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Thought About Terrestrial Radio

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kaos1972

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With the recent jump of Howard Stern to Sirius and the awesome amount of diverse channels they offer as well as XM, how long do think it will be before terrestrial radio programmers are out on their asses due to the sinking variety of music not to mention the boring morning shows they have been producing over the past few years. "Air Radio" sucks, it just goes to show you that when companies chew up and spit out smaller companies sometimes it isn't for the better, sometimes the individual focus of a market is lost, due to higher up execs trying to brew a formula that they can stick in every market (can we say CC). Just look at local radio today, and I have heard plenty of other people complaining about boring "air radio" in other markets.
 
> With the recent jump of Howard Stern to Sirius and the
> awesome amount of diverse channels they offer as well as XM,
> how long do think it will be before terrestrial radio
> programmers are out on their asses due to the sinking
> variety of music not to mention the boring morning shows
> they have been producing over the past few years. "Air
> Radio" sucks, it just goes to show you that when companies
> chew up and spit out smaller companies sometimes it isn't
> for the better, sometimes the individual focus of a market
> is lost, due to higher up execs trying to brew a formula
> that they can stick in every market (can we say CC). Just
> look at local radio today, and I have heard plenty of other
> people complaining about boring "air radio" in other
> markets.
>


Well as a proud subscriber of XM, I can and will tout XM to all that will listen.
 
With no offense I think this should of been in the Satellite radio boards, this is local radio, I have complained about radio mostly though in the San antonio market, only trying to make it more funner to listen. I've been enjoing more and more of Houston area radio, I just hope that the HD radio will always be free.
<P ID="signature">______________
jras20</P>
 
this message was questioning "air radio" and its stale programming direction and is the reason I switched to Sirius. I only used satellite radio as a reference to describe how much better music and talk as well as the overall programming is on Sirius or XM, whichever you choose. So therefore I think the topic "fits" on this board. It doesn't matter if radio is free or not, if the PD's don't start programming some better content for listeners to listen too, nobody will listen free or not. I think more variety (deeper playlists) would work better (not the same songs everyday), but that is just my opinion. This is from a listener not a "insider" so I think my my objectiveness is worthy.


> With no offense I think this should of been in the Satellite
> radio boards, this is local radio, I have complained about
> radio mostly though in the San antonio market, only trying
> to make it more funner to listen. I've been enjoing more
> and more of Houston area radio, I just hope that the HD
> radio will always be free.
>
 
> this message was questioning "air radio" and its stale
> programming direction and is the reason I switched to
> Sirius. I only used satellite radio as a reference to
> describe how much better music and talk as well as the
> overall programming is on Sirius or XM, whichever you
> choose. So therefore I think the topic "fits" on this
> board. It doesn't matter if radio is free or not, if the
> PD's don't start programming some better content for
> listeners to listen too, nobody will listen free or not. I
> think more variety (deeper playlists) would work better (not
> the same songs everyday), but that is just my opinion. This
> is from a listener not a "insider" so I think my my
> objectiveness is worthy.
>
>
> > With no offense I think this should of been in the
> Satellite
> > radio boards, this is local radio, I have complained about
>
> > radio mostly though in the San antonio market, only trying
>
> > to make it more funner to listen. I've been enjoing more
> > and more of Houston area radio, I just hope that the HD
> > radio will always be free.
> >
>











Who said Radio is free? You still have to pay to listen to FM an AM Radio. You get about 12 to 17 mins of it each hour, in your face an in your ears.
Commercials. How can anyone listen to it? Yes, I know commercials are how stations bring in revenue. Commercial Radio sucks an keeps sucking. Grab XM!

Well worth the 140 bucks a year(XM Radio)for commecial free entertainment!
Superb!
 
> Who said Radio is free? You still have to pay to listen to
> FM an AM Radio. You get about 12 to 17 mins of it each hour,
> in your face an in your ears.
> Commercials. How can anyone listen to it? Yes, I know
> commercials are how stations bring in revenue. Commercial
> Radio sucks an keeps sucking. Grab XM!
>
> Well worth the 140 bucks a year(XM Radio)for commecial free
> entertainment!
> Superb!

I didn't realize I had navigated to the XM board. Silly me. Could we shamelessly plug XM elsewhere? There is an entire board dedicated to XM on your left. Enjoy.
 
> With the recent jump of Howard Stern to Sirius and the
> awesome amount of diverse channels they offer as well as XM,
> how long do think it will be before terrestrial radio
> programmers are out on their asses due to the sinking
> variety of music not to mention the boring morning shows
> they have been producing over the past few years.

On terrestrial radio..Stern was special..he couldn't cross lines..and listeners tuned in to see how close he could get to the line. Now, he's unbridled. The novelty is gone. How many times can you hear the words he couldn't say..and things he couldn't do? And will the audience be willing to pay to hear him? Time will tell. But my opinion is he won't bring the subscriptions they are hoping for. Recent reports also show the number of
subscribers is suspect. Numbers are inflated .. example..listener base is predicated on the number of internet radios installed in new cars. Not all convert to subscribers. Estimates have been increased as to the subscriber base neeeded to meet any kind of goal for Stern. I think Howard has brought a uniqueness to radio, but his time may be over.

As for music on terrestrial radio, don't sell it short. We're in a transition as to the role we will play in the future. I think we will adapt and come back
with an alternative. Of course, just my opinion.>
 
Shirley you can't be Sirius!

(duck and cover)

> I didn't realize I had navigated to the XM board. Silly me.
> Could we shamelessly plug XM elsewhere? There is an entire
> board dedicated to XM on your left. Enjoy.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Because you dance to disco but you still like rock.</P>
 
> Shirley you can't be Sirius!
>
> (duck and cover)
>
> > I didn't realize I had navigated to the XM board. Silly
> me.
> > Could we shamelessly plug XM elsewhere? There is an entire
>
> > board dedicated to XM on your left. Enjoy.
> >
>
:) Yeah, I am.
 
> this message was questioning "air radio" and its stale
> programming direction and is the reason I switched to
> Sirius. I only used satellite radio as a reference to
> describe how much better music and talk as well as the
> overall programming is on Sirius or XM, whichever you
> choose. So therefore I think the topic "fits" on this
> board. It doesn't matter if radio is free or not, if the
> PD's don't start programming some better content for
> listeners to listen too, nobody will listen free or not. I
> think more variety (deeper playlists) would work better (not
> the same songs everyday), but that is just my opinion. This
> is from a listener not a "insider" so I think my my
> objectiveness is worthy.
>
True, I know though I half to admit, last year about this time I was about very close to bite the bullet and get XM radio, radio around here was so stale, it wasnt even funny, but finaly it is getting better in my opinion.
<P ID="signature">______________
jras20</P>
 
> > Shirley you can't be Sirius!
> >
> > (duck and cover)
> >
> > > I didn't realize I had navigated to the XM board. Silly
> > me.
> > > Could we shamelessly plug XM elsewhere? There is an
> entire
> >
> > > board dedicated to XM on your left. Enjoy.
> > >
> >
> :) Yeah, I am.

And don't call me Shirley.
 
> > With the recent jump of Howard Stern to Sirius and the
> > awesome amount of diverse channels they offer as well as
> XM,
> > how long do think it will be before terrestrial radio
> > programmers are out on their asses due to the sinking
> > variety of music not to mention the boring morning shows
> > they have been producing over the past few years.
>
> On terrestrial radio..Stern was special..he couldn't cross
> lines..and listeners tuned in to see how close he could get
> to the line. Now, he's unbridled. The novelty is gone. How
> many times can you hear the words he couldn't say..and
> things he couldn't do? And will the audience be willing to
> pay to hear him? Time will tell. But my opinion is he won't
> bring the subscriptions they are hoping for. Recent reports
> also show the number of
> subscribers is suspect. Numbers are inflated ..
> example..listener base is predicated on the number of
> internet radios installed in new cars. Not all convert to
> subscribers. Estimates have been increased as to the
> subscriber base neeeded to meet any kind of goal for Stern.
> I think Howard has brought a uniqueness to radio, but his
> time may be over.
>
> As for music on terrestrial radio, don't sell it short.
> We're in a transition as to the role we will play in the
> future. I think we will adapt and come back
> with an alternative. Of course, just my opinion.>
>
My 19 year old niece told me to tell you "Don't hold you breath about that last comment." "She says the variety on terrestrial radio stinks and she will stick to her I-pod and her own CD collection cause she hears what she wants when she wants it, with no DJ BS or commericials to spoil the flow of music or the great variety of music they bring."
 
>
> My 19 year old niece told me to tell you "Don't hold you
> breath about that last comment." "She says the variety on
> terrestrial radio stinks and she will stick to her I-pod and
> her own CD collection cause she hears what she wants when
> she wants it, with no DJ BS or commericials to spoil the
> flow of music or the great variety of music they bring."
>


And that is exactly 100% correct! The genie is out of the bottle and can never be put back in. The listener now has 100% control of the music selection. The very idea of a radio station feeding the listener a playlist is prehistoric.

Playlists are good for grocery stores but not for the individual.


JMHO
 
> On terrestrial radio..Stern was special..he couldn't cross
> lines..and listeners tuned in to see how close he could get
> to the line. Now, he's unbridled. The novelty is gone. How
> many times can you hear the words he couldn't say..and
> things he couldn't do?

Considering that Howard's alleged best bit last week was speaking on the phone to Jessica Hahn while she was getting a Brazilian wax, I'd say that the sun is setting on Howard Stern.<P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
> My 19 year old niece told me to tell you "Don't hold you
> breath about that last comment." "She says the variety on
> terrestrial radio stinks and she will stick to her I-pod and
> her own CD collection cause she hears what she wants when
> she wants it, with no DJ BS or commericials to spoil the
> flow of music or the great variety of music they bring."

Stations that promise "more variety" are usually the ones who play the same types of songs over and over.

The stations that succeed are the ones who fufill their promises to their listeners. The audience is too smart to be fooled by a slogan. You have to actually meet their expectations. <P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
Terrestrial radio has been declared dead several times over the years and it still is here. AM was declared dead when FM became the dominate band, what it did was open up the AM band for Talk, Sports, News and many foreign language radio stations when the music moved to FM. So AM radio definitly plays an important role in radio to this day. In a fair amount of cities the number one station is a News-Talk AM station.

Will terrestrial radio meet its' maker this time around? I doubt it seriously, but there will have to be some major adjustments made to AM and FM to stay in the game. The most likely is that stations will have to end the cookie cutter formats and become heavily involved with the community to stay viable. With Internet Radio and stations where with a few keystrokes you create your own station that plays the music you like without having to actually choose the songs, it makes terrestrial radio a distant second choice when at home or office.

Radio stations are still selling at record prices, but while I had a dream of owning a station for years, today if I had the money to buy a station or group of stations I would give the idea very serious thought and likely would not invest in terrestrial radio today. Those that are 25 and younger do not even consider radio as the primary source for music or news today. Just as radio abandoned people when they reached the age of 65 as not an important listener, the younger generation was listening to MP3's and Internet Radio and have little use for terrestrial radio. AM radio is in it's 80's and FM is in it's 40's for practical purposes, although FM has been available for more years than that. AM radio is past the age it decided people of that age where not worthy of programming and FM is fast approaching the golden years of its' life. Bottom line AM radio is past its' time and FM is fast reaching the age it considers not important. Now the tables are turned, ain't pay back a bitch.

HD Radio will not be the savior of terrestrial radio, it is too little too late. I have not read one article where the vast majority of the average listeners are even aware of or understands HD-R and the few that do know about HD-R the attitude is so what. This does not bode well for HD-R in the long term. It is generating buzz on radio boards but very little elsewhere. The general public does not care about HD radio any more than they did about quad sound (if you are old enough to remember that from FM) and is not going to spend even $20 more for a HD radio in the house, car or at work.

The National Radio Systems Committee could not come up with a standard for how the other channels of HD radio would be labeled. HD1, HD2, HD3, and so on or use actual frequencies, even if the station was not on that frequency, such as starting at 108.1 and going up and labeling the stations that way. HD2 of The Arrow might become 109.7 Kxxx. Apparently today to get the HD2 or HD3 channel you have to go to the HD1 main channel and tune from there. You can not go directly to the HD2 channel without first listening to the HD1 channel. I have not even seen an HD radio so have no experience with them and can't vouch for the validity of the above statement.

If terrestrial radio is in good shape, why is nearly every station streaming audio today to be sure and be part of Internet Radio?

Mike O
 
> Terrestrial radio has been declared dead several times over
> the years and it still is here. AM was declared dead when
> FM became the dominate band, what it did was open up the
> AM band for Talk, Sports, News and many foreign language
> radio stations when the music moved to FM. So AM radio
> definitly plays an important role in radio to this day. In
> a fair amount of cities the number one station is a
> News-Talk AM station.
>
> Will terrestrial radio meet its' maker this time around? I
> doubt it seriously, but there will have to be some major
> adjustments made to AM and FM to stay in the game. The most
> likely is that stations will have to end the cookie cutter
> formats and become heavily involved with the community to
> stay viable. With Internet Radio and stations where with a
> few keystrokes you create your own station that plays the
> music you like without having to actually choose the songs,
> it makes terrestrial radio a distant second choice when at
> home or office.
>
> Radio stations are still selling at record prices, but while
> I had a dream of owning a station for years, today if I had
> the money to buy a station or group of stations I would give
> the idea very serious thought and likely would not invest in
> terrestrial radio today. Those that are 25 and younger do
> not even consider radio as the primary source for music or
> news today. Just as radio abandoned people when they
> reached the age of 65 as not an important listener, the
> younger generation was listening to MP3's and Internet Radio
> and have little use for terrestrial radio. AM radio is in
> it's 80's and FM is in it's 40's for practical purposes,
> although FM has been available for more years than that. AM
> radio is past the age it decided people of that age where
> not worthy of programming and FM is fast approaching the
> golden years of its' life. Bottom line AM radio is past
> its' time and FM is fast reaching the age it considers not
> important. Now the tables are turned, ain't pay back a
> bitch.
>
> HD Radio will not be the savior of terrestrial radio, it is
> too little too late. I have not read one article where the
> vast majority of the average listeners are even aware of or
> understands HD-R and the few that do know about HD-R the
> attitude is so what. This does not bode well for HD-R in
> the long term. It is generating buzz on radio boards but
> very little elsewhere. The general public does not care
> about HD radio any more than they did about quad sound (if
> you are old enough to remember that from FM) and is not
> going to spend even $20 more for a HD radio in the house,
> car or at work.
>
> The National Radio Systems Committee could not come up with
> a standard for how the other channels of HD radio would be
> labeled. HD1, HD2, HD3, and so on or use actual
> frequencies, even if the station was not on that frequency,
> such as starting at 108.1 and going up and labeling the
> stations that way. HD2 of The Arrow might become 109.7
> Kxxx. Apparently today to get the HD2 or HD3 channel you
> have to go to the HD1 main channel and tune from there. You
> can not go directly to the HD2 channel without first
> listening to the HD1 channel. I have not even seen an HD
> radio so have no experience with them and can't vouch for
> the validity of the above statement.
>
> If terrestrial radio is in good shape, why is nearly every
> station streaming audio today to be sure and be part of
> Internet Radio?
>
> Mike O
>


The Kenwood KTC-HR100TR tuner will tune directly into the HD2 channel if you seek towards the frequency from a higher frequency. Also, it will allow you to set the HD2 as a preset, bypassing the HD1.
 
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