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Tiger's profanity-please stop it!

vibe said:
Time out; I am far from being a religious zealot. I don't watch the religious channels since they are a tool to extract $$ from their viewers. What Tiger did was WRONG!

Was WRONG according to who? You? OK, don't watch. I'm not offended by the words God, Damn, or It, so I will continue to watch. It wasn't WRONG to me. And saying those words doesn't fall under the vast "indecency" umbrealla by any stretch of the imagination, so why should CBS apologize?
 
There are people who are offended by "heck," because it still means hell. So, should we start blasting people who say "heck" now, too? After all, they're offended, and that's wrong.

Tune out if you don't like it, and by all means let CBS know why. If enough people do it, and CBS makes a change, then the market has done what it should do--letting the people decide on their own.
 
Profanity or no, Tiger's victory earned CBS a 6.8
rating for the PGA Championship final round, and since the
trophy presentation lasted past 7:00 in the East,
it was a godsend to "60 Minutes" and "Big Brother,"
the latter of which enjoyed some of its best ratings
ever.

And you wonder why CBS in particular treats him with
kid gloves?

BTW, for anyone who thinks I'm talking out of both sides
of my mouth, I just want to reiterate: (1) athletes as
dedicated as Tiger are going to express their emotions
when they blow it, even if it is profanity: (2) I personally
don't approve of the profanity on grounds that it's not professional
and I do think Tiger is a role model, like it
or not; but (3) nobody's going to make him stop the profanity
(the PGA would probably have to put a ban on every golfer's
language), nor are many people going to stop watching him because of it.
 
It's been said that Tiger leads the PGA Tour in fines for profanity but that amount is a drop in the bucket. This last tournament was conducted by the PGA of America and I don't think they have a fine system in place.
I played today and hit a really bad shot and started to get really profance but I just held back. I think it's a reflex action and maybe Tiger just can't control his anger when he hits a shot that goes offline.
And it's usually only with his driver.
 
I love it when Tiger swears. It's a rare glimpse into humanity on the santized TV of today.

Swear up a [EDIT] storm Tiger! :D


[EDIT-profanity]
 
If Tiger had chosen to use the F word, there would have been no post from me. Using the F word is not breaking of the Big 10.
 
When Tiger Woods was first starting out in the PGA did he swear when on a televised golf match? Or was he more careful about how he came across to the public and the camera/mics, because then he needed them and a positive image. Today, Tiger Woods is golf and like the other sports superstars in other sports, possibly he believes, as many of those other super stars seem to believe based on their actions and words, that they don't have to follow the rules or the laws and that they are above such things and do expect lenency when caught.

Being good at your work doesn't require the use of such language. How many of us common folk would keep our jobs if we started using that sort of language in the workplace? If he's a professional then he should behave and speak like a professional. Having to use vulger or offensive words to express one's self simply shows the person to be possibly an uneducated person, a lazy person, or a person with no class.
 
Oh please. How many of us have a camera and mic following us every minute to catch every mutter we make? "Professional" behavior is great--I wouldn't utter a curse in a meeting or presentation, but if a camera were following every little thing I did, yes, it would catch some salty words in my own office when something goes amiss. Not loudly mind you, but we're talking here about someone who has a mic on them to pick up nearly every whisper.
(And what laws are being broken here, that Tiger and people like him think they're above?)


An earlier post mentioned "The Big 10." Consuming power to watch people at work seems like a violation of one of those rules, too. Pot, meet kettle.
 
The on course microphones are generally located on the tees, and the greens. There are plenty of locations on the course to take out one's fustrations in a private manner.
Tiger gets lots of mulligans; similar outbursts by others are labled as being out of control; his are simply labeled as letting off steam.
One thing about the networks is they tend to expose other people's dirty laundry when there is mess in their own hampers.
 
Since when does golf require sound? Turn down the volume on your TV if you don't want to hear golfers swear or common-taters babbling about how great Tiger Woods is. And what else do Jim Nantz and the others really do during those matches? They're either fawning over Tiger (if he's there) or wishing he was playing (if he isn't).

If there's any sport that doesn't require commentary, it's golf. That's why it can be followed while in a sports bar while the big-screen TV with sound is showing something else.
 
Great point Keith. But what about the dad and his 12 y.o watching golf? Why do THEY need to make an adjustment? Can't Tiger, whop without doubt is the mentally strongest professional golfer of all time, make an adjustment of his own?
 
vibe said:
Great point Keith. But what about the dad and his 12 y.o watching golf? Why do THEY need to make an adjustment? Can't Tiger, whop without doubt is the mentally strongest professional golfer of all time, make an adjustment of his own?

A 12-year-old?!?!?!?!? I can pretty much guarantee that a 12-year-old knows as many dirty words as his dad did at that age. I know I did, and I'm old enough to have a 12 year old grandson (barely ;D ). He also knows (if he was raised properly) when not to use them. I knew that, too, and also knew what would happen to me if I did use them.

The average 12-year-old hears worse language from rap music than anything ever uttered by Tiger Woods. Kids aren't naive, and they weren't 40 years ago when I was that age either.
 
Oh please. How many of us have a camera and mic following us every minute to catch every mutter we make? "Professional" behavior is great--I wouldn't utter a curse in a meeting or presentation, but if a camera were following every little thing I did, yes, it would catch some salty words in my own office when something goes amiss. Not loudly mind you, but we're talking here about someone who has a mic on them to pick up nearly every whisper.
(And what laws are being broken here, that Tiger and people like him think they're above?)


As a broadcaster, you too have a mic in your face when at work. You just can't let loose with some vulgar statement, because something goes wrong during your show. You have to wait for a spot break when you have the mic off to let loose, if you need that sort of release. In the industrial work world, that has become very politically correct in the 21st century, you could find yourself with a pink slip for using certain vulgar words, etc, that are overheard by fellow employees and they file a complaint, even if you weren't talking to them, but were muttering to yourself. In the work place you do not have the freedom to say anything you'd like. That's the reality for most people, so why should Tiger or any other sports or entertainment person have a special dispensation to bring that sort of trash talk into our living rooms? These folks are making money by us watching their various sporting events on TV. They are guests in our homes. Would they want someone saying that sort of stuff in front of their children in their living rooms? If they don't care then they are not very good parents.

The FCC decency laws might be being violated by what Tiger is muttering on the air, but I was referring to when sports figures become famous and multi millionaires that they seem to violate drinking and driving laws, drug laws, etc and then expect to get treated differently than the average citizen, because of who they are. The Hollywood crowd has the same attitude (Paris Hilton, etc)
 
MikefromDelaware said:
As a broadcaster, you too have a mic in your face when at work.
Tiger isn't a broadcaster. He's an athlete.

MikefromDelaware said:
In the industrial work world, that has become very politically correct in the 21st century, you could find yourself with a pink slip for using certain vulgar words, etc, that are overheard by fellow employees and they file a complaint, even if you weren't talking to them, but were muttering to yourself.
We're also talking here about words that aren't slang for body parts or actions. That's a distinction from "vulgar." Where does the "offensive" code stop? Is "hell" banned? Is "heck" banned because it's a substitute clearly meaning "hell?" Your "bad" words aren't my "bad" words.


MikefromDelaware said:
These folks are making money by us watching their various sporting events on TV. They are guests in our homes.
He's there at your invitation. And you can choose not to invite him in or kick him out any time. It's what an "off" switch is for.

MikefromDelaware said:
If they don't care then they are not very good parents.
Being a good parent also means controlling what your own kids watch. You let him in, you can stop that behavior.

MikefromDelaware said:
The FCC decency laws might be being violated by what Tiger is muttering on the air, but I was referring to when sports figures become famous and multi millionaires that they seem to violate drinking and driving laws, drug laws, etc and then expect to get treated differently than the average citizen, because of who they are.
None of which apply to this case, and making the jump dilutes something as trivial as "GDI" when a shot goes awry.

Regarding the comments about Tiger as a role model in other posts: Believe it or not, role models have flaws. They're human. Muttering a non-vulgar phrase that some may not choose to utter themselves doesn't change behaviors like an unwavering commitment to excellence, a solid history of charitable contributions, and being a responsible father and husband. If the "GDI" thing is such a huge issue, don't make him a role model. That's your choice, not anyone else's. Use it as a teaching moment for your children, pointing out what YOUR values are and how certain behavoirs, even from those who are otherwise admirable, is not what you want them to emulate.
 
I hear your point of view. I just don't agree with it. There used to be a Broadcasting Code (circa 1950's-60's) that kept that sort of language off the air even the athletes language. That is what I believe should be the standard. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I did control what my kids watched (their grown) and I agree that parents should use their parental authority to control what their kids watch (TV, movies) and listen to (as in music, radio, Ipods, etc). Having said that, the broadcasters must be glad that more parents don't have my standard for what is appropriate for family viewing and listening as they'd have far less of the desirable under 49 demo watching or listening to their programs including Tiger Woods and the other athletes.
 
Well, Tiger did it again yesterday, and Johnny Miller
called him on it, saying he didn't care for that kind
of language.

Those of you who follow golf may note that NBC isn't
as prone to give Tiger a free pass as CBS is; in contrast
to Jim Nantz's constant fawning, Dan Hicks and Johnny
Miller will say so if Tiger starts using profanity or simply
doesn't play up to his usual standard. Miller, in fact, will
probably tell you that he isn't there to win friends and
influence people among the golfers.

IMO, Tiger still needs to learn a little self-control, and
that he's not going to hit perfect shots every time. One
of his many strengths is his ability to recover from a bad
shot on the very next one, and he ought to know by now
that he's going to redeem himself maybe 99% of the time.
Besides, if he does win the FedEx Cup, who's going to remember
that, along the way, he made a bad shot or two?
 
So big deal, Tiger said a few words we have all heard before,,, either from our father stuck in traffic or in various movies and even TV shows.

My question for the board is,,,,

Why do we concern ourselves with words so much, yet totally ignore the violence heaped upon us from TV every day. Someone explain why saying the "F" word (thats stupid in itself), is so horrible, yet there is no problem showing someone being shot in the head.

I guess Tiger should take his aggressions out on one of the fans,, like the jerk that always shouts "Its in the hole". Would it be ok if Tiger went over to him and wrapped a 5 iron around his neck? As long as he doesnt say one of "those words" , right?
 
Tiger probably felt like wrapping a club around
someone trying to take a picture of him while
he was swinging on Friday.

But as Miller (I think it was) pointed out, Woody
Austin also has a temper and when he loses it,
the golfing world thinks he's nuts. But if Tiger
loses his, it's because he's "determined."

Personally, I'm glad Miller called Tiger on it.
 
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