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Tim Dukes Out in Chicago

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I would have to agree with the other real neil in saying that Tim Dukes was one of the reasons along with the FCC that had the Regular Guys canned in the first place. I hope in Chicago he gets the boot big time!<P ID="signature">______________
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According to All Access, Tim Dukes is out at the Loop in Chicago.
 
Though we can't quote the article, the Emmis Radio VP claims that Tim Dukes is a "wonderful programmer." I know it's cold in Chicago but he really needs to wear a couple of layers and stop standing on the "L" platform outside the Merchandise Mart waiting for trains that aren't coming.
 
What does this have to do with Atlanta radio? Or is it that you just like kicking a man when he's down?
 
Salesweasel you hit it on the head. Probably somebody Dukes F'd over (at least in there mind). Take pleasure in others misery
 
SalesWeasel said:
What does this have to do with Atlanta radio? Or is it that you just like kicking a man when he's down?
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Dukes used to be PD at 96Rock, I believe.
 
RandomGuy6 said:
According to All Access, Tim Dukes is out at the Loop in Chicago.
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according to the released statement:

and we want to maximize our efforts as we prepare for PPM which will be here 11 months from now. We need a programmer that will help us put a strategic plan together and lead us into the new world of PPM. We are going to begin running these stations now, as if PPM was already here.

So, is the implication that Dukes couldnt program 'to the PPM', but was wonderful dealing with the Arby's????
 
evnlee said:
RandomGuy6 said:
According to All Access, Tim Dukes is out at the Loop in Chicago.
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according to the released statement:

and we want to maximize our efforts as we prepare for PPM which will be here 11 months from now. We need a programmer that will help us put a strategic plan together and lead us into the new world of PPM. We are going to begin running these stations now, as if PPM was already here.

So, is the implication that Dukes couldnt program 'to the PPM', but was wonderful dealing with the Arby's????
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I meant PPM vs 'Diaries'. What would a PD do differently if PPM's enter the market?
 
Not only that, but the release infers the station wants to hire someone with more experience in dealing with PPM's. Okay, who's that gonna be? It's brand new technology. NOBODY has experience with them yet except for a couple of markets that have had them less than a year.
 
It's a corporate station, so they HAVE to do the job search to satisfy the EEO.

I bet they already know who will step in and take over.
 
Mr. Bill said:
It's a corporate station, so they HAVE to do the job search to satisfy the EEO.

I bet they already know who will step in and take over.
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Tim is one of the good guys in radio. Too good probably. His buddy Marc Chase sold him down the river here in Atlanta to take the fall for the first Regular Guys fiasco and then never helped him find a gig.

Tim never took many chances though and I think that's what got him in the end. You HAVE to be able to change with the times. Too many radio programmers are using the playbook from 20 yrs ago and that just won't get it done these days.
 
Insideradio said:
Mr. Bill said:
It's a corporate station, so they HAVE to do the job search to satisfy the EEO.

I bet they already know who will step in and take over.
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Tim is one of the good guys in radio. Too good probably. His buddy Marc Chase sold him down the river here in Atlanta to take the fall for the first Regular Guys fiasco and then never helped him find a gig.

Tim never took many chances though and I think that's what got him in the end. You HAVE to be able to change with the times. Too many radio programmers are using the playbook from 20 yrs ago and that just won't get it done these days.
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Good call. Tim is a class act all the way. He's on top of everything (he has a mind like Rainman) and if it weren't for numbnuts like Chase he'd have done well in Atlanta. In fact, he did do well, but for the mental midgets Hogan and Alene Grevey.
 
Tim IS Rainman. A totally great guy. A lot of people blame him for decisions and what most people just don't understand is that folks like Chase and those on up the food chain in the borg make the calls. OM's are middle managers, PD's are less than that. Tim did his job, did it well.

Besides, look how the stations have done since he left, all of them...every single one, in the toilet.
 
I'll second, even third that.

I've seen Tim in action. Total class act, exceptionally intelligent and very fair with his staff.
 
By the way, I'd like to take a stab at answering the earlier PPM question.

When programming for the PPM, you're programming, to a degree, by the week. Instantaneous changes can be gauged.

At the same time, hammering home your station name to boost unaided recall are far less important.

Highly targeted Arbitron "tricks"...telemarketing, direct mail pieces become less desirable to goose ratings, er, in a sense, anyway.

I'm here to say that in a PPM world, stations will be programmed for the "ear" and less for trying to boost unaided recall of the name of your station.

Why and how two programmers in Chicago are unable to get them 'there' is beyond me, but um, OKAY.

IMHO, those two Chicago properties are a shadow of their former selves, mostly due to being two rock stations splitting a narrow pie in an increasingly ethnic marketplace. And, hey mangement had to 'make it look like we're taking action' combined with a bunch of 'BS' like the onset of the PPM to excuse two PD's from their contracts.

One of those two stations will not be 'in format' a year from now, maybe less.
 
Sgeirk said:
By the way, I'd like to take a stab at answering the earlier PPM question.

When programming for the PPM, you're programming, to a degree, by the week. Instantaneous changes can be gauged.

At the same time, hammering home your station name to boost unaided recall are far less important.

Highly targeted Arbitron "tricks"...telemarketing, direct mail pieces become less desirable to goose ratings, er, in a sense, anyway.

I'm here to say that in a PPM world, stations will be programmed for the "ear" and less for trying to boost unaided recall of the name of your station.

Why and how two programmers in Chicago are unable to get them 'there' is beyond me, but um, OKAY.

IMHO, those two Chicago properties are a shadow of their former selves, mostly due to being two rock stations splitting a narrow pie in an increasingly ethnic marketplace. And, hey mangement had to 'make it look like we're taking action' combined with a bunch of 'BS' like the onset of the PPM to excuse two PD's from their contracts.

One of those two stations will not be 'in format' a year from now, maybe less.
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Good... Let's hope the PPM's get here sooner than later. Arbitron has been outdated for years. At least the ratings for PPM's represent actual listening habits. So maybe programers will take more chances to keep listeners longer!
 
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