105.3 licensed to San Diego, limiting its reach into San Diego County. It was never a ratings contender in years past, till an Oldies format was put on the frequency. Meanwhile several other stations in the market abandoned Oldies over the years... XHOCL (which still keeps its "Cool" call letters), KBZT (which still keeps its "Best" call letters) and the former KCBQ-FM. They all moved onto other formats.

3) PPM hasn't been kind to San Diego News-Talk stations. KOGO was sometimes #1 under the diary system and KFMB usually ranked in or near the top five as well. They're both down as are KFI and KNX, two LA 50kw signals that had been strong in San Diego County. Meanwhile, the market's highest power AM station, 690 XEWW, 72kw by day, 50kw by night, finished near the bottom with a Spanish News-Talk format beamed in from XEW Mexico City.

4) Notice the widening gap between Top 40 KHTS and Rhythmic Top 40 XHITZ? Only a fraction of a point used to separate the two, although XHITZ has more competition lately from another Mexican-licensed station in the Rhythmic CHR field, XEMORE.

5) While Rhythmic Oldies and Mainstream Oldies are doing great in the PPM ratings, two other formats aimed at the 40+ audience have not fared as well. Soft AC KYXY and Smooth Jazz KIFM, both #1 not long ago during diary days, are still strong but not like they once were. Usually PPM helps these formats, broadcast in a store or office where meter wearers may not even realize they're hearing these stations. And among adult skewing stations, KSON, once consistantly around #5, is now tied for #13, hurt by competition from country rival KUSS. Are there enough country fans in San Diego to support TWO country stations? Or were not enough meters distributed in Northern San Diego County, where the older listeners likely live?

6) In many markets, rock stations have been helped by PPM. But that's especially true in San Diego. KGB, KIOZ, KBZT, XETRA-FM and KPRI all got a boost, as did CBS's KSCF, a former Howard Stern affiliate that's been struggling since he left terrestrial radio. CBS has been turning over formats on 105.3 more frequently than McDonald's turns over fry cooks. But thanks to People Meters, KSCF is now in the profitable threes. With its recently-adopted Modern AC format, it's right behind KSON.

7) Which Spanish language station is tops? That's hard to say since Univision hasn't encoded Regional Mexican KLNV or Spanish Adult Hits KLQV for People Meters. They're both missing from the ratings. So by default, the top Spanish language station is XHLTN, which had been the leader back in the 70s and 80s as a Spanish Easy Listening/Soft AC outlet. It's now Spanish Pop Hits, which I guess is the closest format to AC these days for Latin stations.

8) By the way, how does a major national station owner like Univision NEGLECT to encode the signals on its two big San Diego FMs? Is this evidence that ratings don't really matter on Latin radio? As long as you're putting out a signal, you'll get ad buys? Advertisers (who likely don't speak Spanish) will still buy time whether you're getting a three share or a point three share? Don't programmers and DJs have incentives in their contracts that can't be met if there are no ratings? How can AM stations in Tijuana such as 860 XEMO and 1470 XERCN, which probably DON'T get much U.S. advertising, remember to encode their signals but Univision can't?

9) Since XHRM became San Diego's top radio station, this is the first time that a foreign-licensed radio station is #1 in a U.S. market. Until now, stations starting with either a "W" or a "K" were always at the top of all ratings. XETRA-FM and XHITZ were often in the Top 5 in years past in San Diego but never #1. Mexican stations score well in El Paso, McAllen-Brownsville-Harligen and other border markets. Canadian stations show up in Detroit, Buffalo, Toledo, Rochester, Watertown and Burlington-Plattsburgh ratings but never at #1. CKLW apparently never finished first in Detroit, even in its fabled Top 40 days.


Gregg
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Gregg said:
8) By the way, how does a major national station owner like Univision NEGLECT to encode the signals on its two big San Diego FMs?

Good ratings matter. The PPM is still not MRC accredited in markets like NYC, LA and Chicago. That indicates that the ratings are not yet well done.

Is this evidence that ratings don't really matter on Latin radio? As long as you're putting out a signal, you'll get ad buys? Advertisers (who likely don't speak Spanish)

The majority of buys are by total English speakers... unless the folks at P&G in Ohio all bought Rosetta Stone courses last week. Ratings are important, but not if they are not well done, as would be indicated by MRC accreditation.
 
Gregg said:
9) Since XHRM became San Diego's top radio station, this is the first time that a foreign-licensed radio station is #1 in a U.S. market. Until now, stations starting with either a "W" or a "K" were always at the top of all ratings. XETRA-FM and XHITZ were often in the Top 5 in years past in San Diego but never #1.

I seem to recall that there were times in the 90's at least that Jammin' Z-90 was number 1 in 12+.

As for other changes: well I think it reflects the fact that there were some types of people much more likely to take the time to fill in a diary and if got one and happened to be, say, a talk radio zealot, you didn't have to do much to skew the ratings for your favorite station. That was such an archaic way of tracking audience and it's probably yet another sign of why most radio is bad: music decisions made by computers based on focus groups and ratings based on the kind of people who actually have the time to keep paper diaries in today's fast-paced world.
 
JON BRUCE said:
Wasn't XETRA 690 #1 in 1981 when they were in double digits ?

The full year 1981 12+ for XETRA AM was a 3.4. That ranked it 9th.
 
XHTZ/90.3 has only had two #1 books, Winter and Summer 2003.

The last time XETRA/690 was number one in the San Diego Arbitron was Oct/Nov 1974, when it had an 8.0 share. It did have double digits at that point, nor did it register any after that.
 
Gregg said:
1) San Diego ratings are now led by a format that has been abandoned in most other markets... Why is Rhythmic Oldies #1 in San Diego and hard to find anywhere else? And why is Rhythmic Oldies #1 with People Meters but was ranked only around #10 when diaries were still used?

Like Mr. Hudson says, this comes down to the type of folks likely to fill in diaries. People who listen to 92.5 are more likely to be on the go, don't want to be bothered writing down what they listen to. And Oldies, especially soul or Latin-appeal oldies, have always played well in SD.

2) How odd it is that San Diego's #3 radio station is Oldies XHPRS. 105.7, with its transmitter in Mexico, has to deal with a full-power signal at 105.3 licensed to San Diego, limiting its reach into San Diego County. It was never a ratings contender in years past, till an Oldies format was put on the frequency. Meanwhile several other stations in the market abandoned Oldies over the years... XHOCL (which still keeps its "Cool" call letters), KBZT (which still keeps its "Best" call letters) and the former KCBQ-FM. They all moved onto other formats.

Not that surprising, since Mason has a very wide playlist. Past oldies stations here inevitably over-researched and tightened their playlists, leading to audience burnout. I'll bet the Walrus has really excellent TSL.

5) Soft AC KYXY and Smooth Jazz KIFM, both #1 not long ago during diary days, are still strong but not like they once were. Usually PPM helps these formats, broadcast in a store or office where meter wearers may not even realize they're hearing these stations.

Back in the day, KYXY and KJOY were office staples, mandated by managers who didn't want "that rock and roll" in their place of business. My seat of the pants unscientific survey tells me that, firstly, office listening has transitioned from over-the-air to Internet streaming, and also that musical styles not acceptable in the office 20 years ago are now mainstream as the older managers who objected have cycled out of the job market.

And among adult skewing stations, KSON, once consistantly around #5, is now tied for #13, hurt by competition from country rival KUSS. Are there enough country fans in San Diego to support TWO country stations? Or were not enough meters distributed in Northern San Diego County, where the older listeners likely live?

The Country format boom was 25 years ago. And many Country listeners in San Diego have traditionally been transient - military folks who came from the Midwest or South. I don't think there are enough left to support two stations.

8) By the way, how does a major national station owner like Univision NEGLECT to encode the signals on its two big San Diego FMs?

I think this speaks more to Univision's financial condition and understaffed engineering departments than any dismissal of ratings importance. Just my humble opinion.

-- Doc
 
DoctorWu said:
Not that surprising, since Mason has a very wide playlist. Past oldies stations here inevitably over-researched and tightened their playlists, leading to audience burnout. I'll bet the Walrus has really excellent TSL.

Nah. In PPM, TSL is extremely compressed. From what I am told, the difference in weekly TSL between The Walrus and XHRM is less than 25 minutes a week.

By the way, how does a major national station owner like Univision NEGLECT to encode the signals on its two big San Diego FMs?

I think this speaks more to Univision's financial condition and understaffed engineering departments than any dismissal of ratings importance. Just my humble opinion.

First, Univsion is not encoding by choice. There are many articles on this, indicating that encoding is being withheld due to lack of MRC accreditation and methodology concerns. Futher, there is a statement in the Arbitron comments regarding Q2 performance about Univision not renewing contracts for PPM markets.

On the other hand, Univision just purchased the venerable WQXR-FM in New York, so your made-up "financial condition" statement hardly applies.
 
JON BRUCE said:
Wasn't XETRA 690 #1 in 1981 when they were in double digits ?

Jon, what have you been smoking? XETRA was never #1 and they never had double digits...(maybe with 12 year old girls) It was a horrible sounding station (he Mighty 690) that had no adult appeal at all...unless you wanted to hear some bad pre-teen music pounded over and over again..such as Turning Japanese, Shaddup You Face, etc.
 
DavidEduardo said:
In PPM, TSL is extremely compressed. From what I am told, the difference in weekly TSL between The Walrus and XHRM is less than 25 minutes a week.

Well, thanks for that info. Guess I was thinking from a paper-diary standpoint (old skool, ya know).

First, Univsion is not encoding by choice. There are many articles on this, indicating that encoding is being withheld due to lack of MRC accreditation and methodology concerns. Futher, there is a statement in the Arbitron comments regarding Q2 performance about Univision not renewing contracts for PPM markets.

Ah. I worked for some station owners like that. "I don't like the ratings, so I'm not renewing." Some things never change.

On the other hand, Univision just purchased the venerable WQXR-FM in New York, so your made-up "financial condition" statement hardly applies.

Excuse me, but I have NEVER, in all the years I've been on this board, cast aspersions on any of your assertions. Challenged occasionally, but you'll note that I'm NOT one of those who delights in picking apart every little thing you say. So how dare you proclaim that I have "made up" something? You don't know me, and you don't know who I know. I am not a liar, firestarter or rumor-monger.

I know many people within the management and rank-and-file at Univision, and I stand by my statement.

-- Doc
 
DoctorWu said:
Well, thanks for that info. Guess I was thinking from a paper-diary standpoint (old skool, ya know).

I ran another market, Dallas, on a recent set of months in PPM and, for the top 20 stations, the range of TSL is 2:00 to 6:30 hours a week for these "big" stations. If we exclude sports talker KTCK, the range is 2:00 to 4:30 for the other 19. In in a recent diary book, the range for "top" stations was 10:00 to 4:15. So stations are off around 2/3 of the weekly hours previously reported.

Ah. I worked for some station owners like that. "I don't like the ratings, so I'm not renewing." Some things never change.

In some cases, the fundamental issue is not "we don't look good" but that "radio does not look good" because the methodology and/or the sampling is not adequate. More important that what one group does is the fact that the PPM is not accredited in all but 2 of the roll out markets. And one of the accreditations is in a market that uses a different recruit method and a different incentive schedule... and Univision is subscribed in that market.

Go figure.

Excuse me, but I have NEVER, in all the years I've been on this board, cast aspersions on any of your assertions. Challenged occasionally, but you'll note that I'm NOT one of those who delights in picking apart every little thing you say. So how dare you proclaim that I have "made up" something? You don't know me, and you don't know who I know. I am not a liar, firestarter or rumor-monger.

You have, indeed, made up the tale about, and I paraphrase, "not subscribing to the ratings to save money." The move will likely be a costly one, but it is intended to fix a broken survey that is not accredited by the MRC.
 
DavidEduardo said:
You have, indeed, made up the tale about, and I paraphrase, "not subscribing to the ratings to save money."

That is a mighty fast-and-loose paraphrase. Please re-read my posts. I said nothing of the sort.

We're done talking now.

-- Doc
 
DoctorWu said:
DavidEduardo said:
You have, indeed, made up the tale about, and I paraphrase, "not subscribing to the ratings to save money."

That is a mighty fast-and-loose paraphrase. Please re-read my posts. I said nothing of the sort.

We're done talking now.

-- Doc

No, here's what you said:

"I think this speaks more to Univision's financial condition and understaffed engineering departments than any dismissal of ratings importance. Just my humble opinion."

I think his paraphrase was pretty spot-on.
 
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