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Of the four malls in my area there are only two left. Two shut because the mall idiots let the countywide bus service install "transfer hubs" which brought in nothing but troublemakers and gangs whose only reason to be there was cause havoc. The one remaining in my county kicked the Metro bus transfer off the mall property and that helped a bit but since it's in a rather affluent suburb, they don't put up with any crap and if there's even a hint of trouble the cops are there in a heartbeat. They even put "mall rules" in place and if you're under 18 you don't get in unless a responsible adult is with them and I have seen them eject underage kids from coming in. The other one next county over decided to just start closing early and if you even looked at someone cross-eyed you get booted and banned.
The only drawback to this is that they alienate future shoppers and they'll remember how they were treated and won't shop there when they finally "grow up" or can't when they get locked up.
 
Yabadabado1 said:
The only drawback to this is that they alienate future shoppers and they'll remember how they were treated and won't shop there when they finally "grow up" or can't when they get locked up.
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If they don't want to be treated like that, they can show some responsibility while they are growing up.

I, for one, will not trade off the enforcement of reasonable behavior against some unknown premise that those being unreasonable will change that attitude down the road. If anything, I believe the enforcement makes that change more likely.
 
Yabadabado1 said:
Of the four malls in my area there are only two left. Two shut because the mall idiots let the countywide bus service install "transfer hubs" which brought in nothing but troublemakers and gangs whose only reason to be there was cause havoc. The one remaining in my county kicked the Metro bus transfer off the mall property and that helped a bit but since it's in a rather affluent suburb, they don't put up with any crap and if there's even a hint of trouble the cops are there in a heartbeat.
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I wanted to address this separately. In my hometown of Ventura, California, there was a merger in the mid-1970s of the two municipal bus systems (Ventura, which also provided service to the city of Ojai, and Oxnard, which similarly also served Port Hueneme) into a single joint services agency originally named South Coast Area Transit. Ventura had already, a couple of years earlier, reconfigured and expanded the old Citizens' Transit three route system that had been around since at least the 1950s into six new routes, using what was then Buenaventura Shopping Center as the hub. It worked fine with no initial problems, but eventually the same kind of issues crept in and by the time the mall was renamed Pacific View Mall in 2001 most of the stores at the north end of the property (which were not connected to the rest of the mall) were vacant, and SCAT became Gold Coast Transit six years later.

The old transit hub was essentially designated stops along one side of a driveway from the nearby street, directly east of the mall entrance. And Pacific View Mall wanted to build a multi-level parking structure which was to take out the second driveway that the buses used to get onto the mall property (JCPenney got a new store where that old parking area/transit hub was, and Target now occupies JCP's old store).

Anyway, to accommodate all that they took the parking adjacent to the closed stores, which was conveniently alongside one of Ventura's few arterial streets, Telegraph Rd., and built a transit center which remains in use today. And gradually, those empty stores to the south of it have been reoccupied: There's a Ross Dress For Less where the Thrifty Drug Store was, the old Vons supermarket is a Trader Joe's, and Barker Bros. Furniture has a 24-Hour Fitness gym occupying it now.

And the relocation of the transit actually worked better than the old hub, because there are now designated bays for every route that stops there and the only drawback is a longish walk to the mall proper. Maybe that's why they have so few problems with juvenile behavior.

(Postscript: That hub works so well that the City of Ventura approved initial planning for a second hub downtown which would also interface with Amtrak and commuter Metrolink rail service. In 2003.)
 
For better or worse the "solution" might be facial recognition.

ShopRite supermarkets (and probably others) are using it with notices posted in the stores.

A shopping mall could require registration and then flag anyone who isn't registered.
 
K.M. Richards said:
I wanted to address this separately. In my hometown of Ventura, California, there was a merger in the mid-1970s of the two municipal bus systems (Ventura, which also provided service to the city of Ojai, and Oxnard, which similarly also served Port Hueneme) into a single joint services agency originally named South Coast Area Transit. Ventura had already, a couple of years earlier, reconfigured and expanded the old Citizens' Transit three route system that had been around since at least the 1950s into six new routes, using what was then Buenaventura Shopping Center as the hub. It worked fine with no initial problems, but eventually the same kind of issues crept in and by the time the mall was renamed Pacific View Mall in 2001 most of the stores at the north end of the property (which were not connected to the rest of the mall) were vacant, and SCAT became Gold Coast Transit six years later.

The old transit hub was essentially designated stops along one side of a driveway from the nearby street, directly east of the mall entrance. And Pacific View Mall wanted to build a multi-level parking structure which was to take out the second driveway that the buses used to get onto the mall property (JCPenney got a new store where that old parking area/transit hub was, and Target now occupies JCP's old store).

Anyway, to accommodate all that they took the parking adjacent to the closed stores, which was conveniently alongside one of Ventura's few arterial streets, Telegraph Rd., and built a transit center which remains in use today. And gradually, those empty stores to the south of it have been reoccupied: There's a Ross Dress For Less where the Thrifty Drug Store was, the old Vons supermarket is a Trader Joe's, and Barker Bros. Furniture has a 24-Hour Fitness gym occupying it now.

And the relocation of the transit actually worked better than the old hub, because there are now designated bays for every route that stops there and the only drawback is a longish walk to the mall proper. Maybe that's why they have so few problems with juvenile behavior.

(Postscript: That hub works so well that the City of Ventura approved initial planning for a second hub downtown which would also interface with Amtrak and commuter Metrolink rail service. In 2003.)
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They can't do that with the malls that closed. One was torn down and turned into a city-sized Amazon warehouse and the other was turned into a business/industrial park.....the area around that one is an absolute hell hole with abandoned derelict stores and roads that looked like they were used for target practice by the Air Force.
 
K.M. Richards said:
If they don't want to be treated like that, they can show some responsibility while they are growing up.

I, for one, will not trade off the enforcement of reasonable behavior against some unknown premise that those being unreasonable will change that attitude down the road. If anything, I believe the enforcement makes that change more likely.
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Oh, hell no, it won't change. In between radio jobs worked for a PD, the kids we arrested in the 80s/90s are just as bad as adults as they were back then. No longer work there but I still see their names in the police logs of the papers today and they're in their late 40s/50s and close to 60 now. And the majority of their parents...."You're picking on my kid! He's a good boy/girl, they'd never do anything like that!" Before the days of dash cams, caught a group of kids smashing windows. Parents of most were steamed and the kids knew they were in for a beat down. One of them "You're mistaken, you never saw my kid breaking windows. You're wrong, see you in court". The S.O.B. backed his kid all the way fought all the charges and said all the kids he was with that testified against him were lying. He lost and then everybody was "persecuting him and his family".
 
kevtronics said:
A lot of people scroll through TikTok with the sound turned off, just reading the auto-generated (and often incorrect) captions. Even on my YouTube channel, about 25% of viewers watch my videos with the captions enabled, and thus are also most likely watching silently.

So you might as well have "Silent Movie Radio... nothing but organ music!"
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I watch YouTube and TV shows with subtitles/captions on, even though I also have the sound on. Sometimes it's an accent/dialect thing, sometimes it's the modern TV trend of mumbling actors, but I just find it easier to follow what's going on.

I am not the only one - in 2021 a survey found that 80% of 18-25 year olds watch with the subtitles, and even in my age group (36-45) it's over half:

www.bbc.co.uk

Young viewers prefer TV subtitles, research suggests

Youngsters almost four times more likely than older viewers to watch subtitled TV, research suggests.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
Miss Tuned said:
I watch YouTube and TV shows with subtitles/captions on, even though I also have the sound on. Sometimes it's an accent/dialect thing, sometimes it's the modern TV trend of mumbling actors, but I just find it easier to follow what's going on.

I am not the only one - in 2021 a survey found that 80% of 18-25 year olds watch with the subtitles, and even in my age group (36-45) it's over half:

www.bbc.co.uk

Young viewers prefer TV subtitles, research suggests

Youngsters almost four times more likely than older viewers to watch subtitled TV, research suggests.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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I also watch Youtube and tv shows with captions on. For me it's more of a habit, since I grew up with someone who is hard of hearing.
 
Albums are no longer constrained to physical releases. IIRC a Country artist recently released an "album" with something like 50 tracks on it, about a dozen of which ended up on the Country streaming chart simultaneously. The old concept of methodically timing and spacing out album and single releases to not have them eat into each other's sales and airplay is dead.
 


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