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I really don't want to get into a "preach" here, but based on one thread that was moved over, rightfully, to "TIO" (Take It Outside), I need to express my thoughts here in a peaceful manner.

I think it is safe to say that as dance music fans, as well as those that are in the industry in one form or another, that we all want what it best for dance music. In a "perfect world" everyone throughout the country would talk about dance music, in our brand, as equally as CHR, R&B, hip-hop and country music because our style has been accepted and "welcomed" as part of the mainstream fold by all and not labeled, negatively, to certain aspects of the dance music audience. MTV would use more dance tracks on their shows. Our artists would be easily recognizable on billboards, throughout the media, and could even blend in to Hollywood (as it has been with hip-hop artists). Places such as iTunes would be more recognizant to all aspects of dance music equally and not "lump" it alongside electronica, which could be a category of its own. So when I see posts that get into arguments and bashing of our music from WITHIN, it troubles me.

I'm not going to get into that post that was sent to "TIO" nor am I going to get into those that spewed out or were affected by negative/adverse reactions based upon the spew. Yet, it is based on those actions that makes our music come off, to an outsider looking in, as a "laughing stock" because we let drama and BS get in the way of potential progress.

Despite the loss of some stations over the past few years, the dance music genres in our brand HAVE been growing thanks largely to the Internet. While a loss of an FM station is a bad hit for our music as a whole, people have turned to the Internet. And when a strong station, such as iPartyRadio, was shuttered due to rising financial costs it is a small cause of "alarm" wondering if more stations are going to shut down based on these costs incurred by streams and royalties. The LAST thing we need is for a war of words to further degrade things for our music because, for what its worth, even though things have been rising we still don't have that strong "leg" of sorts to push our brand into that mainstream aspect whereas EVERY fan can be accepting of the music without getting into "battles" of what "true" dance music is versus what made it into the "mainstream" and negatively picked on as a "sellout". We can't afford to look bad. Nor can we allow for those that are serving as "beacons" for dance music through their Internet stations to battle off against one another and exposing the "dirty laundry" out for public consumption. That can't happen for us. I do believe we are better than that.

I have to use this as an example. I recently left Urban Latino Radio because of miscommunication between me and the main host of the show where my segment occurred. Despite that, I wish NOTHING BUT THE VERY BEST for Urban Latino Radio. They gave me a "start" whereas I can push for new music and new artists to get exposed; to give that "break" to someone whose track was well produced and deserving of that shot. For the 10 months I have been there, the experience has been nothing short of "rewarding and positive." Yet I suppose inherently it was time for me to take things to that next proverbial "level". You will NEVER hear me bash or criticize Urban Latino Radio or any specific people there because I DO realize that we can't afford to look negative. And honestly, they gave me the shot and I will be forever humble and grateful to them for that. :)

Granted, "drama" is everywhere in life. But lets look into that "big picture" for our music and push for us to move forward. I do hope that iPartyRadio either comes back as it was, or re-brands itself as something else, but with the staff and formatics in tact (e.g. how LaKalle in New York City moved from 105.9 to 96.3 and rebranded itself as X-96.3 but with the same format). I wish ALL Internet dance stations the very best! To me I don't consider anyone to be "competition"; I consider the other stations as "brothers and sisters" all pushing for our cause to get our music further exposed to the masses and gain countrywide acceptance....not just within the big cities.

To that, let us carry forward from here on. Cast negativity out of your vocabulary since that will just hold things back.

Prosper my friends!

TS
 
Very well said. I am tired of seeing people bash the dance format, both here on these boards and in real life. I recently had someone call in to my show and tell me that the "techno" music I'm playing sucks (if you don't like my music, why are you listening to it, your radio has a dial for a reason). And on these boards, look at all the negativity towards PartyFM on the Long Island board. Or look at the posts about Pulse 87.

It hurts even more to have negativity within our format as well. Don't bash other dance stations on or off the air. If you're a DJ, don't bash other DJs, artists, or radio stations (there is a certain DJ out there who seems to bash someone new every week). And also, if you're starting a new Internet station, don't copy another Internet station's playlist song by song.

We are fortunate now that the Internet is a great source for dance stations and enables us to buy dance music easily to support the artists. And technology has improved to the point that we can listen to dance stations in the car while driving around for the cost of not much more than a satellite radio subscription. We also have HD radio (although I don't like the way it is implemented by spewing interference on adjacent frequencies, I still support it because it brings us more dance stations). There are a handful of dance stations available in HD around the country.

Based on the post about Z88.9-2 launching recently, it could very well be a reincarnation of iPartyRadio since Will also works with Brett over at BCC.
 
Unfortunately, you still have those guys who will stick to their agenda, right or wrong, and wil continue to cause trouble and dont realize what some of these guys out there are doing what needs to be done to get dance out there in the mainstream. I bumped into a few, even a certain individual who shall remain nameless, bashing DJ Mike West from Hit 106 for playing mashups at a spot in Seaside, and that nightclubs should only play as they say, "techno" or "house", but the DJ spinning at Karma should be on the radio because he doesn't spin mashups, pop remixes, CHR that is dance leaning, etc. You still have those ignorant locals, yes I went there, with the "benny" attitude and how the locals assume that only bennies listen to dance. I heard from a group of disgruntled G-Rock fans that they got rid of alternative for techno, which made me laugh because, last time I checked, Hit 106 is a Top 40 station. But hey, you can't expect all to agree. Just let them be.
 
Nick said:
Very well said. I am tired of seeing people bash the dance format, both here on these boards and in real life. I recently had someone call in to my show and tell me that the "techno" music I'm playing sucks (if you don't like my music, why are you listening to it, your radio has a dial for a reason). And on these boards, look at all the negativity towards PartyFM on the Long Island board. Or look at the posts about Pulse 87.

It hurts even more to have negativity within our format as well. Don't bash other dance stations on or off the air. If you're a DJ, don't bash other DJs, artists, or radio stations (there is a certain DJ out there who seems to bash someone new every week). And also, if you're starting a new Internet station, don't copy another Internet station's playlist song by song.

We are fortunate now that the Internet is a great source for dance stations and enables us to buy dance music easily to support the artists. And technology has improved to the point that we can listen to dance stations in the car while driving around for the cost of not much more than a satellite radio subscription. We also have HD radio (although I don't like the way it is implemented by spewing interference on adjacent frequencies, I still support it because it brings us more dance stations). There are a handful of dance stations available in HD around the country.

Based on the post about Z88.9-2 launching recently, it could very well be a reincarnation of iPartyRadio since Will also works with Brett over at BCC.

Will left the station to pursue other interested a few months ago. Our second stream is not Iparty. We are growing our radio program and need more space to train students. That stream will evolve.

HD radio will not matter until it becomes standard in every make and model of automobiles.
 
d21ofnj said:
Unfortunately, you still have those guys who will stick to their agenda, right or wrong, and wil continue to cause trouble and dont realize what some of these guys out there are doing what needs to be done to get dance out there in the mainstream. I bumped into a few, even a certain individual who shall remain nameless, bashing DJ Mike West from Hit 106 for playing mashups at a spot in Seaside, and that nightclubs should only play as they say, "techno" or "house", but the DJ spinning at Karma should be on the radio because he doesn't spin mashups, pop remixes, CHR that is dance leaning, etc. You still have those ignorant locals, yes I went there, with the "benny" attitude and how the locals assume that only bennies listen to dance. I heard from a group of disgruntled G-Rock fans that they got rid of alternative for techno, which made me laugh because, last time I checked, Hit 106 is a Top 40 station. But hey, you can't expect all to agree. Just let them be.

True, people will stick to their agenda, right or wrong. But at the same time you also have your OWN agenda, heck, WE ALL DO! :)

You have to do what is best for you and your situation and NOT LET ANYONE get in your way of potential success (or failure..but if it's the latter let it be YOUR failure, not because you've allowed for someone to "defeat" you). People will hate in one form or another. I should have been dead YEARS ago from all of the "hate" I've endured doing this! lol . But you have to push forward with YOUR agenda and as you garner support along the way, you'll soon learn that it doesn't matter what the "haters" think, so as long as you have your supporters that will always back you along the way. You do what you do for THEM. :)

So, take the negativity out and don't give a darn about the negativity because you will never change it. Look out for those that will care and support! :)
 
I'll tell ya what I get sick of.. People in the Dance Community never giving credit to Internet Radio Stations. People like us, Energy 98, Fusion, Digitally Imported and hundreds of other internet only stations are the backbone of Dance music in the United States. What would happen if we all folded up shop at the same exact time one day?

We have over 20 stations dedicated to Dance Music.. but all that you hear about in the media is Pandora, Pandora, Pandora. You never hear about us, E98, Fusion, Digitally Imported.. It's a shame. Imagine if we had millions of $ to advertise our Dance streams like Pandora has? I guess my point is that someone with very deep pockets needs to start a major Dance friendly site (on a Pandora scale) to get the word out about Dance music.. It's sad because it does not need to be that way. We all have very high quality dance streams.. but mainstream America can't find us because 50% of them go to Pandora for their radio fix - They do not know any better because Pandora is in their face 24/7 on blogs, commercials.. People now only want that On Demand crap where they can fast forward to the next song. If it is a live stream (like we all do).. forget about it.. they are not interested. You can play the best songs on the planet but if it is not the same On Demand format that Pandora & Slacker has they do not want to give it the time of day.

Tony, I have respect for you for giving props to Internet Radio.
 
russ_haney21 said:
I'll tell ya what I get sick of.. People in the Dance Community never giving credit to Internet Radio Stations. People like us, Energy 98, Fusion, Digitally Imported and hundreds of other internet only stations are the backbone of Dance music in the United States. What would happen if we all folded up shop at the same exact time one day?

We have over 20 stations dedicated to Dance Music.. but all that you hear about in the media is Pandora, Pandora, Pandora. You never hear about us, E98, Fusion, Digitally Imported.. It's a shame. Imagine if we had millions of $ to advertise our Dance streams like Pandora has? I guess my point is that someone with very deep pockets needs to start a major Dance friendly site (on a Pandora scale) to get the word out about Dance music.. It's sad because it does not need to be that way. We all have very high quality dance streams.. but mainstream America can't find us because 50% of them go to Pandora for their radio fix - They do not know any better because Pandora is in their face 24/7 on blogs, commercials.. People now only want that On Demand crap where they can fast forward to the next song. If it is a live stream (like we all do).. forget about it.. they are not interested. You can play the best songs on the planet but if it is not the same On Demand format that Pandora & Slacker has they do not want to give it the time of day.

Tony, I have respect for you for giving props to Internet Radio.

Russ I think in the last few years internet radio has gained a lot of ground in getting respect from the community. This year at the DJ Expo there is going to be a panel on internet radio. Non-commercial radio has had the same issues when it comes to respect, but you have to continue to prove that you mean something. Non-com/college radio continues to fight that fight. You do have a lot of allies.
 
I am talking more in the line of listeners want ON DEMAND type streams.. On Demand meaning where they can Fast Forward to the next song. It amazes me how many emails we receive from listeners who just discovered us but yet when they send in emails they are asking how they can FF tracks, etc. They do not understand that our streams are live broadcasts and it is impossible to fast forward songs. Pandora is the #1 reason for this.
 
I don't get that kind of response, although it is a little annoying that my logo clearly says dot com on it regards of the frequency I put in the name, and people still tune in to 96.7 instead of streaming online, when I say I operate an INTERNET station.
 
DJ_Perry said:
ya i never understood why internet streams include a frequency. kinda misleading

It's marketing for some. Sounds cool to others. My station has it because it started out as a tribute station to my 80's FM station. I could have changed it at any point but I like it. It indicates, to me, that I'm running a radio station and not some wacky music blog.

Also a side note, Brett spoke about an internet radio panel at DJ Expo this year. Not sure if the DJ expo is doing one but I'm moderating, along with Will Calder, the panel in Atlantic City this year at the Promo Only Summer Sessions. It's an invite only event but if you are going to be in Atlantic City Russ let me know and we'd be happy to get you in.

jp
 
I did it because 98 was open in Portland metro. It was perfect for my Pt. 15(+).
 
96.7 was free in the Jersey Shore, so why not I use the frequency. Now its a translator, but still keep it as tradition since my podcasting days from 2003.
 
I used part 15,, I keep having to change freqs because of pirates and move in bible blasters, lpfms and translators.,, I was a pirate myelf at one time, but I got tired of the hassle and risk of keeping a tx on air in a farm town that didnt appreciate the format hole I was giving them.. I tried part 15, but at a limited range of 200 to 300 feet max, with only a 10 foot 40 dbu contour and a bunch of rednecks and preps as neighbors, and since I learned how to stream, i see no need for RF anymore.. I use Freq numbers cause people like for their net station to sound like a Real Comercial station,, people that are radio heads are more inclined to tune into a fake freq station,, or even one that transmits,... ha 10 feet...
 
Thanks Russ ..that is true...people keep asking us if we are shutting down given the recent events. We are not shutting down.


russ_haney21 said:
I'll tell ya what I get sick of.. People in the Dance Community never giving credit to Internet Radio Stations. People like us, Energy 98, Fusion, Digitally Imported and hundreds of other internet only stations are the backbone of Dance music in the United States. What would happen if we all folded up shop at the same exact time one day?

We have over 20 stations dedicated to Dance Music.. but all that you hear about in the media is Pandora, Pandora, Pandora. You never hear about us, E98, Fusion, Digitally Imported.. It's a shame. Imagine if we had millions of $ to advertise our Dance streams like Pandora has? I guess my point is that someone with very deep pockets needs to start a major Dance friendly site (on a Pandora scale) to get the word out about Dance music.. It's sad because it does not need to be that way. We all have very high quality dance streams.. but mainstream America can't find us because 50% of them go to Pandora for their radio fix - They do not know any better because Pandora is in their face 24/7 on blogs, commercials.. People now only want that On Demand crap where they can fast forward to the next song. If it is a live stream (like we all do).. forget about it.. they are not interested. You can play the best songs on the planet but if it is not the same On Demand format that Pandora & Slacker has they do not want to give it the time of day.

Tony, I have respect for you for giving props to Internet Radio.
 
I know I cant compete with you guys, but im up on shoutcast using loud city finally.. i had to have a buddy help me set it up. Go to Shoutcast and look up Rhythm 99.1... It is, as well,, a net only station for now.
 
The Internet stations that include a "frequency" were former legal or pirate stations on that frequency. Energy 98 was a pirate on 98.1 in Oregon. B91 was a college station on 90.9 in Brooklyn. Pulse 87 was a commercial station on 87.7. 96.7 Party was a pirate in NJ.
 
Now if 92.9 The Beat became an internet station, it would be fitting since they were on the dial in the Trenton area.
 
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