Thread Hijacking

[KMRichards]

Well, I see that it has become necessary to close what was a perfectly good thread on Jhani Kaye taking the PD spot at KRTH because it turned into another round of "let's bash K.M. because we hate him so much".

I am going to ask the owners to start monitoring this board. And if more threads turn into moderator bashing, I won't have to ask for bans, the owners will do it on their own.

When you hijack a thread, you stifle the real discussion. Why you can't discuss radio without everything being a case of who's right and who's wrong is beyond my comprehension, but if that's what you think this board should be, I can tell you without a doubt that the owners will not agree and you will be invited out.<P ID="signature">______________


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[michaelhagerty]

> Well, I see that it has become necessary to close what was a
> perfectly good thread on Jhani Kaye taking the PD spot at
> KRTH because it turned into another round of "let's bash
> K.M. because we hate him so much".
>
> I am going to ask the owners to start monitoring this board.
> And if more threads turn into moderator bashing, I won't
> have to ask for bans, the owners will do it on their own.
>
> When you hijack a thread, you stifle the real discussion.
> Why you can't discuss radio without everything being a case
> of who's right and who's wrong is beyond my comprehension,
> but if that's what you think this board should be, I can
> tell you without a doubt that the owners will not agree and
> you will be invited out.
>

No disrespect intended, KM, but when it's as critical a thread as Jhani Kaye leaving KOST after 20 years for KRTH, wouldn't deleting the individual offensive posts (and if necessary, taking action against the poster(s)) instead of the entire thread be preferable?

---Michael Hagerty

 

[SuperRadioFan]

I thought this forum was a free and open exchange of ideas and opinions and as such pretty much anything goes within the realm of the rules. Be careful though, when censorship is perceived, it could become a barren wasteland here. Go check out the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Fan Forum and note the total lack of moderation there because free speech rules. They have an automatic censor there for certain words, but other than that its just a message board, one (just like THIS one) that didn't exist 10 or 12 years ago. Somehow those of us old enough to remember what information sources were like before message boards and blogs became commonplace in our society, somehow we all survived.

If the owners want to ban someone for some silly posts that are perceived as a hate attack then its their perogative to ban the poster and close the thread.
But as owners they will also think about the possible consequences of such actions that endorse squelching of opinions and free thought. I have seen over the years on this and other Radio-Info boards (and its predecessor) a WHOLE LOT more bashing going on than what occurred in the Jhani Kaye thread. Its just a message board, we all love visiting here, but its not The United States Constitution is it??

And please save the comments about if one doesn't like it one can open up their own board. That is very old already.

As I said in the closed thread, a better response should have had the effect of water off a duck's back, not a closed thread.


I'm sorry KM if you think people hate you, it just isn't true.

> > Well, I see that it has become necessary to close what was
> a
> > perfectly good thread on Jhani Kaye taking the PD spot at
> > KRTH because it turned into another round of "let's bash
> > K.M. because we hate him so much".
> >
> > I am going to ask the owners to start monitoring this
> board.
> > And if more threads turn into moderator bashing, I won't
> > have to ask for bans, the owners will do it on their own.
> >
> > When you hijack a thread, you stifle the real discussion.
>
> > Why you can't discuss radio without everything being a
> case
> > of who's right and who's wrong is beyond my comprehension,
>
> > but if that's what you think this board should be, I can
> > tell you without a doubt that the owners will not agree
> and
> > you will be invited out.
> >
>
> No disrespect intended, KM, but when it's as critical a
> thread as Jhani Kaye leaving KOST after 20 years for KRTH,
> wouldn't deleting the individual offensive posts (and if
> necessary, taking action against the poster(s)) instead of
> the entire thread be preferable?
>
> ---Michael Hagerty
>

 

[Rocco]

Careful, Michael. I tnink you might have just violated Rule 5!

And I can only speak for myself, but I certainly don't HATE you, KM.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

KMR -

If you recall, it was your post criticizing a small prediction, (made only in passing in Glenn's original post) in the first place that started this whole mess. Recall you insisted because you were a close personal friend of Jhani's that Glenn's (ultimately accurate) prediction of his impending exit at CC simply could not be true and you flamed him in a most unprofessional manner. The original hijacked thread took place in August. The history and facts are presented below:

Glenn’s original post:

http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=511485&Board=losangeles

Your reply:

http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=511671&Board=losangeles

My advice to you to let the chips fall where they may:

http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=511959&Board=losangeles

Another opinion on the matter:

http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=512151&Board=losangeles

For you to say now that you do not understand this “obsession” for being right on this board smacks of the highest level of hypocrisy. Your baseless charge that somehow this has something to do with “hating on the moderator” or even you personally is also BS. There is no evidence to support that.

For myself, I have had many agreements and disagreements with you over the years; that is the nature of any board engaged in honest and open discourse. However, honest give and take has absolutely nothing to do with the posts that were posted today. You put yourself on the line in August by inserting yourself into the story while condemning someone else, who’s only “sin” in the original post was having the audacity to predict something you didn’t like. You picked this fight. You challenged his facts and integrity and on both counts you have come out the loser. Frankly you owe Glenn an apology as well as the other posters whose motives you have impugned in this thread who have done nothing but simply point out the facts.



> Well, I see that it has become necessary to close what was a
> perfectly good thread on Jhani Kaye taking the PD spot at
> KRTH because it turned into another round of "let's bash
> K.M. because we hate him so much".
>
> I am going to ask the owners to start monitoring this board.
> And if more threads turn into moderator bashing, I won't
> have to ask for bans, the owners will do it on their own.
>
> When you hijack a thread, you stifle the real discussion.
> Why you can't discuss radio without everything being a case
> of who's right and who's wrong is beyond my comprehension,
> but if that's what you think this board should be, I can
> tell you without a doubt that the owners will not agree and
> you will be invited out.
>

 

[SuperRadioFan]

Thanks Flipper for a very well thought out response, and double thanks for including "another opinion" posted by a personal friend of mine.
> KMR -
>
> If you recall, it was your post criticizing a small
> prediction, (made only in passing in Glenn's original post)
> in the first place that started this whole mess. Recall you
> insisted because you were a close personal friend of Jhani's
> that Glenn's (ultimately accurate) prediction of his
> impending exit at CC simply could not be true and you flamed
> him in a most unprofessional manner. The original hijacked
> thread took place in August. The history and facts are
> presented below:
>
> Glenn’s original post:
>
>
http://ww> w.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=511485&Board=losangeles
>
>
> Your reply:
>
http:> //www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=511671&Board=losangeles
>
>
> My advice to you to let the chips fall where they may:
>
http:> //www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=511959&Board=losangeles
>
>
> Another opinion on the matter:
>
http:> //www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=512151&Board=losangeles
>
>
> For you to say now that you do not understand this
> “obsession” for being right on this board smacks of the
> highest level of hypocrisy. Your baseless charge that
> somehow this has something to do with “hating on the
> moderator” or even you personally is also BS. There is no
> evidence to support that.
>
> For myself, I have had many agreements and disagreements
> with you over the years; that is the nature of any board
> engaged in honest and open discourse. However, honest give
> and take has absolutely nothing to do with the posts that
> were posted today. You put yourself on the line in August by
> inserting yourself into the story while condemning someone
> else, who’s only “sin” in the original post was having the
> audacity to predict something you didn’t like. You picked
> this fight. You challenged his facts and integrity and on
> both counts you have come out the loser. Frankly you owe
> Glenn an apology as well as the other posters whose motives
> you have impugned in this thread who have done nothing but
> simply point out the facts.
>
>
>

 

[DoctorWu]

To quote another famous Angeleno:

"Can't we all just get along?"

- Doc

 

[davideduardo]

> I thought this forum was a free and open exchange of ideas
> and opinions and as such pretty much anything goes within
> the realm of the rules.

My understanding is that this is a privately owned and sponsored board. As such, there is no guarantee of "freedom of expression" as such is not guaranteed on private property. In nother words, the owners can set the rules they want, and the users can either abide or not frequent the board.

: Be careful though, when censorship
> is perceived, it could become a barren wasteland here. Go
> check out the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Fan Forum and
> note the total lack of moderation there because free speech
> rules.

Sports forums tend to be rather disconcerting, unless your intent is to heve a cybe-bar brawl or to learn some new cuss words.

In this case, free speech is not conducive to any kind of intelligent discussion (besides not legally applying). Just think what the presidential debates would be like if there were no rules and no moderator... just becuase two guys have suits on does not mean they would not get ugly and personal without a structure. And, of course, the electorate would lose due to a total lack of substance.

> They have an automatic censor there for certain
> words, but other than that its just a message board, one
> (just like THIS one) that didn't exist 10 or 12 years ago.
> Somehow those of us old enough to remember what information
> sources were like before message boards and blogs became
> commonplace in our society, somehow we all survived.

But prior to the early boards, such as The Well and CIS, there was no way to hide behind a nick and behave like a foaming at the mouth lunatic in some cases. Control is the balance to anominity.

> But as owners they will also think about the possible
> consequences of such actions that endorse squelching of
> opinions and free thought. I have seen over the years on
> this and other Radio-Info boards (and its predecessor) a
> WHOLE LOT more bashing going on than what occurred in the
> Jhani Kaye thread. Its just a message board, we all love
> visiting here, but its not The United States Constitution is
> it??

But it _is_ private property and the owners and thier representatives have all the legal right to establish the conduct they find appropriate. It is sort of like prohibiting scanty dress in church... someone has to decide what "scanty" means (see how I steered away from comparing with "indecency" which even the FCC and Congress seem to have difficulty defining.).

 

[KMRichards]

> For you to say now that you do not understand this
> “obsession” for being right on this board smacks of the
> highest level of hypocrisy. Your baseless charge that
> somehow this has something to do with “hating on the
> moderator” or even you personally is also BS. There is no
> evidence to support that.

I may have overstated it, but SuperRadioFan is the one who decided the thread was a chance to take a shot at me ("cooked crow" comment):

<a target="_blank" href=http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=608806&Board=losangeles>http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board?Post=608806&Board=losangeles</a>

Hmmm, and he is the one who seems to be your biggest fan, Flip.

BTW, I have already had an e-mail from one of the owners about this ...<P ID="signature">______________


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[XXXradioXXX]

> > I thought this forum was a free and open exchange of ideas
>
> > and opinions and as such pretty much anything goes within
> > the realm of the rules.
>
> My understanding is that this is a privately owned and
> sponsored board. As such, there is no guarantee of "freedom
> of expression" as such is not guaranteed on private
> property. In nother words, the owners can set the rules they
> want, and the users can either abide or not frequent the
> board.
>
> : Be careful though, when censorship
> > is perceived, it could become a barren wasteland here. Go
>
> > check out the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Fan Forum and
> > note the total lack of moderation there because free
> speech
> > rules.
>
> Sports forums tend to be rather disconcerting, unless your
> intent is to heve a cybe-bar brawl or to learn some new cuss
> words.
>
> In this case, free speech is not conducive to any kind of
> intelligent discussion (besides not legally applying). Just
> think what the presidential debates would be like if there
> were no rules and no moderator... just becuase two guys have
> suits on does not mean they would not get ugly and personal
> without a structure. And, of course, the electorate would
> lose due to a total lack of substance.
>
> > They have an automatic censor there for certain
> > words, but other than that its just a message board, one
> > (just like THIS one) that didn't exist 10 or 12 years ago.
>
> > Somehow those of us old enough to remember what
> information
> > sources were like before message boards and blogs became
> > commonplace in our society, somehow we all survived.
>
> But prior to the early boards, such as The Well and CIS,
> there was no way to hide behind a nick and behave like a
> foaming at the mouth lunatic in some cases. Control is the
> balance to anominity.
>
> > But as owners they will also think about the possible
> > consequences of such actions that endorse squelching of
> > opinions and free thought. I have seen over the years on
> > this and other Radio-Info boards (and its predecessor) a
> > WHOLE LOT more bashing going on than what occurred in the
> > Jhani Kaye thread. Its just a message board, we all love
> > visiting here, but its not The United States Constitution
> is
> > it??
>
> But it _is_ private property and the owners and thier
> representatives have all the legal right to establish the
> conduct they find appropriate. It is sort of like
> prohibiting scanty dress in church... someone has to decide
> what "scanty" means (see how I steered away from comparing
> with "indecency" which even the FCC and Congress seem to
> have difficulty defining.).
>

You know it is the registered users of a board that ultimately make it sucessful or not. And the internet is the wild, wild, west. If those in charge of a board are going to constantly "piss off" - for no reason - those registered users, I see only failure for the owners of that internet site.

As for this board, it is some of the moderators who are killing the potential growth of it. But I do think KMR has the right idea. Contact the owners so they can see how some of their own moderators are killing the success of their own board.

As for KMR, it's embarassing to see someone post a response (to my post about Jhani Kaye) when they do not know what they are talking about. But rest assured KMR we do think you are funny...as those over at Clear Channel Burbank did have a good laugh today reading your response.

 

[BACKnUSSR]

Quite honestly, just about everyone on this board is interested in the honest, open exchange of ideas. However, sometimes in defense of certain opinions posts are deleted here (and it happens on the LA boards much more than anywhere else). It has nothing to do with "rules". It has to do with agreeing with certain folks. Glenn didn't. Apologies.


Oh...and addressing the topic: I think the hiring of Jhani Kaye (LA's longest tenured PD in history) at a heritage station is probably the biggest news in LA radio since the departure of Rick Dees from KIIS. Let's see if Maureen can let him operate freely.

 

[NickMichaels]

I don't think it was monitor bashing. It's you as a poster, being reminded that you didnt get it right this time.

I guess "who's right and who's wrong" is only ok when you are the one doing it, which is what you do most of the time.

The discussion in question was a legitmate discussion of events in LA radio and a reminder of who called it as it was.




> Well, I see that it has become necessary to close what was a
> perfectly good thread on Jhani Kaye taking the PD spot at
> KRTH because it turned into another round of "let's bash
> K.M. because we hate him so much".
>
> I am going to ask the owners to start monitoring this board.
> And if more threads turn into moderator bashing, I won't
> have to ask for bans, the owners will do it on their own.
>
> When you hijack a thread, you stifle the real discussion.
> Why you can't discuss radio without everything being a case
> of who's right and who's wrong is beyond my comprehension,
> but if that's what you think this board should be, I can
> tell you without a doubt that the owners will not agree and
> you will be invited out.
>

 

[NickMichaels]

I agree,

Has anyone else noticed the lack of new interesting threads and posts since the "agree with us or get banned" policy has been so heavily enforced.

The owners, if they care about the growth of this forum should take into consideration how much it's killing the board when posters are shut down for not agreeing with another poster who happens to also be a moderator.

The "it's my football" policy here is exactly what is killing the board.
There hasn't been an interesting thread in many weeks.

Why does one want to participate in a conversation when it always turns into, "I'm telling my dad" or "It's my football, so if you don't like it too bad".

You 2 or three people who have the need to feel important can enjoy your conversations with each other.

This board will quickly becoming irrellevant if it continues in this heavy handed manner.






>
> You know it is the registered users of a board that
> ultimately make it sucessful or not. And the internet is the
> wild, wild, west. If those in charge of a board are going to
> constantly "piss off" - for no reason - those registered
> users, I see only failure for the owners of that internet
> site.
>
> As for this board, it is some of the moderators who are
> killing the potential growth of it. But I do think KMR has
> the right idea. Contact the owners so they can see how some
> of their own moderators are killing the success of their own
> board.
>
> As for KMR, it's embarassing to see someone post a response
> (to my post about Jhani Kaye) when they do not know what
> they are talking about. But rest assured KMR we do think you
> are funny...as those over at Clear Channel Burbank did have
> a good laugh today reading your response.
>

 

[SuperRadioFan]

> I don't think it was monitor bashing. It you as a poster,
> being reminded that you didnt get it right this time.
>
> I guess "who's right and who's wrong" is only ok when you
> are the one doing it, which is what you do most of the time.
>
>
> The discussion in question was a legitmate discussion of
> events in LA radio and a reminder of who called it as it
> was.
>
You got it right exactly!
I was reminding the board participants that Glenn, an ex-poster/participant, was on the money on what most here viewed as a prepostorous (at the time) prediction made four months ago. I didn't know if Glenn was still visting here but I just thought it was a hoot given the many times he was chastised and ridiculed by others here about other predictions he made in the past. And yes, I also was reminding a fellow POSTER (K.M.) that it was he who was WRONG and my eating crow remark is TAME IMHO. Back in August K.M. as a "poster" had a response that claimed a different story and talked about his personal conversation with JK.
KM has talked about those here who have been here for a while should be able to discern when he takes off his poster hat and puts on his moderator hat. Kinda like Peter Parker or Clark Kent I guess. Anyway, in August's post he switched to his moderator hat in just about the same sentence and admonished Glenn with a warning. Gee whiz if a "poster" can't take the heat when a little fun is poked at him now then I don't know what to say except the chill of this place should cool him off.

Re. David's correct assertion that this is a private board, may I point out so is the Angels Fan Forum, owned by Major League Baseball. But nobody pays a "fee" to use these facilities other than practicing common sense and observing the posted rules.

 

[zumahans1]

Huh?

>"let's bash K.M. because we hate him so much".

No. No one hates you. They may justifiably think your posts are idiotic,or just plain wrong, but that does not mean they hate you.

They DISAGREE with you. That's all.

It's a good thing that you have asked the owners of this forum look at the way it is run.

They should also look at the stale topics, the small amount of posts, and the two or three very important luminaries who monopolize it with their weighty missives and all-knowing knowledge of things knowable and people they know, who are worth knowing, and we should know that.

Frankly, for a market this size, for a subject this interesting, the small amount of discussion on this particular board is pathetic.

Maybe, respectfully, KM, you need a vacation! Step back and resume normal breathing. It might do you wonders.

It certainly would do the same for the board.

 

[leonardo10]

I fully agree with you Nick. I mean I used to come to the board everyday to read the stories and see what people in our biz are thinking/talking about but after seeing so many people put down just because they have an opinion (right or wrong) it was just not interesting anymore. I mean even people just asking simple questions like "any news on Rick Dees?" would get torched just because someone else asked that 4 weeks earlier and then they are told to scroll all the old messages to find the answer when all that could of been avoided by someone just answering it for him. People look to these boards for information and they should have the right to ask the questions even if some people deem them as "dumb" questions. Remember what they used to say, "no question is dumb if you know don't the answer." Perhaps a solution to keep the community rolling would be for everyone to treat people with respect on the board and not go on "power trips" and cut people down. Thanks!


> I agree,
>
> Has anyone else noticed the lack of new interesting threads
> and posts since the "agree with us or get banned" policy has
> been so heavily enforced.
>
> The owners, if they care about the growth of this forum
> should take into consideration how much it's killing the
> board when posters are shut down for not agreeing with
> another poster who happens to also be a moderator.
>
> The "it's my football" policy here is exactly what is
> killing the board.
> There hasn't been an interesting thread in many weeks.
>
> Why does one want to participate in a conversation when it
> always turns into, "I'm telling my dad" or "It's my
> football, so if you don't like it too bad".
>
> You 2 or three people who have the need to feel important
> can enjoy your conversations with each other.
>
> This board will quickly becoming irrellevant if it continues
> in this heavy handed manner.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > You know it is the registered users of a board that
> > ultimately make it sucessful or not. And the internet is
> the
> > wild, wild, west. If those in charge of a board are going
> to
> > constantly "piss off" - for no reason - those registered
> > users, I see only failure for the owners of that internet
> > site.
> >
> > As for this board, it is some of the moderators who are
> > killing the potential growth of it. But I do think KMR has
>
> > the right idea. Contact the owners so they can see how
> some
> > of their own moderators are killing the success of their
> own
> > board.
> >
> > As for KMR, it's embarassing to see someone post a
> response
> > (to my post about Jhani Kaye) when they do not know what
> > they are talking about. But rest assured KMR we do think
> you
> > are funny...as those over at Clear Channel Burbank did
> have
> > a good laugh today reading your response.
> >
>

 

[Earwig]

Re: Huh?

> >"let's bash K.M. because we hate him so much".
>
> No. No one hates you. They may justifiably think your posts
> are idiotic,or just plain wrong, but that does not mean they
> hate you.
>
> They DISAGREE with you. That's all.
>
> It's a good thing that you have asked the owners of this
> forum look at the way it is run.
>
> They should also look at the stale topics, the small amount
> of posts, and the two or three very important luminaries who
> monopolize it with their weighty missives and all-knowing
> knowledge of things knowable and people they know, who are
> worth knowing, and we should know that.
>
> Frankly, for a market this size, for a subject this
> interesting, the small amount of discussion on this
> particular board is pathetic.
>
> Maybe, respectfully, KM, you need a vacation! Step back and
> resume normal breathing. It might do you wonders.
>
> It certainly would do the same for the board.
>

VERY well put -- thank you! A lot fewer Rules would encourage a lot more participation. The longer you stay in a closed room the less you notice how stuffy the air is in here. Open some windows and let this place air out!!

 

[Al_Bundy]

This problem is only really on boards that KM moderates. Look around. There isn't this "Holier than thou" approach to moderating on most of the other boards. I can't tell you how many times I'll start to read a thread and then see people getting threatened with being banned because one person wants to have some sort of power trip.

> Quite honestly, just about everyone on this board is
> interested in the honest, open exchange of ideas. However,
> sometimes in defense of certain opinions posts are deleted
> here (and it happens on the LA boards much more than
> anywhere else). It has nothing to do with "rules". It has
> to do with agreeing with certain folks. Glenn didn't.
> Apologies.
>
>
> Oh...and addressing the topic: I think the hiring of Jhani
> Kaye (LA's longest tenured PD in history) at a heritage
> station is probably the biggest news in LA radio since the
> departure of Rick Dees from KIIS. Let's see if Maureen can
> let him operate freely.
>