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Those song edits? Does anyone care?

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Groove1670

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Listening to my favorite rhythmic and rock stations. I notice that those songs with clean edits have words that are clipped shorter and shorter. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what is being said.

Is your station cleaning up the so called edits more. Does it matter, or is the word I'm hearing actually not there, and mind says I'm hearing it. ;D

A few years back the a whole word was taken out of the edit. Now that doesn't seen to be the case.

A good example Nicki Minaj "Starships" not much of an edit on the F word.

I know one of the big groups was playing the other version of "Tonight I'm Loving You" in PM Drive, once again very little of the ? word was clipped.

Your comments.
 
Enrique's "Tonight" (and Cee-Lo's) "Forget You" with edits of "****" as opposed to "loving" or "forget" sound corny, and I thought Nicki was singing "we're higher than the moon."
 
musiconradio.com said:
Listening to my favorite rhythmic and rock stations. I notice that those songs with clean edits have words that are clipped shorter and shorter. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what is being said.

Is your station cleaning up the so called edits more. Does it matter, or is the word I'm hearing actually not there, and mind says I'm hearing it. ;D

A few years back the a whole word was taken out of the edit. Now that doesn't seen to be the case.

A good example Nicki Minaj "Starships" not much of an edit on the F word.

I know one of the big groups was playing the other version of "Tonight I'm Loving You" in PM Drive, once again very little of the ? word was clipped.

Your comments.
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I edit further... I'm in the Bible Belt. You are correct, they leave little to the imagination.
 
One I heard just tonight, Finger11 - Paralizer "So far it's been sh*tty just barely edited, anyone could tell what the word was. Same with We Run the Night by Pitbull, the edit is done so you could still tell what the word was. On ITunes, the unedited version has the explicit label? I really don't get the labels, there are some songs I have downloaded that do not have the explicit label that are more explicit than ones that do. Back to the topic though, the Finger11 edit is on the same station that edits the word drugs out of Nickelback's Rock Star, does that make sense? This is the same station that does a terrible job of editing Party Rock Anthem.
 
This reminds me of way back in the dark ages, when I used to work in the radio industry. We once got a promo CD single of an urban artist.

Of course, there was a 'clean radio edit'. The record company edited out the "n" word, but left in the "sh" word complete.

Why a record company wouldn't have edited both out, I don't know.
 
Definately not your imagination, the edits are getting more and more borderline. In the 90s-early 2000s it was still common to remove the word, replace it, throw a sound effect over it or reverse it. The latter two were the lamest of all, thought the reversing, in my mind did work well with hip hop and certain industrial/electronic music, but fell apart with rock.
 
Info-warrior said:
Definately not your imagination, the edits are getting more and more borderline. In the 90s-early 2000s it was still common to remove the word, replace it, throw a sound effect over it or reverse it. The latter two were the lamest of all, thought the reversing, in my mind did work well with hip hop and certain industrial/electronic music, but fell apart with rock.
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My favorite edits are where the entire word are muted and the instrumental continues. I used to be a fan of reversing in hip-hop, but when the word count got so high, it became too repetative.

The current trend of pitching the word down is more and more risky.
 
I do think the FCC should set some specific guidelines on what constitutes an acceptable edit. Another thing I think should be addressed, though it's slightly off topic for a radio board, is how songs should be labeled. I can think of 3 songs all released in the last 2 years that on ITunes have the Explicit label even though they only have one curse word. These are Chris Brown - Yeah 3X, Fun - Some Nights, and Havana Brown F Pitbull - We Run the Night, yet Young, Wild and Free does not have that label and I would considder it more explicit than any of the other 3. Another thing I do not like is stations that do additional editing. If I were programming a station in any format, if a single comes with a radio edit, that's the one that gets played. The only exceptions would be if the radio edit is actually a no-rap edit and I am programming CHR or rhythmic.
 
bobdavcav said:
I do think the FCC should set some specific guidelines on what constitutes an acceptable edit.
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The FCC does not get involved in that kind of programming issues.

Profanity and obscenity? Yes. Song edits, fades, remixes, etc? No way.
 
I think the iTunes issue has to do with whether the album has a warning or not. I downloaded the Scorpions "Wind of Change" from there and it has an explicit tag next to it and there is absolutely nothing profane in that tune. Yet Queensryche's song "Revolution Calling" doesn't have a warning even though it contains the word bull----. I guess at the time the album Operation Mindcrime came out, the warning labels were voluntary no one ever decided to retroactively apply one to this album.
 
DavidEduardo said:
bobdavcav said:
I do think the FCC should set some specific guidelines on what constitutes an acceptable edit.
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The FCC does not get involved in that kind of programming issues.

Profanity and obscenity? Yes. Song edits, fades, remixes, etc? No way.
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Can you imagine what kind of mess it would be if they DID try to regulate how edits are done?

I think things are fine now. Do whatever you think sounds best to keep the naughty words off the air.
 
Producer Guy you're probably right. However, I don't understand how just pitching a word down protects children? If I understand correctly, that's the main reason that they need to edit in the first place. Yes, maybe very young children may not know the word being pitched down, but they'll understand sooner than later, but they have a less likely chance of that if the word is completely cut out. Info Warrior, I'm not sure what you mean? I have 2 songs off of one album where one has the explicit label and the other doesn't, but I really think those should be switched. I've also seen albums that have a parental advisory Drake's Thank Me Later is one example of this, but not all the songs have that label, just the majority of them. In the case of the album mentioned above, all but 4 songs have the explicit tag.
 
Hmm, maybe iTunes is tagging individual songs now. Last time I bought a song from them, several years ago, it seemed that if the album was sold with a parental warning on it all the songs got the explicit tag regardles of whether they're clean or not. Wind of Change was tagged as explicit, but Revolution Calling and the other songs on the Queensryche album were not.

I stopped buying songs on iTunes due to quality issues, but I've heard they are now encoding at 256k.
 
chriscollins said:
My favorite edits are where the entire word are muted and the instrumental continues.
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This is what "The Rock" here in Nashville now does with the three "******" references in the second verse of "Money for Nothing" by Dire Straits. Seems kinda silly to censor that one now, after we have been hearing it uncensored for the past 25 years! (Many stations are now omitting the second verse entirely!)

Agreed with the earlier comment about omitting the word "drugs" from "Rockstar." This is becoming akin to a "nanny state," playing "big brother," and I don't like it at all.
 
firepoint525 said:
chriscollins said:
My favorite edits are where the entire word are muted and the instrumental continues.
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This is what "The Rock" here in Nashville now does with the three "******" references in the second verse of "Money for Nothing" by Dire Straits. Seems kinda silly to censor that one now, after we have been hearing it uncensored for the past 25 years! (Many stations are now omitting the second verse entirely!)

Agreed with the earlier comment about omitting the word "drugs" from "Rockstar." This is becoming akin to a "nanny state," playing "big brother," and I don't like it at all.
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That censored version of Money for Nothing has been around for ages. At least 15-20 years. The word "******" has been on the no-no list at many stations for a long time.

Which of course is funny, because in the context of the song, the word is being used to make fun of the people who bash feminine looking rock stars.
 
I love rapless edits and wish there was a place you could get them.
I like the song with the edit, but without it? nah it sucks.
 
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