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Thoughts on CBS-FM Success and Personalities

Audacy will likely do things on the cheap and use only one host in morning drive. It is quite possible that they will move Race Taylor into the morning slot. They will try to maintain listeners in the 25-54 age group, Thus, they will likely move more 90s music into the mix.
It’s not cheap. It’s reality.
Shannon is smart to retire now. The days of the big ensemble morning show are more or less over, and sounds really dated. I loved it in the 80s, but not so much now. The bits are worn, and the endless stopsets are intolerable.

Just give me a short bit of useful information and get on with it. Race is a good choice as he sounds good and has the skills to keep the format’s momentum going.
 
I hope they come to their senses and truly make it an oldies station once again!!! I'm sure they can make it work, playing 50s through 2000s!!!
They (assuming Audacy), along with every other operator, have already came to their senses. Oldies is not viable for advertisers, and thus as a format, in market #1.
 
The days of the big ensemble morning show are more or less over, and sounds really dated. I loved it in the 80s, but not so much now. The bits are worn, and the endless stopsets are intolerable.
I agree with the first part of that post but not this. There are a number of morning shows that, granted, have been on for a long time, but are quite successful. Preston & Steve, Elvis Duran, The Breakfast Club are just a few large morning shows that perform well with young listeners.

Radio's strength in 2022 is personality. The music is important, but without strong personalities the station will suffer, especially in morning drive. I think Race Taylor is the choice for mornings on CBS-FM, and he will likely be joined with co-hosts in time.
 
But it's still their primary competition due to the overlap in playlist and demos, that's what matters.
It's among the primary competition, not the only one. The Nielsen software allows views of station cume sharing, and you'd see CBS-FM sharing with Mega, the all-news stations, the PBS options, classic rock and even the K-Love outlet.

Because there are exactly and only 100 shares to be divided up, every station competes with every other station.
 
Does WBEB and WOGL in Philadelphia despite being owned by the same company target the same audience
As mentioned before, every station competes and does some degree of importance.

So as not to reveal current data, I went back to just prior to the pandemic and here is the NYC sharing with WCBS FM:

CBS-FM 100%
WLTW 42%
WAXQ 28%
WKTU 26%
WHTZ 25%
WNEW 24%
WPLJ 21%
WNYL 16%
WINS 14%
WBLS 14%
WSKQ 13%
WQHT 12%
WWPR 11%
WFAN 10%
WNSH 10%
WCBS AM 9%
WPAT 7%

All the way down WBAI at 0.7%
 
It's among the primary competition, not the only one. The Nielsen software allows views of station cume sharing, and you'd see CBS-FM sharing with Mega, the all-news stations, the PBS options, classic rock and even the K-Love outlet.

Because there are exactly and only 100 shares to be divided up, every station competes with every other station.
David, constantly: "Spanish is a language, not a format."

Me, constantly: "PBS is TV, not radio." 😛
 
David, constantly: "Spanish is a language, not a format."

Me, constantly: "PBS is TV, not radio." 😛
Sorry. I always do that, as most nations have one entity for both audio only and TV services. CBC, RAI, BBC, NHK and the like.

I've never asked or researched: why are NPR and PBS separate entities in the US?
 
I've never asked or researched: why are NPR and PBS separate entities in the US?

I imagine the answer is because the others were founded originally as radio-only services and later added TV, while PBS started in 1969 and NPR in 1970, building on different heritages. To make matters more interesting, NPR creates some of its own programming internally, while PBS doesn't. They're very different operations, although locally, some organizations bring the two together under the same roof.
 
Sorry. I always do that, as most nations have one entity for both audio only and TV services. CBC, RAI, BBC, NHK and the like.

I've never asked or researched: why are NPR and PBS separate entities in the US?
Radio was an afterthought to the act that created CPB. The concept was to have as decentralized a system as possible (in part to keep it from becoming a real competitive threat to commercial networks), which is why CPB funding ended up being spread widely across hundreds of local and regional radio and TV licensees and a variety of national program producers and distributors. PBS was established pretty quickly once CPB funding became available, because the main goal of the legislation was to create a national interconnection and distribution system for TV. The radio funding and creation of NPR took a little longer and involved what was then a fairly small group of existing university and public school FM licensees, mostly separate from the existing TV licensees.
 
That is more than a decade away. In 25-34, 80% of all persons in metered markets use radio. That is not the same as "all the music they have listened to".
It's going on now. I deal with high school age kids on soccer teams. I would say the majority of them listen to streaming and many of them drive newer cars that may have a radio in it but they generally have their phone blue-toothed to it playing Pandora/Spotify/Apple/Google/Youtube music going through it. I've actually had younger ones, when I talk about having worked in radio ask me "What's FM?" If they're in a car with their parents driving chances are they have headphones in listening to anything but radio. They sit in the stands waiting for games to begin with headphones/ear pieces in and I will bet anyone a million bucks that not one of them is listening to an actual radio station. Hell, there are even some coaches in their early 40s that don't even listen to radio anymore.....maybe Sirius/XM, but it's just an extended loop of the same music over and over that you can hear on regular radio for free.....well, maybe not all of it, but a lot of it.
 
they generally have their phone blue-toothed to it playing Pandora/Spotify/Apple/Google/Youtube music going through it.

Out of curiosity, do any of them utilize the hosted or curated services offered by those streaming sites? My guess is no.

Apple has invested millions in both of those things, and I suspect next to no one listens.
 
I imagine the answer is because the others were founded originally as radio-only services and later added TV, while PBS started in 1969 and NPR in 1970, building on different heritages. To make matters more interesting, NPR creates some of its own programming internally, while PBS doesn't. They're very different operations, although locally, some organizations bring the two together under the same roof.
Radio was an afterthought to the act that created CPB. The concept was to have as decentralized a system as possible (in part to keep it from becoming a real competitive threat to commercial networks), which is why CPB funding ended up being spread widely across hundreds of local and regional radio and TV licensees and a variety of national program producers and distributors. PBS was established pretty quickly once CPB funding became available, because the main goal of the legislation was to create a national interconnection and distribution system for TV. The radio funding and creation of NPR took a little longer and involved what was then a fairly small group of existing university and public school FM licensees, mostly separate from the existing TV licensees.
This is one of the reasons I appreciate the Radio Discussions site: Once again, I've learned something here. Where I currently live, the NPR/PBS stations use the same calls and share a website. Where I grew up and attended college, the PBS/NPR stations did the same, and the hosts from the NPR station often did VO and positioning for the PBS station and even hosted the pledge drives there. That in mind, I just always ass/u/me'd they were the same entity nationwide.
 
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Radio was an afterthought to the act that created CPB. The concept was to have as decentralized a system as possible (in part to keep it from becoming a real competitive threat to commercial networks), which is why CPB funding ended up being spread widely across hundreds of local and regional radio and TV licensees and a variety of national program producers and distributors. PBS was established pretty quickly once CPB funding became available, because the main goal of the legislation was to create a national interconnection and distribution system for TV. The radio funding and creation of NPR took a little longer and involved what was then a fairly small group of existing university and public school FM licensees, mostly separate from the existing TV licensees.
Now the "elephant in the room" question: was this a better way to go? Or, should public electronic media be under one roof such as the European model?

Herd of elephants question: should broadcasting, dating back to the 20's and 30's, have had more of a government presence?

I see pros and contras. The slowness of the BBC to accept pop music in the 50's and 60s is a contra, but the overall "higher bar" set by BBC TV content seems to raise the lowest bar, too. Of course, the difference in radio of having "presenters" versus "disk jockeys" seems to reflect a separate tone for each nation.
 
Herd of elephants question: should broadcasting, dating back to the 20's and 30's, have had more of a government presence?

Blame it all on Calvin Coolidge & Herbert Hoover. Republicans felt that broadcasting was not a place for government. They preferred the public/private partnership. There were also the first amendment concerns. They also played a part in creating public broadcasting. The question was how to keep the government from interfering in journalism. So they created CPB to act as the buffer between them, and act strictly as a disburser of funding.

Now the "elephant in the room" question: was this a better way to go? Or, should public electronic media be under one roof such as the European model?

The reason why public broadcasting has survived for 55 years is because it ISN'T a centralized government top-down operation. The only way Republicans will approve this kind of thing is if it's decentralized and funded primarily by users, not the government. In 1984 the original act was amended to require all federal funding to be based on the amount of local funding the stations raise. The federal funding is primarily disbursed to the stations, and the stations oversee the national services.

Let me add that the fact that local public broadcasting was already well established by 1967, and I doubt very much they would have been willing to allow themselves to be overseen by a big national bureaucracy. The decentralized model was the only practical one given all of the various realities.
 
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