TikTok Has Changed Music

[anotherguyTN]

I see a lot of music on YT. Full albums, many of which have been on YT for 5-10 years. Not posted by the record company. Oftentimes with commercials included. It leads me to think there is more that goes on with the payment system than just Google paying artists royalties. There are commercials involved, too. So Google is monetizing much of the content, which probably helps pay for the royalties.

Yes, that's exactly what happens.

Suppose "Mr. Carlson's Lab" uploads a video with a segment of a song that is copyrighted. He repairs antique radios, so not improbable that 20 or 30 seconds of music would make it on there.
YouTube would essentially redirect the ad money Paul Carlson would receive to the record label.

YouTube may also impose a "copyright strike" if the studio submits a complaint, and after three such strikes a channel is deleted.

It just seems like how this is handled is inconsistent. Full songs are allowed, but then some channels get strikes against them just because they ran a few seconds of a song or video (sometimes by accident). I know parts of it is music or film industry greed, but Google is guilty as well.

 

[TheBigA]

But they could allow more than seven seconds.

I think 7 seconds is fair use and they don't have to pay for that.

I know parts of it is music or film industry greed, but Google is guilty as well.

Are you using free Google or the paid service?

 

[PTBoardOp94]

It just seems like how this is handled is inconsistent. Full songs are allowed, but then some channels get strikes against them just because they ran a few seconds of a song or video (sometimes by accident). I know parts of it is music or film industry greed, but Google is guilty as well.

The monetization switch should be consistent because it is automated. But you would have no way to know unless you can see the payouts the video is receiving.
The copyright strike system is sort of manual: Someone representing The Beatles would have to file a takedown request with YouTube if someone uploaded a copy of "Sgt. Peppers", and they might not bother if the royalties are being paid.

Are you using free Google or the paid service?

Irrelevant. There is no "paid service" that affects this behavior, either for viewers or creators.

 

[TheBigA]

Irrelevant. There is no "paid service" that affects this behavior, either for viewers or creators.

My point is that if you're using someone else's content (music) on your site, and you don't pay YouTube for the use of that content, someone has to pay. They have every right to limit your use of someone else's content. Those rules are spelled out clearly in the TOS.

I hear people say all the time that they bring attention to the music. That's irrelevant. That doesn't absolve you from paying to use music,

 

[gr8oldies]

It just seems like how this is handled is inconsistent. Full songs are allowed, but then some channels get strikes against them just because they ran a few seconds of a song or video (sometimes by accident). I know parts of it is music or film industry greed, but Google is guilty as well.

I've covered parades on Facebook and the second a float comes by with music. my feed got cut off. I covered a celebrity event and had to stand next to the DJ and there was no way to avoid the music. Me and all of the admins had to practically swear on Mark Zuckerberg's mother's grave that we would never violate copyright again.

 

[gr8oldies]

My point is that if you're using someone else's content (music) on your site, and you don't pay YouTube for the use of that content, someone has to pay. They have every right to limit your use of someone else's content. Those rules are spelled out clearly in the TOS.

I hear people say all the time that they bring attention to the music. That's irrelevant. That doesn't absolve you from paying to use music,

I get a kick out of the "No copyright infringement intended" statements. Oh, that means you didn't infringe?

 

[CTListener]

I've covered parades on Facebook and the second a float comes by with music. my feed got cut off. I covered a celebrity event and had to stand next to the DJ and there was no way to avoid the music. Me and all of the admins had to practically swear on Mark Zuckerberg's mother's grave that we would never violate copyright again.

There are a couple of long-haul truckers who live-stream on YouTube and both will not play the radio while driving and always mute the in-cab mic if music is playing at the fuel pumps, either piped in by the owners of the truck stop or drifting over from a nearby vehicle's audio system. Apparently, Google/YouTube is quick to pounce on violators.

 

[vchimpanzee]

I've covered parades on Facebook and the second a float comes by with music. my feed got cut off. I covered a celebrity event and had to stand next to the DJ and there was no way to avoid the music. Me and all of the admins had to practically swear on Mark Zuckerberg's mother's grave that we would never violate copyright again.

My church is still having services in the parking lot. I don't know what the music situation will be when we go back inside, but for the past two years it has been recordings that range from choirs with a pipe organ to Southern gospel to CCM.

The service gets shown on YouTube, starting with a welcome from the pastor, and the announcements, the scripture readings and the sermon. No music.

 

[anotherguyTN]

My church is still having services in the parking lot. I don't know what the music situation will be when we go back inside, but for the past two years it has been recordings that range from choirs with a pipe organ to Southern gospel to CCM.

The service gets shown on YouTube, starting with a welcome from the pastor, and the announcements, the scripture readings and the sermon. No music.

It sounds like they're taking precautions to not get a strike against them at the opening, but if they have a license with CCLI most of the music should be OK.

 

[BamaTX]

Two things I'm amazed by is how people use TikTok to interact with music, and secondly how dirty the music is. A lot of what I hear on TikTok would never get airplay on the radio.

Which is a good thing for TikTok. There is a demand for that type of music/language and they're filling the void.

There was a song in country music last year called Fancy Like. The artist put a dance version of the song on TikTok. The song went to #1 in a few months, and has been nominated for a bunch of awards.

It also helped that it was featured last year on a certain restaurant's ad campaign.

Having said that, many songs and bands/artists that have been ignored by radio have gained popularity through such sites. Even Regional Mexican acts have had certain songs blow up regionally and nationally.

Having said that, it's likely that TikTok may become more important than Spotify, and that Spotify may be looking for ways to make it's platform more interactive.

I'm not sure about this. TikTok and Spotify are two different type of businesses. TikTok is strictly a social video platform (a knockoff of the defunct Vine). You don't hear full length songs on there, just tibdits. Spotify is an audio (and video in some instances) streaming service.

And keep in mind that TikTok is owned by a Chinese company. That may cause problems moving forward.

If there is one thing we can all agree with, it is that the ownership is problematic. Everyone should have been onboard with Trump when he called for the service to either be banned or sold. I'm not sure why it didn't happen, but it should have been a bipartisan no-brainer move.

 

[TheBigA]

I'm not sure about this. TikTok and Spotify are two different type of businesses.

I agree that they're two different types of business, and I'll also say neither of them are similar to broadcast radio. What interests me about TikTok is how interactive it is. I don't see the same passion with Spotify. Users treat Spotify as though it's an appliance.

I'm not sure why it didn't happen, but it should have been a bipartisan no-brainer move.

It didn't happen because the US version is its own company, registered in the US. TikTok sued Trump, and a court ruled against him. The suit was continued into the Biden administration, and it was dismissed in 2021. The Department of Commerce is investigating the charge that TikTok is a threat to security.

Biden revokes and replaces Trump orders banning TikTok and WeChat

The apps still face further review.

www.theverge.com

 

[gr8oldies]

I hope she wins! I always find it interesting to see videos of these folks and put a "face to the voice". The woman who voiced the original Siri and also did those "The current local time, is...." announcements in many airports appeared on a bunch of talk shows once her voice became famous. When they first introduced her on various talk programs, she usually talked in Siri's somewhat robotic cadence so viewers would have no doubt it was her, then settled into her normal speaking voice for the remainder of the interview. In that woman's case (Susan Bennett) she recorded everything for Siri back in 2005, years before Siri was introduced. She reportedly voiced anything and everything for about a month solid. It was only after Siri was launched and friends and family told her it was her voice Apple was using that she found out. Here's a 2 1/2 minute video from her appearance on CNN:

TikTok and Bev Standing settled out of court.....no terms given

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

TikTok has changed how people use music...and therefore how people use radio:

TikTok has changed music — and the industry is hustling to catch up

TikTok has flipped the script on the music industry, and everyone from artists to analysts and even marketing bosses at the top labels are trying to catch up.

www.npr.org

Two things I'm amazed by is how people use TikTok to interact with music, and secondly how dirty the music is. A lot of what I hear on TikTok would never get airplay on the radio.

There was a song in country music last year called Fancy Like. The artist put a dance version of the song on TikTok. The song went to #1 in a few months, and has been nominated for a bunch of awards.

Having said that, it's likely that TikTok may become more important than Spotify, and that Spotify may be looking for ways to make it's platform more interactive.

And keep in mind that TikTok is owned by a Chinese company. That may cause problems moving forward.

Yes also Tik Tok has brought up something that has not been trending on Youtube for some time the trendy flash mob. I remember some of the things that we now see on Tik Tok used to trend in other places back in the late 2000's. Most likely its Tik Tok going after the GenZ demo as seen here.

 

[gr8oldies]

Yes also Tik Tok has brought up something that has not been trending on Youtube for some time the trendy flash mob. I remember some of the things that we now see on Tik Tok used to trend in other places back in the late 2000's. Most likely its Tik Tok going after the GenZ demo as seen here.

I saw a local TV commercial tonight for a car dealer using one of the popular Tik-Tok background sounds. I'm thinking "did you or your agency clear that?"