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'Tight' on-air production nonexistent at some stations

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trackertalent

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The birth of the tape cartridge in the late 1950s brought about a major change in radio, first by providing a convenient way of storing, handling and playing commercials, promos and other programming elements. As the formats (especially Top 40) evolved and air talent became more creative, the use of carts increased and, subsequently, the number of cart machines in many studios also rose, to as many as six or more.

When the number of radio stations (competition) began to grow, programmers realized the importance of maintaining continuity... keeping things moving. On-air patter would be occasionally peppered with a 'drop-in' or other brief entertaining snippet from cart. Air talent mastered the art of 'talk-ups;' being able to feel the intro of a song and get some final thoughts across before the song's vocal began. Segues between programming elements had to be tight but not sloppy. The goal was keeping listeners glued to the radio and, preferably, to your station. From this wise thinking, 'd e a d a i r' became a dreaded, mortal sin. Having no sound for more than a couple of seconds - if that - struck terror into the hearts of programmers, who feared - and rightly so - that the listener would spin a dial (in those days) or press a button, and *poof*... instantly become someone else's listener instead.

And so it came to pass that the radio rule was tight on-air production and absolutely no dead air. Even allowing a song to begin fading without talking over it or firing off another element was unacceptable to programmers... and to listeners who came to expect a steady stream of entertainment.

As a side note, the more creative air talent on the progressive rock FM stations knew their music so intimately, that they would create 'sets' (usually three or more songs) that allowed them to artfully cross-fade songs; usually of the same key and tempo, but not necessarily so, creating a very ear-pleasing blend. Club DJs 'discovered' this much later.

And, boy, radio sure was great for a while.

So... what happened? Why are we today hearing songs completely fade out before the next element begins playing? Even some produced sweepers, in which background sound effects are used, are allowed to die a slow, painful death before the next song fires off. The only radio formats I can remember that allowed songs to completely fade before the next element began was Classical, and a now-deceased format known as 'Beautiful Music.' Loose programming worked for these two formats.

This snore-fest of bad on-air production is the result of laziness. Pure and simple. And I'm not talking about a jock who makes an honest mistake here and there, a console button that refuses to cooperate, or even an occasional automation anomaly. Today's automation systems are pretty reliable. The laziness comes into play when elements (songs, commercials, promos, sweepers, etc.) are loaded into the system and not properly adjusted for airplay. 'Ripping' songs from CD is the quickest way to get music into the library, but the beginnings need to be trimmed properly and the ends of songs and sweepers, etc. need to have an 'EOM' marker or 'sec tone' appropriately placed so that the next element fires at the right time and before the current element fades to oblivion. Some automation systems have an 'auto-trim' feature where these things are allegedly addressed. But auto-trim is based on an audio level threshold, which isn't always accurate. So don't trust it unless you would also trust someone with no radio experience to be a reliable board-op. A quality product requires commitment and, at the very least, that commitment is TIME. So, couldn't a few seconds of the time saved by ripping (rather than recording songs at real-time) be used to make sure the song (or sweeper, etc.) is adjusted properly?

It's bogus that a programmer can claim to want their station to perform to the best of its potential, yet their on-air sound is no more polished than a damp, mildewy dishrag. Fact is, a station sounds only as good as it does when it's automated. And that includes voice-tracked shifts. When your last live air talent each day switches to automation then turns off the lights and leaves, the station should not sound like someone turned off the lights and left. Do you not care what happens between 7 or 8 PM and 6 AM the next day? Has it ever crossed your mind that perhaps the reason your sales department can't sell those hours is because you haven't given anyone a reason to want to buy airtime during those hours? TV and newspapers have been experiencing audience erosion for years already. Are you helping fuel the exodus of radio listeners who realize they can make better programming choices with the digital technology available to them?

If this is your station, are you really proud of the way it sounds? Really? Do you feel that listeners and sponsors owe you their loyalty?

If you answered 'yes' to those questions, then your problem is far greater than laziness. You're not nearly as great as you think/say you are.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
 
You are bang on!

I obsess over this. When I hear a lose ID or spot, it is fixed immediately. I can't understand why others wouldn't do the same.
 
trackertalent said:
Has it ever crossed your mind that perhaps the reason your sales department can't sell those hours is because you haven't given anyone a reason to want to buy airtime during those hours?

No...it's because people sleep at night. Including the advertisers. An advertiser isn't going to buy time when he can't hear his spot. But the biggest most important reason why they can't sell those hours is it's an unrated daypart. That means Arbitron isn't listening. And when Arbitron isn't listening, then no one cares.

Have you actually listened to all the dead air in those great digital choices you talked about? All the dead air in XM? You think they have live people doing segues like progressive radio in the 60s? You think there are only lazy people in radio? I should introduce you to my mechanic. zzzzzz
 
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Way to go, Primitive! I knew I wasn't alone in my thinking.

TheBigA said:
No...it's because people sleep at night. Including the advertisers. An advertiser isn't going to buy time when he can't hear his spot. But the biggest most important reason why they can't sell those hours is it's an unrated daypart. That means Arbitron isn't listening. And when Arbitron isn't listening, then no one cares.

Have you actually listened to all the dead air in those great digital choices you talked about? All the dead air in XM? You think they have live people doing segues like progressive radio in the 60s? You think there are only lazy people in radio? I should introduce you to my mechanic. zzzzzz

Well, I've never listened to any satellite radio, but you've just given me a reason to not even consider it. As for the creative segues done so long ago by progressive stations, what's being called 'entertainment' today doesn't even come close.

And never mind whether nighttime/overnight hours can be sold or not. I would think that pride in one's work would mandate a little attention to detail which, as I said, takes only a little time. It's like those calling themselves house painters who, when painting interiors, don't take the time to do any masking. They then slobber so much paint over electrical, cable and phone receptacles that one can't plug anything in. Why would I hire this kind of alleged professional when I can slobber paint myself?

Just think of the all the money stations can save by hiring people right off the street to be program directors, as long as they can figure out how to get music into an automation system at a 'that's good enough' level of quality. If programmers don't care that their product has more holes than Swiss cheese, they've already begun disconnecting the station from the life support it apparently has needed. So, if no one listens at night because they're all sleeping, stations can save even more money by signing off after their PM drive shift. Then it really will be time to turn off the lights and go home.

You're not happy with your mechanic? And you're still using and paying him?
 
Have you ever considered the possibility that "tight on-air production" is simply ego-stroking recognized only by broadcast insiders?

And some of us were practicing "tight production" BEFORE there were cart machines.

But do listeners care?

For years my ears have been tuned to pick-up on conversation about radio listening. I have never, never, never-ever had a civilian (non-broadcast involved person) say anything close to: "I listen to that station because they have the tightest production."

I always admired the Canadian A.M. stations of years ago with their artistic "pregnant pauses" which were never mistaken for careless or sloppy performance. They reeked with professionalism and class.

I have heard tight production that smelled of "hyper-active 7-year-old" with ADHD.

Yes, if I were to return and be doing a show today, the production would be tight.... but nothing like radio that sounds like the traffic on a metropolitan freeway during rush-hour.
 
I can't say what happened before my earliest first-hand memories, nor can I say whether listeners care. But I can guess it is because the average listener tends to be passive that Program Directors (obviously not as many today) decided that a moment or two of dead air was all it would take before a listener would change stations. Maybe it was ego-stroking, but it was the PDs who didn't want to hear dead air on their stations and who were/are quick to call the studio hotline if they hear something (or don't hear something) they don't like. Were Rick Sklar, Bill Drake or any other PDs of that era wrong?

Don't get me wrong: sometimes the best segue between two songs (depending on the songs themselves) is one where it isn't super-tight.

On the other side of the production coin, we have today the top of the hour image/ID which, on many stations, sounds as though someone simultaneously fired off every last sound effect in their library as an imposing, in-your-face voice of doom spits the station's moniker out. If this is considered 'imaging,' are we to come away with the message that the image these stations are trying to project is that they are nothing more than arrogant, irrelevant noise-makers? Maybe that's the thinking of the hyperactive 7 year-old with ADHD you mentioned.

If a 'less-than-tight' production style is what a PD wants, that's fine with me. But one would expect consistency. My main issue here is while there are live operators at the helm (doing every segue manually), the stations generally sound pretty good. It's the automated/voice-tracked shifts that sound so completely different. And I'm not suggesting that there is some unwritten law that some PD are breaking. Inconsistent on-air sound is simply cheap because it's clear that no one wanted to spend a few minutes here and there to properly trim some files. Why any PD would allow his station to sound so different when unmanned is beyond me.
 
trackertalent said:
And never mind whether nighttime/overnight hours can be sold or not.

You brought it up. And you seem to think you have a solution for unsold ad time.

Look...there are 14,000 radio stations in this country. Some of them have tight production, some of them are sloppy. That's what makes the world go round. Not much anyone can do, and an online rant isn't going to change anything.
 
I wasn't ranting. None of my content was incendiary. I was merely noting how something that at one time was so important to radio people and appealing to some others no longer garners the same attention. We've replaced chrome with plastic. Quality has gone downhill.

My "solution for unsold airtime" is that no one's going to be successful at selling anything that isn't worth buying.

Quite honestly, you seem a teeny bit defensive. And this:

"Some of them have tight production, some of them are sloppy. That's what makes the world go round. Not much anyone can do..."

Not much anyone can do? If you're the PD of a sloppy-sounding station, isn't this your responsibility? Apathy is exactly why quality takes a dive.

What a shame.
 
trackertalent said:
I was merely noting how something that at one time was so important to radio people and appealing to some others no longer garners the same attention. We've replaced chrome with plastic. Quality has gone downhill.

As if there was no dead air 30 years ago? As if there was no automation 30 years ago? As if there was no bad production 30 years ago? You pick a handful of examples that support your point of view, and use them to say the entire world has gone to hell. I'm here to tell you that you have selective memory. The fact is there have always been radio stations that ran a loose board. Even when there was a human behind it. At the same time, there were a few stations in every market that did a more produced presentation. So if you put it in context, nothing has really changed.

trackertalent said:
Not much anyone can do? If you're the PD of a sloppy-sounding station, isn't this your responsibility? Apathy is exactly why quality takes a dive. What a shame.

I have learned that each one of us can only take care of that which belongs to us. We can't raise our neighbor's child. We can't solve all the problems of the world. Just the ones we are responsible for. My little part of the world is running fine, and I'm very proud of how it sounds. With that, I sleep well every night, and if my competition doesn't put the same amount of time in, then it's better for me.
 
At no point did I say or suggest that the issue was true of every single radio station. I'm sorry that you missed the word 'some' in the subject of this thread. You seem to read things that aren't there, which is why you come off as defensive. If you don't consider your station to be one of those I refer to, you could have simply gone about your day, but you chose instead tear into my opinion of some stations, as if you had something to defend.

I'm glad for you that your station sounds the way you want it to. But wouldn't we like to think that by bringing to the surface an issue of quality that could be easily improved at some stations, those PDs might say to themselves, "Hmm... maybe I could do a little better." Isn't that how report cards encourage school children to do better? Or is it... not much that anyone can do?
 
trackertalent said:
At no point did I say or suggest that the issue was true of every single radio station.

But then you go on to say: "I was merely noting how something that at one time was so important to radio people and appealing to some others no longer garners the same attention."

My point is that it does. It wasn't important at all stations then, and it's not now. As I said, you're picking a handful of stations that prove your point, and then extrapolate from that to show how quality for all radio has dropped. I'd say the percentages are about the same today.

trackertalent said:
But wouldn't we like to think that by bringing to the surface an issue of quality that could be easily improved at some stations, those PDs might say to themselves, "Hmm... maybe I could do a little better."

No.
 
I'll say it again: I at no time suggested that quality for "all" radio has dropped.

Maybe the percentages aren't much different today. That in no way, however, changes my opinion that songs and other programming elements that are allowed to fade all the way out make for a considerably less-than engaging air sound. Maybe that doesn't matter to those who have the radio on in the background at work. I'm not offering anyone's opinion but my own.

But as you seem to feel that discussing things for the purpose of improvement is not a good idea, and that keeping things swept under the rug is a good thing, it would seem you're a fan of 'status quo.'

What a shame. Good luck in the future.
 
trackertalent said:
But as you seem to feel that discussing things for the purpose of improvement is not a good idea, and that keeping things swept under the rug is a good thing, it would seem you're a fan of 'status quo.'

No, I'm saying posting an anonymous comment on an online message board will not change the world.

And you don't seem to want a discussion. Anything I say is either "defensive" or a "fan of the status quo." That attitude doesn't promote discussion.
 
You're right.

And that's all you ever really wanted to be.

Good luck in the future.
 
Whilst( and yes I used the term whilst) reading this thread it brings to mind that as a production technician and hope to someday be a programmer. It is and has always been my main prerogative to maintain the BEST possible sound possible, slow fades without sec/eom tones are just unacceptable in MY world. As a programmer I would think that you (and I use that term as a generalization) would want your station to sound the best it can possibly sound. The only time I have ever heard dead air or loose segues is in a classical format.

In my opinion, there should never ever be dead air in a music format, that being said with some automation software programs (we use AudioVault), you can virtually eliminate any loose fades because you have the ability to move the tracks and tighten them to your liking. All of our imaging and production and every single song that is in our library has been painstakingly listened to and tweaked to put the sec/eom tone at precisely that correct place. Granted this is in MY world and should you as a programmer decide that it isn't just worth it or you don't have the staff or the time, then perhaps you should be shilling burgers at MickyD's, but this is MY opinion, radio is my passion and my livelihood, I live, eat and breathe it and have for the last 22 years.

Maybe the average joe schmoe listener doesn't care about how loose the songs are, but at least in MY world I know that my station sounds the best it can possibly can.
Just my .02
Thanks for letting me rant
Larson
 
What I hear in this discussion is a feeling by some of you that the difference between good radio and bad radio boils down to nothing more that tight production vs. loose production.

Ahem.... what about CONTENT?

War story from another industry. Two of the most glorious years of my life was an assignment to a corporate "Swat Team" designed to bring Quality to our business process. I got a lot of training on how Toyota has changed the manufacturing world with innovative methodology.

One of our Consulting Divisions was hung up on ISO9000 documentation as the key to quality. The number three man in the whole company (who was our "Chamption" flew into town to meet with the renegade consulting division for a showdown on (as we saw it) Blind allegiance to documentation vs. "Total Quality Management". After sitting through an hour long presentation on the value of ISO9000 Documentation, silence engulfed the room. All eyes turned to "The Big Man". Had they proven their point.

I will use the word crap. For an accurate reading the the response, substitute the more graphic and pointed word.

"If you have CRAP for procedure, and you document it, you end up with Documented Crap."

Long pause. That was his response to an hour long presentation.

He then repeated the one sentence response and left the room.

So what has this to do with our discussion? If you have CRAP for content in your programming, and you have tight production, you end up with Tightly Produced Crap. If you have sloppy production, you end up with Loose Crap.

If when you talk you are not saying something I find interesting to hear, I don't care if the production is tight or loose, I am out of there.

If you have the verbiage, the music, the news or whatever that captures me, I am your loyal listener whether you deliver it tight or loose. Tight or loose production ranks about two steps above a discussion whether the station staff should always wear dress shoes, or can they wear sneakers and flip-flops.

I suspect it is a fair thing to say that most people who have the talent to create content that listeners like have a strong affection for crisp or tight production and you dilute their enthusiasm if their genius material gets delivered with loose productions. Thus, the staff cares about tight production.

I suspect, except for the listeners who used to volunteer at their high school or college station,... I suspect the listeners don't give a CRAP about tight production. (Again, substitute the word of your choice.)
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
What I hear in this discussion is a feeling by some of you that the difference between good radio and bad radio boils down to nothing more that tight production vs. loose production.

Ahem.... what about CONTENT?

Reminds me of a scene in the movie "The Stunt Man:" All the teckies on the movie set wore t-shirts that said "To hell with dialogue, let's blow something up." Some folks just prefer style over substance.
 
TheBigA said:
Reminds me of a scene in the movie "The Stunt Man:" All the teckies on the movie set wore t-shirts that said "To hell with dialogue, let's blow something up." Some folks just prefer style over substance.

That goes along with the conversation that sometimes goes on in the "PRODUCTION" forum. Voice guys with ongoing discussion about how to get a "ballsy" sound from their studio equipment.

During my broadcasting years, and in all the years I have in social settings explained what I did when in broadcasting... in all those years I have NEVER had a listener comment on the "ballsy" sound versus the "non-ballsy' sound of on-air voices. Apparently the ex-jocks who now work at agencies as talent buyers see that as a desirable trait and expect it in their commercials.... even if it means the words of the commercial are not understandable by people in the audience with any form of hearing limitations.

Let's see if we can just blow out some sub-woofers with ballsy voices.
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
I have NEVER had a listener comment on the "ballsy" sound versus the "non-ballsy' sound of on-air voices.

Yeah I was thinking that I wouldn't want to be among the "non-ballsy" guys. Kind of radio eunuchs, if you know what I mean.

The classic guy I remember was Ken Nordine. He did the Levis commercials at one time, and hosted an NPR show about words. But it seemed like having a deep voice was once a requirement for radio, and it hasn't been for a while.
 
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