Did anyone else make the connection between zero interest in HD radio with lack luster sales of HD radio receivers? yet, thousand are willing to stand inline to get their hand on the new Iphone. The Iphone that delivers screaming internet access with content that isn’t free.
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LinoNYC
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This is frankly an asinine comparison. Try this: Go to your local electronics retailer of any size and take note of how many people are perusing the "radio-stereo' section.
Probably none. In fact the large Circuit City near me has replaced the entire section with an air conditioner promotion. I am told this is temporary, but it is rather ominous and would not have been done in years past.
You can make all these goofy comparisons you care to, but do remember the last "radio killer" -satellite.
Lino
This thread is just bogus. One device is exclusively a radio, the other is primarily a phone with numerous features, just one of which is the ability to listen to music, of which just one type of music media is internet-based streams. I know many people with iPhones, and none of them tout that they can listen to internet radio on it, even though they all can, and some do. It's the kickass Safari browser, ability to watch movies and listen to mp3's, e-mail, calendar, mail, messaging, etc. that they show off, not the relatively insignificant internet-radio ability.
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LinoNYC
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KB1OKL said:
Let me ask, you have some proof of that?
Sitting at a public computer in So America I guess you are really plugged-into electronics retail up here...right.
At least when I am in Thailand I refrain from commenting on things back home especially if, as in your case, I'd have nothing informative to bring to the discussion.
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Kelly
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Seattleradiodude
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Kelly said:
Ditto! ;D
Philip J. Smith said:
The public does not buy radios anymore. They haven't for a very long time. People buy things that contain radios.
Nobody is buying HD radios. Nobody.
Internet-capable cellphones, including iPhones, are capable of being "radios". People are clearly buying these devices. Like it or not, this is the future of radio. Make the adjustment or die. Unfortunately, most traditional radio companies will die off.
End of story.
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Mike Walker
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For a product that "nobody is buying, nobody..." isn't it amazing how the roster of new radios, and new product types, mostly from major electronics giants keeps on growing. Have you looked lately? It's not just a few models. There are dozens, in all categories. And HD is making itself into things that people do buy (which is how radios get into people's homes anyway)...shelf systems, home theater receivers, car stereos, quality table radios, etc.
How can you say that "nobody is buying them, NOBODY" when many people here along have them??? In fact, I'm about to buy another one (the new Sony tuner).
I wonder how many people ask for "6.1 channel surround sound, Dolby Digital, DTS, Doby HD, etc." when they buy a receiver. NOT MANY, I'D WAGER! Does it mean these aren't valuable features?
An interesting statistic from Arbitron many may have read in the latest Radio World. Radio listening among young people is GROWING again. Take that, you "the end is near" naysayers!
How can you say that "nobody is buying them, NOBODY" when many people here along have them??? In fact, I'm about to buy another one (the new Sony tuner).
I wonder how many people ask for "6.1 channel surround sound, Dolby Digital, DTS, Doby HD, etc." when they buy a receiver. NOT MANY, I'D WAGER! Does it mean these aren't valuable features?
An interesting statistic from Arbitron many may have read in the latest Radio World. Radio listening among young people is GROWING again. Take that, you "the end is near" naysayers!
I think we can safely put to rest the notion that Apple will be adding an FM tuner (or HD Radio or anything radio) with any of their products, especially not in the iPhone and iPod Touch.
This from AdWeek:
"Internet radio upstart Pandora has streamed 3.3 million songs to iPhone users since the launch of its new mobile application, making it the third most popular such app for the red-hot device -- the newest version of which Apple released on July 11.
Pandora's success on the iPhone, which sold a stunning 1 million units last weekend, could elevate Internet radio to new heights, as the still-under-the-radar medium appears ideally suited for mobile usage.
As of July 14, the company had registered 180,000 new users, and more than 200,000 new stations had been created on the iPhone."
http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/digital/e3i7d21992b375a28c60ce87a45de07f568
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This from AdWeek:
"Internet radio upstart Pandora has streamed 3.3 million songs to iPhone users since the launch of its new mobile application, making it the third most popular such app for the red-hot device -- the newest version of which Apple released on July 11.
Pandora's success on the iPhone, which sold a stunning 1 million units last weekend, could elevate Internet radio to new heights, as the still-under-the-radar medium appears ideally suited for mobile usage.
As of July 14, the company had registered 180,000 new users, and more than 200,000 new stations had been created on the iPhone."
http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/digital/e3i7d21992b375a28c60ce87a45de07f568
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Carmine5 said:
Well it may be popular beyond belief, but so were Napster and Kazaa.
http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-tech-observer/2008/07/18/save-pandora
According to Cande Nast, they are not viable without regulatory relief. Just like XM/Sirius.
Funny. Terrestrial Radio IS viable unless they change the rules.
Who knew.
Clouseau
When I was a kid in the 70’s radio was local. Radio was a source people turned to for up to the minute local news and information. When you traveled you could tell what city you were in simply by listening to radio stations that were unique to that area.
Today we have jukebox fm’s, from city to city they all sound the same. Don’t believe get in your car and travel from Fl to Maine. It all sounds the same.
“Local Radio” sounds more like national programs. And Am sounds like repeaters for Rush, Bortz and Hanity.
Radio was local dream on because it’s not any more.
Google, blogs and countless web pages provide more and better local content than radio.
Sorry... radio lost the local war too..
Today we have jukebox fm’s, from city to city they all sound the same. Don’t believe get in your car and travel from Fl to Maine. It all sounds the same.
“Local Radio” sounds more like national programs. And Am sounds like repeaters for Rush, Bortz and Hanity.
Radio was local dream on because it’s not any more.
Google, blogs and countless web pages provide more and better local content than radio.
Sorry... radio lost the local war too..
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LinoNYC
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I have to agree with this remark, one of the summer pleasures I remember as a kid in the 1970's and adult 80's was tuning my large Grundig portable at night on the Beach at Montaulk Pt.
Today there is basically no point.
As for AM talk, well they made a Faustian bargain twenty years ago and spent the next two decades cashing-in by poisoning, polarizing and generally dumbing down political discourse. They made AM synonymous with angry, not too bright old people who have now gotten too old for advertisers. Many of the stations are now "whoring" their time just to stay afloat.
I disagree here. I don't what radio is like where you are, but we have three all-news station in New York and they are pretty good at being on top of late breaking stories.
Several weeks ago there was another in a series of construction crane collapses. This happened a little over ten blocks from me, as soon as I started hearing a flurry of emergency vehicle's sirens, I tuned in WCBS-am they already had a traffic helicopter there and reporters on the way.
I have read enough blogs to be of the opinion that they are mainly driven by personal agendas, ego. They can be interesting but are mostly garbage by journalistic standards.
I see these as an interesting aside and perhaps they can give some inside information to a story, but there will hopefully allways be an important place for authoritative, edited, researched and professional journalism. The internet is at it's best as an on-demand outlet for this.
Not with news..not yet.
Lino
Back on topic, this morning Chicago Tribune reports that a 3-hour line as been in front of the Apple store on Michigan Ave all this week.
People are freaking out that they won't be able to get one before they "run out"!
Of course they're making them as fast as possible, but they've still got people foaming at the mouth for the newest rev of the Iphone.
The story in the paper wasted no ink on HD radio's existance as any sort of competition.
The story was all about the roaring success that causes people to accumulate in lines waiting for a product.
They're not exactly comparable, are they?
Attention ibiquity and alliance: You'd have almost as much luck trying to sell Americans on short-wave listening.
This is from the same perspective that gave the the "Radio heard Here" campaign.
Only 3-5% of the listeners now have any "radio" awareness, the others all take it for granted, and really have
little or no loyalty to any station. This majority has only been using radio as wallpaper for a long time.
They are migrating to other brands of wallpaper.
Once your product has become so well homogenized, well-tested and executed to "beat everything else out there",
there's no point in listening if you've been programming to the bottom line.
Such stations are as predictable as death.
With the Iphone, these folks already accept the mega $$ service connect, and now they get all this radio for free.
I'm not sure how ibquity is going to even run in this race with so many issues, for so few advantages and/or choices.
Yeah, it's not even comparable.
People are freaking out that they won't be able to get one before they "run out"!
Of course they're making them as fast as possible, but they've still got people foaming at the mouth for the newest rev of the Iphone.
The story in the paper wasted no ink on HD radio's existance as any sort of competition.
The story was all about the roaring success that causes people to accumulate in lines waiting for a product.
They're not exactly comparable, are they?
Attention ibiquity and alliance: You'd have almost as much luck trying to sell Americans on short-wave listening.
This is from the same perspective that gave the the "Radio heard Here" campaign.
Only 3-5% of the listeners now have any "radio" awareness, the others all take it for granted, and really have
little or no loyalty to any station. This majority has only been using radio as wallpaper for a long time.
They are migrating to other brands of wallpaper.
Once your product has become so well homogenized, well-tested and executed to "beat everything else out there",
there's no point in listening if you've been programming to the bottom line.
Such stations are as predictable as death.
With the Iphone, these folks already accept the mega $$ service connect, and now they get all this radio for free.
I'm not sure how ibquity is going to even run in this race with so many issues, for so few advantages and/or choices.
Yeah, it's not even comparable.
Tom Wells said:
No they're not. They are seperate and different. No ink wasted on roller skates either. It's a story about I-Phones.
With ove 90% of all persons using radio every week, is this some Scientology "Cosmic awareness"? I think if almost 95% of the country uses something then thay are "aware".
Correct Again. They do take it for granted. Like electricity. every day they use it. The majority HAVE been using it for a long time. In fact well over 90% use radio every week now. How do you thank that compares to percentage of the population that uses I-Phones? or even I-Pod like devices. Do yoiu really think it's higher than radio?
I won't go into what most listeners want on the radio, but "Familiarity" isn't a dirty word.
And yet radio maintains virtually the same usage numbers for so long. Dozens and dozens of NEW CHOICES come about every year and yet radio is STILL almost universal. It's really pretty amazing when you think about it.I would suggest that the race is not just with the I-phone.
Continuing to pronounce radio "Already dead" doesn't make it any more true. Advertising is soft everywhere. Radio is still the most widely used aural medium by far... IMHO
You're right. It makes no sense to compare it. They're two different things.
Clouseau
They're both new "little boxes" that sound can come out of.
One generates great excitement, te other can't even get most people to take the time to yawn at it.
I never said anything about the death of radio, I was talking about the noteworthy disregard the market is giving HD,
and my point was that most people are as likely to try HD radio as they are shortwave.
But the Iphone, they'll stand in a line for.
Radio awareness means, at this point, a radio geek, junkie, station foamer, long time listener/caller..
knows where the station is, etc. More than a casual listener who wouldn't even notice if you were gone or flipped tomorrow.
The great majority is aware of radio as a commodity like electricity or milk with little reason to favor or care anything
about its delivery or production.
Hope this helps focus my comments which must have been too broad.
One generates great excitement, te other can't even get most people to take the time to yawn at it.
I never said anything about the death of radio, I was talking about the noteworthy disregard the market is giving HD,
and my point was that most people are as likely to try HD radio as they are shortwave.
But the Iphone, they'll stand in a line for.
Radio awareness means, at this point, a radio geek, junkie, station foamer, long time listener/caller..
knows where the station is, etc. More than a casual listener who wouldn't even notice if you were gone or flipped tomorrow.
The great majority is aware of radio as a commodity like electricity or milk with little reason to favor or care anything
about its delivery or production.
Hope this helps focus my comments which must have been too broad.
Tom Wells said:
Then you clearly don't understand the difference.
I can't talk back on a radio. A phone is not a radio, and the two should not be compared. This is not about content, but function.
The media is drinking the Apple kool aid. Why? Apple sent a lot of them free iPhones with the hope they'd like them. Guess what...they're right. XM did the same thing five years ago. But we haven't seen as much positive press about XM lately.
One reporter made a brilliant observation: There are lines out the door at the Apple store. But in the very same mall, there were no lines at the AT&T store for the exact same phone at the exact same price.
Drinking Kool Aid, folks. That's what this is.
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